Quirky 1.2 feedback

[Béèm]

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.

That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?

[nooby]

Do we know if the rise of temperature is real or a software bug that report high temp which is not that high in reality?

Is it related to the fans not running despite they should start at a certain temperature? Is there any independent way to confirm it is making the circuits dangerous hot?

I am too lazy to spend time on it but to check my gut feeling.

I went to google and put this in the search

linux "high temperature"

Several answer do indicate quirky are not entirely alone?
But I want to know what is going on too. I ahve three computers with laptop chips and they scream warning of high temp within a minute of being booted on the newest quirkies.

[rjbrewer]

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.

That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?

The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.

[Béèm]

Only solution I ever found was to download the youtube vids.
as mp4.

That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?

The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.

I don't agree.
The lower the CPU frequency, the lower the temperature, but also the more jerky a video plays.
I didn't have the issue in the early quirkies and lucid's.
I didn't have the issue in 4.3.x

What has changed?
Maybe the kernel version with it's driver modules?

[rjbrewer]

That's not a solution.
This issue (high temperature) has started some versions ago, whether it is now quirky or lucid.
So the question is, what is happening.
Should we all go back to Windows? (bwerk)
So my impression is, that there is a serious flaw in the concept of quirky (and lucid). For me this has started in quirky and now lucid is 'contaminated' as well.

Why should one be forced to reduce his cpu frequency in order to get the temp down?
Do you think distrowatch will be happy once they realize this issue?

The subject was jerky video.
That has to do with hardware mostly.
Scaling the cpu lower does not explain the disparity between
the older and newer versions heatwise.

I don't agree.
The lower the CPU frequency, the lower the temperature, but also the more jerky a video plays.
I didn't have the issue in the early quirkies and lucid's.
I didn't have the issue in 4.3.x

What has changed?
Maybe the kernel version with it's driver modules?

We are not actually disagreeing.
Just looking at it from 2 different angles.

[rjbrewer]

re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.

Exactly which part of the PPM did you find those drivers in?

[James C]

re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.

Exactly which part of the PPM did you find those drivers in?

Quirky repo.....desktop section.

[rjbrewer]

Thanks James C

That's the last place I would have thought of looking.

edit;

Nvidea made no noticeable difference with ati mobility m3 agp 2x
It's not a Radeon

[rcrsn51]

Hi rcrsn51:
When you reboot it’s back. Because it makes a new modprobe.conf back in /etc.

Here is a better short-term solution.

Locate the file /usr/local/cpu-freq/cpu_func and open it in a text editor.

Line 15 currently says

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if [ ! "`cat /tmp/modprobe_module.tmp`" ] ; then

Change it to

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if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then

Make sure you leave spaces on either side of the [ ] characters.

[drblock2]

Downloaded and installed Quirky 1.2 along with my save file from 1.2rc. The save file was updated quickly and sound, flash video, ethernet network and local LAN worked right out of the box.

I had to delete and reinstall my HP 6P laserjet to enable printing via samba, but this was no problem.

Unfortunately, the problems reported here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 085#422085 have not been resolved in the new version. Just to summarize:

1. Geany is still not able to open files on an smb mounted drive. Geany 0.19 has not resolved this - the problem did not appear with Puppy 4.31 and Geany 0.18.

2. Printing to a ps-file via CUPS-PDF still has no upper-left margin.

3. A shell script !#bin/sh does not start on booting despite link form executable in path to /root/Startup. (Say . . . this folder contains traytemp and start_cpu_freq as well. Do you suppose this might have something to do with the temperature problems?)

[Béèm]

re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.

Thanks for the info.
But it's a 72MB install to get a few libs for the radeon driving.
It would be nice to know which libs it are and only install those as the rest of the package is not needed for a ATI/Radeon video controller.

[rcrsn51]

Printing to a ps-file via CUPS-PDF still has no upper-left margin.

Can you give an example? What application are you printing from? This appears to work for me. Instead of using the CUPS-PDF driver, have you tried using "Print to File"? Most applications have this print option.

A shell script !#bin/sh does not start on booting despite link form executable in path to /root/Startup.

Can you give an example? This also works for me. Have you declared the script file executable?

[Kal]

rcrsn51 wrote:

Here is a better short-term solution.

Locate the file /usr/local/cpu-freq/cpu_func and open it in a text editor.

Line 15 currently says
Code:
if [ ! "`cat /tmp/modprobe_module.tmp`" ] ; then

Change it to
Code:
if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then

Oh well, that didn’t work, but, thanks for trying. Back to deleting modprobe.conf after the fact in rc.sysinit.

Thanks again, Kal

[jpeps]

re: "jerky video"

Try this:
1. Install nvidia-195.36.15-k2.6.33.2-1-q from the PPM
2. exit to prompt. Rerun xorgwizard, and "probe"

This worked for me; the radeon driver used the extra libs supplied with nvidia, and flash now works.

Thanks for the info.
But it's a 72MB install to get a few libs for the radeon driving.
It would be nice to know which libs it are and only install those as the rest of the package is not needed for a ATI/Radeon video controller.

I think you just need it for the setup, and can then uninstall it.

[01micko]

Hi

qrky-120, quick test.

2 bugs and a nuisance per sé

Installed Firefox 3.6.4beta from the repo, only Ibiblio seems to work (nuisance)

Bug1
Firefox failed to run

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mozilla: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/libxul.so: undefined symbol: _Z20js_NextActiveContextP9JSRuntimeP9JSContext

Bug2
Seamonkey now fails to run from the menu, both FF and SM run from "mozilla" command which I guess picks up the first one alphabetically.

Cheers

[BarryK]

Here's why some users were reporting problems with the CPU Frequency Scaling Tool. Quirky 1.1 has modprobe v3.3-pre11 but Quirky 1.2 has 3.11.1. This new version always produces a warning message "Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf...."

When the CPU Frequency Scaling Tool program tries to activate any power module, it interprets this warning message as a failure, even if you have made the correct selection.

But manually loading the correct module from /root/Startup/start_cpu_freq works properly in spite of the warning.

[Edit] The solution to the problem appears to be:

1. Make a folder /etc/modprobe.d
2. Move the file /etc/modprobe.conf into this new folder.

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mkdir /etc/modprobe.d
mv /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d

We will have to fix some scripts. I think that the ALSA sound Wizard writes to /etc/modprobe.conf.

[BarryK]

Hi rcrsn51:
When you reboot it’s back. Because it makes a new modprobe.conf back in /etc.

Here is a better short-term solution.

Locate the file /usr/local/cpu-freq/cpu_func and open it in a text editor.

Line 15 currently says

Code: Select all

if [ ! "`cat /tmp/modprobe_module.tmp`" ] ; then

Change it to

Code: Select all

if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then

Make sure you leave spaces on either side of the [ ] characters.

Thanks for that. I have fixed the PET and uploaded it, see here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01649

[BarryK]

Downloaded and installed Quirky 1.2 along with my save file from 1.2rc. The save file was updated quickly and sound, flash video, ethernet network and local LAN worked right out of the box.

I had to delete and reinstall my HP 6P laserjet to enable printing via samba, but this was no problem.

Unfortunately, the problems reported here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 085#422085 have not been resolved in the new version. Just to summarize:

1. Geany is still not able to open files on an smb mounted drive. Geany 0.19 has not resolved this - the problem did not appear with Puppy 4.31 and Geany 0.18.

2. Printing to a ps-file via CUPS-PDF still has no upper-left margin.

3. A shell script !#bin/sh does not start on booting despite link form executable in path to /root/Startup. (Say . . . this folder contains traytemp and start_cpu_freq as well. Do you suppose this might have something to do with the temperature problems?)

Interesting that we are getting conflicting reports about Samba. Some people are reporting it doesn't work in Quirky 1.2rc/1.2.

I don't understand your point 3.

[BarryK]

Regarding so-called temperature problems in Quirky. Two points:

1. Earlier puppies did not have a tray temp guage.
2. Are we sure that 'traytemp' is reporting true CPU temp?

So, even if the temp did spike temporarily in earlier puppies, you would not have known.

If you did have a temp guage installed in earlier puppies, and temp did not spike too high, it would be good to install that and compare its reading with 'traytemp'.

Maybe if I take out 'traytemp' the problem will "go away"

[aarf]

Exactly which part of the PPM did you find those drivers in?

Quirky repo.....desktop section.

i am surprised your ppm looks like that.
my q100 (ok) and q120 (not ok) ppm are included.
there is no way to view the bottom of ppm in q120. edge dragging does no more.
it causes problems as detailed in q112 bugs.