Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

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Colonel Panic · #3621 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Mon 24 May 2010, 19:34

James C wrote:Downloaded and installed all of these new pets and all appear to be working correctly.

Same here

Thanks for all your hard work ttuuxxx.

#3622 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 24 May 2010, 20:00

AndrewG wrote:Hi.
May anyone help me with Gparted issue?
I have a Wyse terminal with 256MB flash disk onboard.
Gparted 0.3.x included in classic Puppy 2.14 RC5 has some trouble to recognize it properly. I can set up partition with Puppy 4.31 but when I try again to install classic, Puppy installer says there is no partition. Does this mean classic 2.14 will not work with my flash drive at all? Please help me out, coz classic version is the fastest one I found. regards

wow that's strange as long as its ext2, or ext3 it should be fine, It also should pick up swap partitions, Just manually copy the the cd files sfs etc to the drive and do a frugal install.
ttuuxxx

sinc · #3623 Post by **sinc** » Mon 24 May 2010, 20:28

ttuuxxx, you probably already know but I get a couple if error messages when I install the devx.

and I am unable to compile wine, I get an error everytime I try.

AndrewG · #3624 Post by **AndrewG** » Tue 25 May 2010, 09:56

ttuuxxx, is it safe to use frugal install on flash media?
Which installation is suggested for better performance. My WYSE client is rather slow.

Roy · #3625 Post by **Roy** » Wed 26 May 2010, 01:34

AndrewG.

I know that I am not ttuuxxx, but please trust me when I tell you that everybody I know of does a "frugal" install on thumb drives. I'm not using Classic Pup at the moment, but just use the universal installer to do it. Not only is it safe, it is recommended.

-Roy

AndrewG · #3626 Post by **AndrewG** » Wed 26 May 2010, 08:25

Roy, thanks' for you quick response. I can not use universal installer because Classic does not see my internal 265MB flash drive. Bios detects it as IDE drive. I had to do frugal install manually. It was not easy to set up grub, but finally i boot up from my terminal without pen drive. Unfortunately, again, I can not open my internal disk that I booted from. Gparted sees this drive but says it is not formatted. To delete files or edit grub menu.lst I have to boot Puppy 4.3.1. The biggest problem is to save configuration to pup_save file because internal drive is not detected. Can anyone help?

yorkiesnorkie · #3627 Post by **yorkiesnorkie** » Wed 26 May 2010, 11:11

Hi,

Well the good news is that the 214xRC5 cd is in fact a good burn and works with our Compaq desktop. The bad news - the live cd does not work with my laptop.

Basically I decided to delete my frugal 431 install on the off chance it was an issue, but it made absolutely no difference. My laptop is an old IBM 380 XD with a pentium II mmx, 96 mb of ram, and I have a linux swap space. I tried booting with puppy pfix=ram but no luck I get the same invalid compressed format error for the sfs file.

The Compaq is an older presario with 128 mb of ram, it also has a swap space and a frugal install of 4.3.1 in the fat32 partition. I made a frugal install of the 2.14xRC5 to an ext2 partition. No issues except for the following.

During the installation when using the universal installer it detects the monitor correctly. However, if I use the "test" option the installer will come back with the dialog box, but when I click to close it, it then locks up at the X on the desktop and no further progress is made. However, if I just use the default autodectection instead and choose the basic dimensions, it continues and launches the desktop as per normal.

So, I'll be able to move ahead with my plans to compile. However I'm puzzled by the live CD's inability to boot my laptop.

y.

yorkiesnorkie · #3628 Post by **yorkiesnorkie** » Wed 26 May 2010, 11:28

AndrewG wrote:Hi.
May anyone help me with Gparted issue?
I have a Wyse terminal with 256MB flash disk onboard.
Gparted 0.3.x included in classic Puppy 2.14 RC5 has some trouble to recognize it properly. I can set up partition with Puppy 4.31 but when I try again to install classic, Puppy installer says there is no partition. Does this mean classic 2.14 will not work with my flash drive at all? Please help me out, coz classic version is the fastest one I found. regards

Hi AndrewG,

So, this is a "new" pc? like this one? http://www.wyse.com/products/hardware/t ... /index.asp I'm not sure what the implications are with regard to for support for this kind of hardware.

Lets say your booting from a live CD somehow, using an external CD drive for example, you need to boot using "puppy pfix=ram". This will make puppy launch completely in ram. When puppy 4.3.1.'s desktop launches, at the bottom of the left part of the desktop you should see an icon for each available partition. If you were using the 2.1.4rc5 live cd you should see the same thing.

My question is at this stage can you see the internal flash drive? If the icon is there what happens in 4.3.1, and 2.1.4xRC5? Does one mount the partition and the other not?

y.

#3629 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 26 May 2010, 12:38

AndrewG wrote:ttuuxxx, is it safe to use frugal install on flash media?
Which installation is suggested for better performance. My WYSE client is rather slow.

I would go with a frugal install, it takes less space, and runs fast.
I usually do that with a real large pupsave, like 10-20GB.
ttuuxxx

raffy · #3630 Post by **raffy** » Wed 26 May 2010, 15:59

Andrew, use in Grub

PMEDIA=idehd

along the kernel line.

You should see your internal drive in /initrd/mnt/dev_ro*

(It should have been formatted as ext2 before using Grub on it.)

AndrewG · #3631 Post by **AndrewG** » Wed 26 May 2010, 19:42

Hi
@ttuuxxx thanks' for clarification

@yorkiesnorkie
I have an old 9150se
http://www.wyse.com/products/winterm/9150se/index.asp
www.wysetech.cn/products/winterm/9150SE/9150.pdf
and it works well with puppy 4.3.1 both in frugal and full installation.
I use USB pendrive to boot.
In 2.1.4rc5 I do not see same drives like in 4.3.1. Internal flash drive is missing in 2.14
In 2.1.4rc5 Gparted says this partition is not formatted while it is in ext2. When I try to
delete it and create again, it removes it but do not create anything new.

@raffy
I installed frugal 2.14 by coping files and setting up GRUB on Puppy 4.3.1. BEcause only 4.3.1
has proper support of my internal flash drive.
I had PMEDIA=atahd(as it works with 4.3.1) and I changed it to idehd and internal drive icon appeared finally
in left down corner. But, when I click on it, there is a mount failed message- "There was one error".
Disk is formatted to ext2, because system was booted from it a while ego.
What is it???
Does this mean, this kernel doesn't support my internal flash disk ?
But why it does boot from it???

thank you all for a great support

#3632 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 27 May 2010, 14:21

Here's a nice image viewer called Geeqie
ttuuxxx

yorkiesnorkie · #3633 Post by **yorkiesnorkie** » Thu 27 May 2010, 17:06

AndrewG wrote:Hi
@ttuuxxx thanks' for clarification

@yorkiesnorkie
I have an old 9150se
http://www.wyse.com/products/winterm/9150se/index.asp
www.wysetech.cn/products/winterm/9150SE/9150.pdf
and it works well with puppy 4.3.1 both in frugal and full installation.
I use USB pendrive to boot.
In 2.1.4rc5 I do not see same drives like in 4.3.1. Internal flash drive is missing in 2.14
In 2.1.4rc5 Gparted says this partition is not formatted while it is in ext2. When I try to
delete it and create again, it removes it but do not create anything new.

@raffy
I installed frugal 2.14 by coping files and setting up GRUB on Puppy 4.3.1. BEcause only 4.3.1
has proper support of my internal flash drive.
I had PMEDIA=atahd(as it works with 4.3.1) and I changed it to idehd and internal drive icon appeared finally
in left down corner. But, when I click on it, there is a mount failed message- "There was one error".
Disk is formatted to ext2, because system was booted from it a while ego.
What is it???
Does this mean, this kernel doesn't support my internal flash disk ?
But why it does boot from it???

thank you all for a great support

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the info, I'm not sure why 4.3.1 recognizes the internal flash drive and 2.14xrc5 won't. I guess that is a question best left to the Guru's such as ttuuxxx and Raffy!

I wonder though if you formatted part of it to fat32, (radical I know), made a very small ext2 partition (just big enough for grub) and left a bit of space there for a linux swap, so there would be three partitions on it, and performed a frugal install to the fat32 partition, if it could be found? This is the sort of setup I use on an actual hard drive. There are a couple of other options for booting grub from within the fat32 as well kicking around here in the beginner's info.

Anyway, I hope you get a solution soon.

y.

AndrewG · #3634 Post by **AndrewG** » Thu 27 May 2010, 17:50

HI,
The problem is I can not create any partition at all.
I was even trying to use fdisk and I can delete partition with success.
But when I create a new primary one there is an error.
When I do fdisk-l it says This partition has different physical /logical beginnings and endings.
Do you maybe know why? And again, with puppy 4.3.1, even with old Turbo pup everything is fine!!

technosaurus · #3635 Post by **technosaurus** » Thu 27 May 2010, 19:40

@Andrew - just speculation but perhaps it had bad blocks or the drive type is not supported in the kernel or in the partitioning tools. Have you tried just using parted (command line alternative of gparted) it often supports more types than gparted. I compiled a later version of gparted for 4.3.X that you can try as well - with static versions of libparted, so having an outdated version of parted won't matter.

It's here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=45392
Note that you may need an updated version of glib (which may be already installed due to the updated gtk)

AndrewG · #3636 Post by **AndrewG** » Sat 29 May 2010, 23:28

@technosaurus
I think this is kernel issue. When I make partition in Puppy 4.3.1 it is no recognized in Classic 2.14 at all. Same situation in old puppy 2.16. So, this is not Gparted version problem. I will move to your pUPnGO, coz I'd like to build a pupplet suitable for download needs only(just 5 programs and network). thanks'

abushcrafter · #3637 Post by **abushcrafter** » Sun 30 May 2010, 13:51

Download link is dead

.

#3638 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 30 May 2010, 13:54

abushcrafter wrote:Download link is dead .

Yes all my 100MB+ iso's were delete from Eric's puppylinux.ca server by the host. I need to find a new one which can handle my sort monthly downloads.
many dev's that have had iso's on .ca are in the same boat.
ttuuxxx

abushcrafter · #3639 Post by **abushcrafter** » Sun 30 May 2010, 14:06

ttuuxxx wrote:
abushcrafter wrote:Download link is dead .

Yes all my 100MB+ iso's were delete from Eric's puppylinux.ca server by the host. I need to find a new one which can handle my sort monthly downloads.
many dev's that have had iso's on .ca are in the same boat.
ttuuxxx

What about My Free File Host? I have been using this for my pets and not had any problems so far. I think it has a 300MB file size limit.

#3640 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 30 May 2010, 15:35

abushcrafter wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
abushcrafter wrote:Download link is dead .

Yes all my 100MB+ iso's were delete from Eric's puppylinux.ca server by the host. I need to find a new one which can handle my sort monthly downloads.
many dev's that have had iso's on .ca are in the same boat.
ttuuxxx
What about My Free File Host? I have been using this for my pets and not had any problems so far. I think it has a 300MB file size limit.

Thanks I upload it to the host you provided, please try it out

page one for download
ttuuxxx

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