Puppy 3-D meetings
Well, as meetings go...
Great attendance though, should be good if CrustyLobster2 ( ) can set up an invitation style meeting.
Cheers
Great attendance though, should be good if CrustyLobster2 ( ) can set up an invitation style meeting.
Cheers
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i'd call it a haloween meeting myself
can we have a propper meeting please
NOT IMPRESSED!
scsijon
ps needs to be typed, i'm very deaf
can we have a propper meeting please
NOT IMPRESSED!
scsijon
ps needs to be typed, i'm very deaf
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If anyone has a cleaned up version of the meeting it can go here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/meeting30May2010Text
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/meeting30May2010Text
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It is a known problem
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51355
We can indeed try
The IRC channel is what it is allowed to be
I have been there several times over the last few weeks
and it is largely but not completely unmoderated
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51355
We can indeed try
The IRC channel is what it is allowed to be
I have been there several times over the last few weeks
and it is largely but not completely unmoderated
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IRC is great and a really good way to setup a meeting... There are allot of useful tools to be used.. Yet it seems like a little knowhow is required.
I have done some pretty crazy stuff on IRC, and if the database of the forum can be accessed with ease, we can set up a bot to allow forum logins in IRC...
The following is a suggestion of how it could have been setup.
1. Users can "register" with the bot to join the dev channel. A unregistered user is kicked/banned from channel until registered. This can be hard to setup and might be better to skip this step... But it would allow valid authentication.
2. Ranks are set out in the channel. Chairperson along with the rest gets voice-ops... (thats everyone that has some form of maturity)
3. mode +m is set so that only voiced and above users can speak. The rest are free to listen.
With this setup, the chairperson can speak alone and open the meeting. He can say whats on his heart and get the show on the road. Whenever community input is required, channel is set to -m and everyone can have their say. +m would be set when order needs to be regained...
These scripts I created in mIRC a few years back... I still see mIRC as the easiest fast way to create a bot. There truly are a number of features one can add...
I know this has nothing to do with Puppy but I really think the next meeting should be done in such a manner... If anyone requires advice on this or needs help setting it up ill be honored to help.
I have done some pretty crazy stuff on IRC, and if the database of the forum can be accessed with ease, we can set up a bot to allow forum logins in IRC...
The following is a suggestion of how it could have been setup.
1. Users can "register" with the bot to join the dev channel. A unregistered user is kicked/banned from channel until registered. This can be hard to setup and might be better to skip this step... But it would allow valid authentication.
2. Ranks are set out in the channel. Chairperson along with the rest gets voice-ops... (thats everyone that has some form of maturity)
3. mode +m is set so that only voiced and above users can speak. The rest are free to listen.
With this setup, the chairperson can speak alone and open the meeting. He can say whats on his heart and get the show on the road. Whenever community input is required, channel is set to -m and everyone can have their say. +m would be set when order needs to be regained...
These scripts I created in mIRC a few years back... I still see mIRC as the easiest fast way to create a bot. There truly are a number of features one can add...
I know this has nothing to do with Puppy but I really think the next meeting should be done in such a manner... If anyone requires advice on this or needs help setting it up ill be honored to help.
Hey ppl, sory I missed it, last time I checked on wiki it said 7 am GMT it was rescheduled aparently to 5 am, so yeah I'm late but I did read the logs
Regarding identity teft
Register your nickname on freenode and set nick protection so if you don't identify in some time it gets changed by services automatically
/msg nickserv help for instructions on registering nick / setting enforcer
There's also this thread "Puppy Community register" so you can tell which nick you are using on IRC
Doing /msg nickserv info <nick> will tell you if user is registered and identified to services
#puppylinux can't be set mode to registered users only because there are many "pupusers" and others that are joining all the time for the first time and not registered, but if you want another channel it's not hard to open, just join it and if doesn't already exist it will be created automatically, then afterwards you can register it with chanserv /msg chanserv help
So yeah, it's not really hard to identify yourself
Regarding identity teft
Register your nickname on freenode and set nick protection so if you don't identify in some time it gets changed by services automatically
/msg nickserv help for instructions on registering nick / setting enforcer
There's also this thread "Puppy Community register" so you can tell which nick you are using on IRC
Doing /msg nickserv info <nick> will tell you if user is registered and identified to services
#puppylinux can't be set mode to registered users only because there are many "pupusers" and others that are joining all the time for the first time and not registered, but if you want another channel it's not hard to open, just join it and if doesn't already exist it will be created automatically, then afterwards you can register it with chanserv /msg chanserv help
So yeah, it's not really hard to identify yourself
puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored [url=https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Mb589v0iCXNnhSZWRwd3R2UWs]HERE[/url] or [url=http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_puppy.b0x.me_mirror]HERE[/url]
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How about being technical Chairperson?If anyone requires advice on this
or needs help setting it up ill be honored to help.
You could set up the next meeting . . . maybe with dejan555 [official name]
Maybe someone will be happy to assist you?
You can PM them [or me] if you need help
the full text 'meeting' (including fake ID's) is now here:
Warning may contain obscenities . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/meeting30May2010Text
in the above text CrustyLobster2 is the only name I used
I have now registered the name like so
Click on freenode
type
/nick mynickname
where nickname is your preferred name
(you will be prompted if not available)
then register that preference
/REGISTER <password> <email>
you will then get an email
and you can then follow the instructions
donotreply@freenode.net
In order to complete your registration, you must send the following
command on IRC:
/msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER mynickname esdfsdfsdyigh
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hi lobster was that the real Barry K in the chat???
and if so are we green for puppy 6 to be built from scratch?
ttuuxxx
and if so are we green for puppy 6 to be built from scratch?
ttuuxxx
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Thanks
Thanks all for your presence and patience.
It's been a long time since the last meeting in IRC. Because the puppylinux IRC is loosely moderated, I guess most people would feel more comfortable conducting the discussion here in the forum.
But it was truly fun to be talking directly to the devs, notably BarryK, the creator of Puppy Linux.
The meeting favored the ideas of 5.x keeping binary compatibility with chosen distros, and of 6.x being compiled from source. Ttuuxxx was nominated to coordinate Puppy6. Puppy6 could be an LTS release, and the repositories have to be organized in some way.
If you attended the IRC meeting and feel ignored, it could be either (1) your question had been answered in the past, or (2) your question was not contributing to the topic being discussed. Sorry.
If your project was not mentioned or your name was not brought up, don't lose heart - the meeting was more an effort to define how to proceed with development of the official Puppy instead of naming who's who. More devs/volunteers are needed for both Puppy5 and Puppy6.
It's been a long time since the last meeting in IRC. Because the puppylinux IRC is loosely moderated, I guess most people would feel more comfortable conducting the discussion here in the forum.
But it was truly fun to be talking directly to the devs, notably BarryK, the creator of Puppy Linux.
The meeting favored the ideas of 5.x keeping binary compatibility with chosen distros, and of 6.x being compiled from source. Ttuuxxx was nominated to coordinate Puppy6. Puppy6 could be an LTS release, and the repositories have to be organized in some way.
If you attended the IRC meeting and feel ignored, it could be either (1) your question had been answered in the past, or (2) your question was not contributing to the topic being discussed. Sorry.
If your project was not mentioned or your name was not brought up, don't lose heart - the meeting was more an effort to define how to proceed with development of the official Puppy instead of naming who's who. More devs/volunteers are needed for both Puppy5 and Puppy6.
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You better check with Barry first ttuuxxx, pm him or post question on his blog but I really doubt that was him, like I told you it's probably one more trollttuuxxx wrote:hi lobster was that the real Barry K in the chat???
and if so are we green for puppy 6 to be built from scratch?
ttuuxxx
puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored [url=https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Mb589v0iCXNnhSZWRwd3R2UWs]HERE[/url] or [url=http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_puppy.b0x.me_mirror]HERE[/url]
Re: Thanks
hello Raffy,raffy wrote:Thanks all for your presence and patience.
It's been a long time since the last meeting in IRC. Because the puppylinux IRC is loosely moderated, I guess most people would feel more comfortable conducting the discussion here in the forum.
But it was truly fun to be talking directly to the devs, notably BarryK, the creator of Puppy Linux.
The meeting favored the ideas of 5.x keeping binary compatibility with chosen distros, and of 6.x being compiled from source. Ttuuxxx was nominated to coordinate Puppy6. Puppy6 could be an LTS release, and the repositories have to be organized in some way.
If you attended the IRC meeting and feel ignored, it could be either (1) your question had been answered in the past, or (2) your question was not contributing to the topic being discussed. Sorry.
If your project was not mentioned or your name was not brought up, don't lose heart - the meeting was more an effort to define how to proceed with development of the official Puppy instead of naming who's who. More devs/volunteers are needed for both Puppy5 and Puppy6.
In none developer terms what does it mean when " The meeting favored the ideas of 5.x keeping binary compatibility with chosen distros, and of 6.x being compiled from source"
does that mean 6.x we will no longer have the ubuntu / slackware compatible puppies and their software daterbase?
Honestly, I didn't get the impression that anything was truly discussed or decided in that meeting.
However, I talked to Ttuuxxx afterward, and I am willing to lend assistance to whatever Ttuuxxx wants to do. I think he has good taste, and good ideas, and probably has enough dedication to accomplish what he sets his mind to.
The plan of building entirely from scratch is extremely ambitious - the problem will be getting a base system working. I doubt we can figure it out with out a lot of help from Barry, and the other developers who understand Linux internals very well.
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But yes, building from scratch would mean losing binary compatibility. This doesn't imply the demise of woof or wooflets.
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From what I understand, calling this project the official 6.x series requires approval by the real BarryK.
However, I talked to Ttuuxxx afterward, and I am willing to lend assistance to whatever Ttuuxxx wants to do. I think he has good taste, and good ideas, and probably has enough dedication to accomplish what he sets his mind to.
The plan of building entirely from scratch is extremely ambitious - the problem will be getting a base system working. I doubt we can figure it out with out a lot of help from Barry, and the other developers who understand Linux internals very well.
--
But yes, building from scratch would mean losing binary compatibility. This doesn't imply the demise of woof or wooflets.
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From what I understand, calling this project the official 6.x series requires approval by the real BarryK.
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Nohi lobster was that the real Barry K in the chat???
I would say you and Jemimah make a formidable team.and if so are we green for puppy 6 to be built from scratch?
So that you had a mini-meeting makes the whole IRC hijack
worthwhile.
In future we may do something different
'Meet' on the forum or something . . .
Re: Thanks
It was interesting watching folks fall all over them selves to talk to Barry....especially since it really wasn't Barry.raffy wrote: But it was truly fun to be talking directly to the devs, notably BarryK, the creator of Puppy Linux.
I'd suggest that if the devs make use of IRC, they brush up on how it really works. Some of the comments made by devs(or those that purported to be devs) showing little understanding of IRC.WhoDo wrote:jemimah wrote: I think a private group is essential for further discussion. At least the trolls can be kept out by requiring a login from the group owner.
An offer was made to give the devs a registered channel for their use...with the provision that at least one dev act as a moderator....
Instead of complaining about trolls, the devs might consider taking a pro-active approach in protecting their venue.
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Why not call a meeting by pm instead through the forum ?
Why not call a meeting by pm next time, instead through the forum ?
So there will be no trolls and Barry K will be Barry K, if he says so
By pm you can ask to conform the invitation and ask for the name he/she will use on the chat and let everyone know whoiswho beforehand.
So then BK will be BK or not present. and Nancy Reagan Margaret Thatcher or the like.
So there will be no trolls and Barry K will be Barry K, if he says so
By pm you can ask to conform the invitation and ask for the name he/she will use on the chat and let everyone know whoiswho beforehand.
So then BK will be BK or not present. and Nancy Reagan Margaret Thatcher or the like.
A meeting should be held on a private channel with those who attend given access.
I read the minutes of the meeting as supplied by Tuxxx and I do not see how anything productive could come from one with so may trolls and also trying to figure out who is who.
I am a dumb shit when it comes to using CHAT to set up an IRC account and I never could connect.
But from reading the minutes, it is just as well that I could not connect.
I would say to have another meeting of the developers on a private channel with uname/password.
Surely there is somewhere one could do this.
And don't call me Surely.
I read the minutes of the meeting as supplied by Tuxxx and I do not see how anything productive could come from one with so may trolls and also trying to figure out who is who.
I am a dumb shit when it comes to using CHAT to set up an IRC account and I never could connect.
But from reading the minutes, it is just as well that I could not connect.
I would say to have another meeting of the developers on a private channel with uname/password.
Surely there is somewhere one could do this.
And don't call me Surely.