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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Mon 03 May 2010, 03:42 Post subject:
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In the next few days Puppy 5 will be with us
Lucid Puppy
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LucidPuppy
Quirky Puppy - now available
Wary Puppy
- 3 for the price of Uno (still free)
Here is the wiki entry for someone to improve
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy5
What next?
We really will have quite a kennel of possibilities
from Puppeee to 64bit, from 2.x series updated to Slaxer
and even more when Ubuntu advocates realize Puppy is quicker
tighter and mightier - straight out of the USB keydrive
We may be small
but we are the dog
Woof Woof
Puppys goals have been largely achieved
http://puppylinux.com/about.htm
I would like to concentrate on 2
as areas where we can still innovate and grow
# Extremely friendly for Linux newbies.
# Will just work, no hassles.
These two are about usability
and I feel Micks (01micko) efforts with Quickpet
in Lucid illustrate this well
I can see this developing well into 5.1
and hopefully beyond
Both my sisters are forced into using Puppy
but find it awkward and geeky.
They would rather be using Windows.
How can we make it more usable
for our demanding potential end users?
Friendly for noobs, just works
Those are a great way forward.
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Mon 03 May 2010, 11:22 Post subject:
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I support that.
How to achieve it is not that easy I guess.
Every newbie having a unique combination of hardware and software wishes makes it demanding.
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7748 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Mon 03 May 2010, 11:46 Post subject:
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I have asked the following question several times, but have yet to receive a definitive answer. Is Quirky meant to be the general-purpose replacement for Puppy 4.3.1? Or is it a specialized, reduced-driver release? What are we going to recommend to newcomers?
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WhoDo

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 4441 Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:08 Post subject:
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| rcrsn51 wrote: | | I have asked the following question several times, but have yet to receive a definitive answer. Is Quirky meant to be the general-purpose replacement for Puppy 4.3.1? Or is it a specialized, reduced-driver release? What are we going to recommend to newcomers? |
NOT Quirky ... see Barry's Quirky page for more information.
Quirky is experimental. Wary is Quirky built differently. Lucid is compatible with the latest Ubuntu packages and is not mainstream either ... yet.
So, if you want to recommend something safe to "newcomers" then you'll have to stick with 4.3.1, wait for 4.4 or take the punt that they can handle Lucid. JMHO.
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7748 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:26 Post subject:
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So what will Quirky 1.0 be missing that keeps it from being the successor to Puppy 4.3.1? A full set of drivers? Pretty wallpaper?
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jemimah

Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 4309 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:34 Post subject:
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I think the difference is that Barry doesn't intend to try to support it beyond working on stuff he personally finds interesting.
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:37 Post subject:
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I agree that is how it used to be.
But then they decided??? that it would be cool to launch three different puppies at same time. Quirky, Wary, and Lupu and this within a week after the launch of Ubuntu 10.04 that came now a few days ago.
So q21 will be renamed Q1 and Lupu114 renamed LP5 ?
But I am bad at reading text. I barely trust myself on this.
Maybe playdays or Micko wrote one or two days ago that it will be launced within one or two or three days so maybe today or tomorrow?
reservation that it is my wishful thinking getting it wrong.
I wrote in Q021 thread that they have to solve the Nvidia thing first or it will be a backlash when many more than me get a black screen
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 3620 Location: around the bend
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:43 Post subject:
Re: Puppy 5.1 to 6 Subject description: What next? |
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| Lobster wrote: |
Both my sisters are forced into using Puppy
but find it awkward and geeky.
They would rather be using Windows.
How can we make it more usable
for our demanding potential end users?
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perhaps you can persuade them to peee
more girl oriented themes. even your favourite Barbie gets a mention. check'em out and perhaps incorporate some into the main stream pups.
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Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9386 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 09:53 Post subject:
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Pinky Power rules.
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7748 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 12:19 Post subject:
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So the question remains unanswered. What specific functionality will be missing from Quirky 1.0 that would prevent it from being Puppy 5.0?
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yorkiesnorkie

Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 13:23 Post subject:
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| rcrsn51 wrote: | | I have asked the following question several times, but have yet to receive a definitive answer. Is Quirky meant to be the general-purpose replacement for Puppy 4.3.1? Or is it a specialized, reduced-driver release? What are we going to recommend to newcomers? |
No, it's an experiment built on Woof. I think we'll have to stick with 4.3.1 as the main release to recommend to noobs.
We'll have to wait and see what is in Quirky I guess, should be interesting.
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KusaNoKaito

Joined: 19 Feb 2010 Posts: 98 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 14:14 Post subject:
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When puppy 5.1 comes out will there be a safe way to upgrade without completely re-installing?
In a few upgrades I have done I noticed that they can corrupt certain apps.
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DaveS

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3669 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 14:34 Post subject:
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Its a funny one this. 4.3.2 seems to have faded away. Same with Dpup. 4.4 seems inactive, at least publicly, and BK seems to be a bit left field with Quirky. So in the real world, 4.3.1 is it.............
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jemimah

Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 4309 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 15:06 Post subject:
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I think 4.4 is still going, as Technosaurus has time.
Fluppy is coming as soon as Puppeee gets released, which should be in the next month or so.
Fluppy will be aimed at netbooks and newer laptops; it will be built using Puppeee as a base. It may be able to run on older machines.
Puppeee is a little fatter than 4.3.1 without including heavyweight software. It has more utilities, more window managers, more file managers to choose from. The smallest netbook has 512MB ram, so I don't have to be quite so conservative with size. It'll still be under 150MB with the full kernel.
I'm considering using Quirky as the base for Puppeee/Fluppy 5. It's either that or the upcoming EB4. I think using Quirky would be a lot easier for me, but it would miss Debian package compatibility.
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rcrsn51

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Posted: Tue 04 May 2010, 15:51 Post subject:
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| yorkiesnorkie wrote: | | We'll have to wait and see what is in Quirky I guess, should be interesting. |
Quirky has been around through 20 beta versions with considerable feedback from the community. By now, we have a pretty good idea what's in it. So the original question remains unanswered.
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