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rjbrewer


Joined: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 4422
Location: merriam, kansas

PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 14:50    Post subject:  

looseSCREWorTWO wrote:
@rjbrewer
I notice you don't mention resizing a Vista partition.

Did you go from XP straight to Windows 7?


Tried it first on the old Pavillion (Win98) 3 years ago, my first computer.

Next was Win7 on a few laptops my neighbor and I were doing
Hackintosh experiments with.

Did it on an old Thinkpad with Win2k about the same time.

Recently on my Inspiron700m with Xp-pro, and on 2 other pcs'
with Xp-home (slipstream sp3) versions I made.

I'm basically Windows illiterate; Puppy 301 was my first usable o.s.;
been with the pup ever since.

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Inspiron 700m, Pent.M 1.6Ghz, 1Gb ram.
Msi Wind U100, N270 1.6>2.0Ghz, 1.5Gb ram.
Eeepc 8g 701, 900Mhz, 1Gb ram.
Full installs

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Laie

Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 289
Location: Germany

PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 15:46    Post subject:  

looseSCREWorTWO wrote:
@rjbrewer
...Did you go from XP straight to Windows 7?

So did I, too. Never had any contact to Vista.
Thank you for the warning,
I promise to be careful!

Funny file system in Windows7:
Windows Explorer shows two partitions, first C: and
second D: with drivers and some other stuff.
You would expect one hidden partition for the restoring information
but GParted shows first
1 MB of unallocated space, then
sda1 with a directory named "boot" and a file named "bootmgr", a directory "System Volume Information" an a file "factory.txt". This partition is hidden for Windows users.
sda2 represents the huge partition C:.
I admit, I don't quite understand the next:
there is no icon for sda3 on the Puppy desktop
there is 1 MB of unallocated space again then
sda4 containing the restoring info, again hidden in Windows.
sda5 is D: in Windows.
I attach a screenshot of the GParted information.

Where should I create space for sda6 (Linux) an the swap partition?
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rjbrewer


Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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Location: merriam, kansas

PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 17:22    Post subject:  

OUCH!

My Windows installations were done with official style install disks.
A free beta disk in the Win7 case.

They only use 1 ntfs partition.

When you get it on a new laptop the versions have all kinds of extra
parts. made for that laptop manufacturer.

You'll need better help than I can give in this case.

Start by typing win7 or dualboot in search.
Googling for win7-linux dual boot wouldn't hurt.

I probably wouldn't install Puppy on the drive in this case.
Frugal install with save-file on a partition may be okay.
I'd probably use usb or flash card installs.

A laptop that can run win7 isn't going to need a swap partition
for puppy.

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Msi Wind U100, N270 1.6>2.0Ghz, 1.5Gb ram.
Eeepc 8g 701, 900Mhz, 1Gb ram.
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Laie

Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 289
Location: Germany

PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 18:38    Post subject:  

Yes, I have puppy running without any problems from usb flash stick.
But puppy tells me not to pull off the stick while running.
This is sort of inconvenient.
I am always anxious not to break it off the usb slot.
So I'd rather have some kind of frugal install on the Harddisk.
Maybe easyBCD is the way... Confused
Anyway - I'm leaving now till Sunday, no more time to fool around with the netbook.
One hour ago I tried to start puppy with a projector plugged in.
Xorgwizard tried to make it - I had to remove the pupsave file afterwards.
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looseSCREWorTWO

Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Posts: 812
Location: Australia, 1999 Toshiba laptop, 512mb RAM, no HDD, 431 Retro & 421 Retro

PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 20:01    Post subject:  

Puppy 4.0.0 Dingo was my first Puppy. A mate gave me the CD ages ago but I kept on using XP. Then I started finding lots of Pentium 3s and 4s in dumpsters, laneways, and at the Recycling Centre. No way XP will run properly on a Pentium 3, so how am I gunna make a PC for myself? Then I remembered the Puppy CD that Ash gave me. Now I do everything in Puppy. Haven't booted into Windows since last year.

@Laie
Like rjbrewer says, you don't need a Swap. Swap is extra "virtual RAM" needed for Dinosaurs like my 10 year-old laptop. It only has 128mb RAM so I put in enough Swap to bring up the total Memory (RAM + Swap) to 512mb. If computer has more than 500mb RAM no Swap is needed

I'm wondering if your computer has a Card Reader slot? You could put a 4gb SD Card in there and install Puppy to that - with nothing sticking out of the computer. If it won't boot from the SD Card you can use one of these special CDs (thanks rcrsn51 Very Happy ):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=28093

rcrsn51's instructions to use it are:
Quote:
Download and unpack the attached "bootcd.tar.gz" to your home directory. It will create a folder named "bootcd" containing three files.

Copy the two core Puppy files "vmlinuz" and "initrd.gz" into the "bootcd" folder. It should now contain five files.

Click on the icon "makeiso". This will create a "puppy.iso" file one level up.

Burn it.
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hexdef101

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr 2010, 22:50    Post subject:  

running puppy 4.2.1 with gnome 2.20.3 hard drive install on a lenovo 3000 c200. works good though i have issues with the wifi not being detected if i start of in gnome, usually have to boot with jwm or icewm to fix this issue. otherwise works well.
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DC


Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 353
Location: Maidenhead, England

PostPosted: Sat 17 Apr 2010, 05:50    Post subject: xsetnumlock  

Hi all,
For all the people like me who use a keyboard with their laptop at home but not when travelling
a little script to turn on the numlock when the usb keyboard is connected at boot up.
I've posted the code so you can call the script what you want.
put the script into /root/Startup
You can test it by just running the script. Depending what else you have in startup it could take a few seconds before switching on.

requires xsetnumlock from xsetnumlock.pet installed into /usr/local/bin

script - laptop_numlock
Code:
#!/bin/sh
# DC 07/04/10
## switch on numlock if USB KB connected during start up

# search through dmesg
kb=dmesg | grep "USB Keyboard" | cut -b 18-29 | head -1

# switch on if found ( else not really required good for testing)
if [ $kb=USB Keyboard ]
        then /usr/local/bin/xsetnumlock on
        else /usr/local/bin/xsetnumlock off
fi


If anybody knows different / easier ways please tell

DC
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Laie

Joined: 20 Jan 2008
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Location: Germany

PostPosted: Wed 21 Apr 2010, 17:10    Post subject:  

looseSCREWorTWO wrote:
...I'm wondering if your computer has a Card Reader slot? You could put a 4gb SD Card in there and install Puppy to that - with nothing sticking out of the computer...

Thx, good idea, I did that and it works well.
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rtb

Joined: 23 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Sun 09 May 2010, 00:40    Post subject:  

Broadcom 4306 (Sony Ericsson / Tmobile gc89) pc card works with puppy 4.21 seamonkey retro out of the box. This is the only distro, puppy or not, that I've found that works with this card trying on a couple computers I have.
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looseSCREWorTWO

Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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Location: Australia, 1999 Toshiba laptop, 512mb RAM, no HDD, 431 Retro & 421 Retro

PostPosted: Sun 09 May 2010, 09:31    Post subject:  

Puppy Quirky 1.00 got my Huawei e160G USB Modem working and surfing the Web in less than one minute, with about 4 mouse-clicks. This is way better than any other O.S., be it Linux, Apple or Windows. I have also found Puppy 421 and 421 Retro to be very good on a wide range of PCs, but getting the USB Modem to work in them is "fiddly".
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Wurlitzer1928

Joined: 13 May 2010
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Thu 13 May 2010, 15:52    Post subject: Random boot up sequence
Subject description: Puppy boots differently at random
 

Puppy 4.2.1. running LIVE CD
Dell Latitude D610

Puppy works well however, about 1 out of every 3 or 4 boots will result in loading from 4 folders on the CD(which were created months ago just one day apart) and not from the pup file on the HDD.

When loading the 4 folders it takes about 2-3 minutes longer and none of my internet bookmarks remain.

If it loads from the HDD all the bookmarks remain.

I am not saving upon shutdown and I have been unable to identify a sequence that changes how puppy boots.

Also, is there a way to stop the touch pad from randomly going back or forward while in SeaMonkey? It is very annoying to be searching then if I just lightly touch the touch pad and zap I am back one or more pages in SeaMonkey.
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npierce

Joined: 28 Dec 2009
Posts: 858

PostPosted: Sat 15 May 2010, 21:47    Post subject:  

Wurlitzer1928 wrote:
Also, is there a way to stop the touch pad from randomly going back or forward while in SeaMonkey?

If you have a Synaptics touch pad, and are using Xorg, not Xvesa, here are three possible ways to disable horizontal scrolling. They work in Puppy 4.3.1. But I don't know if the Synaptics driver used in your Puppy 4.2.1 is the same, or if different, if it supports this option.

Method 1:

Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the following line to the list of options in the "InputDevice" section for "Synaptics Mouse":
Code:
        Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0"

Then restart the X server.

This is the simplest method, but, unfortunately, if you later run xorgwizard for any reason, it will rewrite xorg.conf and remove this line. If you are game, you could also add the line to the appropriate place in your xorgwizard. Otherwise you could stay away from xorgwizard or use one of the other methods listed below.


Method 2:

Install synclient and use this command:
Code:
synclient HorizEdgeScroll=0

You could put this command into a script in /root/Startup to turn horizontal scrolling off whenever you restart the X server.


Method 3:

Install both synclient and flsynclient and run flsynclient from Menu -> Desktop -> FlSynclient or from a terminal window with this command:
Code:
flsynclient

Under the Scrolling tab, uncheck the box for Horizontal Edge Scroll. Then click the Save button. A script installed by the flsynclient package in /root/Startup will restore your chosen settings whenever you restart the X server.

Both synclient and flsynclient packages have been made available by jemimah here: FlSynclient - Advanced Touchpad Configuration Gui.
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bruisedquasar08

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 57
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Thinkpad T-23, T-60

PostPosted: Sun 16 May 2010, 15:16    Post subject: Re: Puppy On Laptops
Subject description: What works for you ?
 

CatDude wrote:
Hi
Therefore, i ask for any laptop users, if you could please provide details of your experiences (good or bad)
maybe it would then help others who may be looking to purchase a laptop specifically for running Puppy.
If you could also give an idea as to the age of the laptop, that may prove useful too, as would the Puppy version you have running on it.
Hoping you can help
CatDude


Puppy 3.XXX - 5.XXX boots and works like a charm on an old (1998) Compaq Presario PIII (2gb PNY USB), IBM (2001) Thinkpad T-23 (2GB Sony USB) and my (2007) Thinkpad T-60 (8GB ATIVA USB & 8GB Mitsushita micro hard drive)

The Puppy USB installer works with no problem for USB Flash Stick install & boot for the T-23 & the T-60 & so does universal USB Installer & Uinbootin (sp?) USB Installer.

Puppy 431 & Puppy 5 detected & runs the 15" 1400 X 1050 x 24 T-60 display with no problems.

I rarely resort to booting Windows on these laptops, preferring Puppy's superior speed and tiny maintenance needs, not to mention lower battery use, lower heat generation, & no hard drive needs!

Note: I only use the T-60. My daughter & grandson use the two other laptops. My daughter was both a Linux & a Puppy newbie)

--Bruised
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WurlPuppy

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Sun 16 May 2010, 19:39    Post subject: Resolved: Touchpad random Seamonkey page switching
Subject description: npierce edit suggestion worked fine.
 

npierce Your first method worked perfectly.

Thanks for taking the time to post this.

Craig
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npierce

Joined: 28 Dec 2009
Posts: 858

PostPosted: Mon 17 May 2010, 09:04    Post subject:  

Craig,

You're welcome. I'm glad to hear that it worked for you. I wish I was also able to help with your random boot-up sequence mystery, but I'm not familiar with how Puppy chooses where to look for saved user data at boot time.

N.
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