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DC


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jun 2010, 01:07    Post subject:  

@Jamesbond

more Universal installer tests:

tried rc2, beta3, beta2, previously installed beta2, beta3 frugal installs, beta3 full install. All 64 bit puppies affected.

tried lucid201, qurky1.2 and stardust13. All 32 bit puppies ok

ran fsck on all linux partitions, some errors but all fixed. All above puppies boot Ok

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jun 2010, 22:21    Post subject:  

Thanks DC for testing. The puppyinstaller script in FD64 is old. I never used it - I always configure grub4dos manually and then just copy over the files.
I'll get one from woof and see if it works - if it does, I'll upload it here (or, if you have woof, you can get it yourself from the rootfs-skeleton/usr/sbin).

EDIT: puppyinstaller from woof works, it's attached here. I don't see any differences between this and the old one though - I wiped out my test disk, created 16 partitions out of order (just like yours), and puppyinstaller saw them all. What gives?

EDIT: puppyinstaller from woof only works for frugall install, it DOES NOT work for full install - Fatdog64 requires heavy modification for that. Thus I'm removing attachment.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 00:19    Post subject:  

. Bravo!! , with rc3 ,less problem with 4 Gb ram on intel gm965 /gma x3100 freezing up , was it the kernel? anyhow I was able to do a frugal install ,finally....got lot of weird behaviour ,probably because it look like my lappy need "nolapic" boot argument .
Fastest puppy i've tested yet!!! Did not tested any pets . I've found one thing wrong for now: enable touchpad double tap does not work .

Very nice work!!!
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 08:56    Post subject:  

Probably. Thanks to kirk, rc3 is running the latest bleeding edge kernel - 2.6.34, with latest alsa as well. If yours is a very new laptop, well, expect a few iteration of kernels first before it is fully supported Wink
Anyway, how did you enable the double tap? Can you please open a terminal and copy the output of
Code:
synclient -l
(that's a "minus sign" followed by a small letter "L").
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 14:34    Post subject:  

Quote:
If yours is a very new laptop, well, expect a few iteration of kernels first before it is fully supported


My wife's laptop has a new Synaptics Alps touch pad that's not supported by the kernel yet. Some folks have hacked alps.c in the kernel so that it recognizes the touch pad, but it still doesn't work.



I compiled XaraLX and uploaded a pet package.

EDIT: It also needs wxwidgets, I'll make a pet package for that.

EDIT2: Uploaded wxwidgets pet packages and re-uploaded XaraXL with wxwidgets listed as a dependency.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 19:44    Post subject:  

Just wanted to applaud you guys for the nice work you've done.

Had some time to burn over the weekend so I started my Puppy 5.0.1 CD (on my Compaq V6133CL laptop) downloaded FatDog64 and burned a FD64 cd.

Had FD64 running in no time (so did Puppy 5.0.1 obviously).

The only crash I experienced with FD64 was with the Flash plugin (FireFox); every thing else I tested was fine.

Wireless connection (broadcom chipset) worked nicely.
Was even able to print to a wifi printer - cool.

This is the fastest 64-bit operating system I ran so far.

Keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 05:02    Post subject:  

@Jamesbond - Universal installer tests:

tried new puppyinstaller.gz with beta2 frugal, beta3 frugal and live CD - all working

What might have caused it but not why

I also manually change my grub boot files which are installed on my data partition.
very rarely delete partitions just format or wipe and use again.

I had two different sized partitions, sda6 and sda11
and wanted to install a new puppy on the bigger of the two - sda11
but wanted to keep the puppy from sda11. So I swapped them round.
By wiping sda6 and coping the files from sda11.

Then manually changing my grub menu. both partitions boot ok.
sda11 was maybe changed to ext4 from ext3
sda6 might have been changed from ext2 to ext3 not sure though

New problem
rc3 Full install fails with "kernal panic - not syncing: no init found" ?

rc3 frugal install works fine

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 07:46    Post subject:  



AFGS has created this professional Fatdog Logo
Enclosed SVG file for enhancement / other needs

Good work that Puppy
added logo here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Fatdog64

Woof Woof

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 21:13    Post subject:  

Thanks for that! I'll use it on the home page.
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun 2010, 21:35    Post subject:
Subject description: weird weird intel gm965....
 

Hey Mr Bond... As I never found how to copy from rxvt(paste yes...) and I am too ...lazy... to type every lines of synclient parameter settings, a precise line( or more....) could interest the spy in you??? It was Enable by Setup-mouse/keyb. wizard .

For my lappy running intel gm965 , freezing came back...now i got to boot with "nomodeset" or "i915.modeset=0" , disabling kms at startup , adding ''intel_iommu=on" helped performance , well..seems to... did not harm anything ... Those intel chipsets i915..i965 plus other
and kms are..hmmm.. a work in progress ... Even if I red a lot about the subjet , I confess , it's out of my technical knowledge ,but it bypass the problem for now..

One more found , maybe intel vs kernels based prob. again (because it occur in other puppy's) but "Youtubing" video freeze and sound goes in endless looping until I touch or just pass a finger very near the touchpad ,then it play fine but only a couple of second,then freez/loop again.. could by flash or laptop related too .


Firefox team really rock!!! like it!!! so do Puppy dev team!!!

You all deserve some nice big bones...

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun 2010, 21:40    Post subject:  

Funny logo.. prefer that doggy to my local politician..one more vote for the logo.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 01:02    Post subject:  

Yesterday I spent most of the day very successfully. in Fatdog64
using Openshot (requires the python pet too right?)

Openshot would lock up about every 30 mins.

This happened in the Ubuntu version too and is a fault of Openshot
- not of Fatdog. I have a feeling that Kino would be more reliable but I like Openshot . . .
I overcame this Openshot problem by saving my project and
restarting the recent project after restarting x . . .

However . . . the green button for sound would go to mute
either when I restarted x or just for no reason I am aware of.
Something that did not happen with Ubuntu
and I am unaware of this happening in other Puppys. Confused

I am back in a pristine FD64 because
it is fast enough to make a difference
I can feel Very Happy

Openbox (the window manager) is as identical to JWM
as to make no difference. More than happy
to not need JWM - though Fatdog does have it
with much improved code. Smile

Should you be running Fatdog
if you have a 64bit setup?

The answer is yes. Cool
If you have a spare 64bit rig
the answer is yes x 2.
If you are thinking of buying a 64 bit rig
(how much fun can one Puppy have . . .)
then go for it.

You will be using cutting edge Firefox.

Puppy will be even faster - you bought 64bit
partly for the speed right?
Fatdog = Fitdog

Kirk and Jamesbond deserve
your feedback and support.

What can we expect from the future?
Fatdog64 slim?
Fatdog64 gets the puppeee poodle makeover?
More?
We are setting the future, now. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 02:12    Post subject:  

DC wrote:

New problem
rc3 Full install fails with "kernal panic - not syncing: no init found" ?

DC

I made a mistake, sorry Embarassed Don't use the new puppyinstaller.gz - it will not work for full-install Shocked

The reason is, the full-install installation code contains very specific instruction on which files to copy and how to boot puppy. It won't work for Fatdog64 - because the list of files are different. The installer that comes with Fatdog64 has been heavily updated by kirk to do know how to do this. Using the plain-vanilla copy from woof won't work. So I guess I'll have to give up on this - too much infrastructure code there for me to swallow Sad (the diff between the woof version and Fatdog64 version are close to 500 lines Shocked )

Revolvere, sorry for the incomplete instruction. Please open terminal and do this. After you do this, you will find a file in /root/spot which you can upload to the forum.
Code:
synclient -l | gzip -9 > /root/spot/synclient.gz

Yeah the KMS is a work in progress ... so please bear with it, unfortunately.

Lob, yes openshot requires python pet. The openshot build (including the one in Ubuntu) calls for the latest bleeding edge version of all the tools used. I had to update everything - ffmpeg, libx264, etc etc. Living on the bleeding edge, however, has its drawbacks - like the problem you face, unfortunately. If you pull out the code from the repository at the wrong time, you may get a bad copy Sad I'll say let the code evolve a bit, and I'll build another pet a while later.

Restart X should be just that, though - restart. It shouldn't mute your sound. Does the speaker icon disappear? Or is it still there, just that sound is changed to mute?

BTW - how's the native 64bit version of XaraLX from kirk compare to the 32-bit sfs you are using? Any performance gains?

PS: I like the the dog logo as well Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 08:29    Post subject:  

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BTW - how's the native 64bit version of XaraLX from kirk compare to the 32-bit sfs you are using? Any performance gains?


XaraLX seems as fast as it always is
It is very highly optimized anyway
so everything has always been instant.
So I can not say it is any different.
Just so pleased to be able to use in 64 Puppy mode
- just as others are pleased to run Puppy on elderly clunkers

At the moment I am trying to output from
Openshot - this is one area that is not perfect
(Openshot are aware of this)
http://www.openshotusers.com/help/en/ar01s22.html
My latest epic is being thwarted
by the special effects department . . .

The FD64 download direct to hard disk rather than Puppy ram file (or whatever it is called) is a useful innovation

Back to trying another codec to output to . . . Smile

Another thing - I do not know if there is a default configuration file
for openbox? I would assume yes.
If there is, the 200ms to get a screen to maximise by double clicking the title bar
is too quick
(it is physically impossible - except as an exercise in reflexes)
Bring that up to 300 or 400ms and it is physically possible (can
also be done in the configuration settings)

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 10:19    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
At the moment I am trying to output from
Openshot - this is one area that is not perfect
(Openshot are aware of this)
http://www.openshotusers.com/help/en/ar01s22.html
My latest epic is being thwarted
by the special effects department . . .

Yeah I've almost always crashed when I try to output from the pre-defined mode (ie DVD, Youtube, etc). If I choose "All formats", then choose the actual format, and then go to the "Advanced" tab to set my bandwidth etc, I've got better luck Smile

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The FD64 download direct to hard disk rather than Puppy ram file (or whatever it is called) is a useful innovation

Yup, brilliant - it doesn't eat your save file (and when you switch between puppies, all your downloads are still accessible).

Quote:

Another thing - I do not know if there is a default configuration file
for openbox? I would assume yes.
If there is, the 200ms to get a screen to maximise by double clicking the title bar
is too quick
(it is physically impossible - except as an exercise in reflexes)
Bring that up to 300 or 400ms and it is physically possible (can
also be done in the configuration settings)

Yes. First show the desktop (ie, you can see your desktop background). Then right-click anywhere on that background. Choose Openbox/obconfig (last menu at the bottom). Go to the "mouse" tab. Your 200ms double-click to maximise is there - change it as you wish Very Happy

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