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jpeps

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 14:43    Post subject:  

re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.

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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 14:43    Post subject:  

Kal wrote:
Hi rcrsn51:

When you reboot it’s back. Because it makes a new modprobe.conf back in /etc.

Code:
WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.


PS: I am not using this modprobe.conf, so I just remove it with a remove line in rc.sysinit, which I know is not the correct way to do it.


So much for thorough testing on my part. Wink

I guess BarryK will have to look at this.
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 14:44    Post subject:  

Have made 2 new fresh frugal installs of Quirky 120...........one on my old P3 test box (733 mhz/256 mb ram/1 gb swap) and the other install on my main Linux box (Athlon XP 2.0 ghz/1 gb ram/1 gb swap).

Both installs appear to be working correctly so far........although I have a cpu temp indicator in the tray on the Athlon box but not on the old P3.Not really important though since both are desktops. Smile
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 14:49    Post subject: Re: quirky 1.20 jerky video  

Béèm wrote:


So to keep the temp lower, I did put min at 0,6GHz and max at 1,0GHz
I see the cpu runs at 1,0GHz and temp is good, but the youtube video Fireflies runs very jerky.


I just tried that video on both computers,side by side.The old P3 was very jerky but the faster cpu played it perfectly.I wonder what the magic cpu speed is for smooth streaming video?
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 14:58    Post subject:  

Q1.20 works good on my HP/Compaq. Have not tested to do spotify on Wine but if it works in Q1.00 I trust it would work on the 1.20 too Am I wrong?

I am too lazy to install everything over to 1.2 from 1.0. I am very satisfied with Q1.

The only thing I miss on Q1 are the Quickpet thing.

Is that possible to make available?

Why I don't use Lucid Puppy 5.00? Because trying to run Spotify in wine kills it each time.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:00    Post subject: Re: quirky 1.20 jerky video  

rjbrewer wrote:

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.
That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:09    Post subject:  

Do we know if the rise of temperature is real or a software bug that report high temp which is not that high in reality?

Is it related to the fans not running despite they should start at a certain temperature? Is there any independent way to confirm it is making the circuits dangerous hot?

I am too lazy to spend time on it but to check my gut feeling.

I went to google and put this in the search

linux "high temperature"

Several answer do indicate quirky are not entirely alone?
But I want to know what is going on too. I ahve three computers with laptop chips and they scream warning of high temp within a minute of being booted on the newest quirkies.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:19    Post subject: Re: quirky 1.20 jerky video  

Béèm wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.
That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?


The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:29    Post subject: Re: quirky 1.20 jerky video  

rjbrewer wrote:
Béèm wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.
That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?


The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.
I don't agree.
The lower the CPU frequency, the lower the temperature, but also the more jerky a video plays.
I didn't have the issue in the early quirkies and lucid's.
I didn't have the issue in 4.3.x

What has changed?
Maybe the kernel version with it's driver modules?

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:44    Post subject: Re: quirky 1.20 jerky video  

Béèm wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
Béèm wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.
That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?


The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.
I don't agree.
The lower the CPU frequency, the lower the temperature, but also the more jerky a video plays.
I didn't have the issue in the early quirkies and lucid's.
I didn't have the issue in 4.3.x

What has changed?
Maybe the kernel version with it's driver modules?


We are not actually disagreeing.
Just looking at it from 2 different angles.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:48    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.


Exactly which part of the PPM did you find those drivers in?

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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 15:56    Post subject:  

rjbrewer wrote:
jpeps wrote:
re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.


Exactly which part of the PPM did you find those drivers in?


Quirky repo.....desktop section. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 16:21    Post subject:  

Thanks James C

That's the last place I would have thought of looking. Smile

edit;

Nvidea made no noticeable difference with ati mobility m3 agp 2x
It's not a Radeon

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 16:58    Post subject:  

Kal wrote:
Hi rcrsn51:
When you reboot it’s back. Because it makes a new modprobe.conf back in /etc.

Here is a better short-term solution.

Locate the file /usr/local/cpu-freq/cpu_func and open it in a text editor.

Line 15 currently says
Code:
if [ ! "`cat /tmp/modprobe_module.tmp`" ] ; then

Change it to
Code:
if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then

Make sure you leave spaces on either side of the [ ] characters.
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drblock2

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 17:11    Post subject: Persistant problems
Subject description: Geany, Start-up, CUPS-PDF
 

Downloaded and installed Quirky 1.2 along with my save file from 1.2rc. The save file was updated quickly and sound, flash video, ethernet network and local LAN worked right out of the box.

I had to delete and reinstall my HP 6P laserjet to enable printing via samba, but this was no problem.

Unfortunately, the problems reported here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=422085#422085 have not been resolved in the new version. Just to summarize:

1. Geany is still not able to open files on an smb mounted drive. Geany 0.19 has not resolved this - the problem did not appear with Puppy 4.31 and Geany 0.18.

2. Printing to a ps-file via CUPS-PDF still has no upper-left margin.

3. A shell script !#bin/sh does not start on booting despite link form executable in path to /root/Startup. (Say . . . this folder contains traytemp and start_cpu_freq as well. Do you suppose this might have something to do with the temperature problems?)
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