e-Sword bible software installation

[Jim1911]

Could you write a short tutorial on how to get BibleDesktop up and running?

Go to the old Churchpup site and under BIBLE SOFTWARE: download Bibledesktop1.08.pet and install it. The pet includes the necessary java, so after installation, all you'll need to do is download some Sword modules using BibleDesktop and it should work. It is an older version, but should run OK on most pups.

[Frank Cox]

Hi Jim:

I am having no real problems with 9.5, is 9.6 that much better to bother with?

Also have you had any luck getting all the features to work?

Thanks

[Jim1911]

Hi Jim:
I am having no real problems with 9.5, is 9.6 that much better to bother with?
Also have you had any luck getting all the features to work?
Thanks

The biggest feature is being able to highlight and mark passages in the commentaries and dictionaries. All you need to do is download it and doubleclick on it to install. No extra setup required, it installs fine.

Jim

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx has some of the Linux bible software on his livingwaters pup that work well, however, like Churchpup it is rather outdated (at least 2 years I think) and an update to the newer version of puppy for the base that was supposed to happen never materialized.

There will be a newer version once 2.14X is final is released, We are like at RC5, Just trying to find and fix any left over bugs, I wanted to build a release on 2.14X and the latest 5 series, but 5 series is not near stable enough to build a release yet. 4 series is too dated and would be waste of time. So really 2.14X is the way to go until 5 series is released.
ttuuxxx

[Jim1911]

Tazoc's latest Lighthouse has a

* New Wine e-Sword 9.6.0 Bible Study downloader and installer, based on a script by david_kt and adapted for Lighthouse.

Check it out here.

Jim

[bones01]

Hi Jim

I've upgraded to a full install of Lucid Puppy 5.0.1 and am trying to follow your instructions once again, but something's not working. I have downloaded and installed the .dll files and made the changes you asked for, But to no avail.

I used the 'quickpet' option in Lucid to download Wine, and it has given me version 1.1.43. Would that be part of the problem?

Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bones

[Jim1911]

I used the 'quickpet' option in Lucid to download Wine, and it has given me version 1.1.43. Would that be part of the problem?

I've found that the procedures on the first post work fine with Lucid 5.01, as well as the test luci releases. As stated on the first post though, you may have problems with any wine pet releases later than 1.1.40. My experience with them, including the version that Quickpet downloads, is that when following these procedures with the later releases that the only thing broken is graphics, otherwise e-Sword works fine. However, graphics does work on tazoc's Lighthouse which has later releases, but I understand that he uses deb source files that are different from those used to prepare the available pet files.

Possibly, you have overlooked a step, if not, you may try the older 1.1.40 with corresponding versions of the MFC42.DLL and msls31.dll.

Since you already have a good working version, try this procedure. I have found that the .wine file is very portable and to save space in the save file and time setting up a new installation, I copy (from a working version) the .wine file to /mnt/home along with /usr/share/applications/e-Sword.desktop, /usr/bin/esword.sh, and /usr/share/pixmaps/esword.png to an eSword directory. Then to get a new operating version on a new puppy OS, do the following steps.
1. Install wine to the new puppy OS using any of the later versions.
2. Locate the /root/.wine file and delete it which of course renders wine inoperable.
3. Locate your .wine file at /mnt/home and create a symlink to /root/.
4. Next copy or create symlinks at /usr/bin, /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps in the new puppy OS to the other files in the /mnt/home/eSword directory.
5. Now, wine will work again. Of course, if you have other Windows programs installed, a similar procedure will need to be done for each installed program.

This has worked well for my frugal installations and should also work with a full HD installation.

Jim

[bones01]

Thanks for your reply Jim.

Possibly, you have overlooked a step, if not, you may try the older 1.1.40 with corresponding versions of the MFC42.DLL and msls31.dll.

What do you mean "corresponding versions"? I got them from dlldump and dropped them into System32. Also, I notice that your MFC42.DLL is in capitals. Does that make a difference? If so, where can I find these?

Since you already have a good working version, try this procedure. I have found that the .wine file is very portable and to save space in the save file and time setting up a new installation, I copy (from a working version) the .wine file to /mnt/home along with /usr/share/applications/e-Sword.desktop, /usr/bin/esword.sh, and /usr/share/pixmaps/esword.png to an eSword directory. Then to get a new operating version on a new puppy OS, do the following steps.
1. Install wine to the new puppy OS using any of the later versions.
2. Locate the /root/.wine file and delete it which of course renders wine inoperable.
3. Locate your .wine file at /mnt/home and create a symlink to /root/.
4. Next copy or create symlinks at /usr/bin, /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps in the new puppy OS to the other files in the /mnt/home/eSword directory.
5. Now, wine will work again. Of course, if you have other Windows programs installed, a similar procedure will need to be done for each installed program.

This has worked well for my frugal installations and should also work with a full HD installation.

Jim[/quote]

Alas, I used to have a good working version. Something went very wrong in trying to upgrade to Lucid, and I ended up losing everything. So it's a fresh start, which is more annoying than words can express.

If I can work out how to remove Wine, I might try the older version.

Bones

[Jim1911]

What do you mean "corresponding versions"? I got them from dlldump and dropped them into System32. Also, I notice that your MFC42.DLL is in capitals. Does that make a difference? If so, where can I find these?

If I can work out how to remove Wine, I might try the older version.

Bones

Those are fine, mfc42.dll should be in lower case.

You've discovered one of the major disadvantages of a full HD installation. It's easy to backup a save file in a frugal installation. Then just copy it back when you have a problem and you have a fresh installation. Also, it's much easier to update, and use sfs files. Since you are starting over, reconsider using a frugal installation. You can still keep many files out of your save file by installing them to /mnt/home as I described for e-Sword.

To uninstall Wine, just use ppm. Then you may use rox to see if the hidden /root/.wine was removed, if not. delete it. Also, you need to check /usr/share/applications and delete any wine application.desktop files that are still showing up in the menu.

Jim

[bones01]

Hi Jim,

I'm now trying a frugal install,(4.3.1) but having no luck. When I click to install, the Install Wizard comes up, and all looks good, but then it closes. Looking at .wine/drive_c/program files doesn't show e-Sword at all.

I'm sure I've added the dlls and altered the two dlls as per instructions but am not getting through.

Any other suggestion?

Thanks for your patience.

Bones

[Jim1911]

Hi bones,

Hi Jim,
I'm now trying a frugal install,(4.3.1) but having no luck. When I click to install, the Install Wizard comes up, and all looks good, but then it closes. Looking at .wine/drive_c/program files doesn't show e-Sword at all.
I'm sure I've added the dlls and altered the two dlls as per instructions but am not getting through.
Any other suggestion?
Thanks for your patience.
Bones

On your frugal installation, please do a search, since this problem has many discussions. If you don't find an answer, start a new thread, and I'll be happy to respond there. I always do a manual installation (just mount the iso file and use rox to copy files to a new pup directory) and edit the menu.lst which is usually successful with any pup.

On the e-Sword issue. Were you successful in removing and reinstalling Wine? What happens when you run the setup960.exe?

Jim

[bones01]

When I run setup960, the install wizard starts, but nothing finishes. When I use 'pfind' to see if there is anything on the system, it finds e-Sword.msi in a hidden folder inside .wine/drive_C . . . . . but clicking on that does nothing.

So I'm dazed and confused.

I'll keep trying for a while and start a new thread if I need to.

Bones

[bones01]

Hi Jim,

I've just tried again on the 4.3.1 Frugal. I've completely uninstalled wine, and double checked to make sure it was gone, then installed wine-1.1.40-i486.pet. This then downloaded Gecko as it does.

As far as I can tell, Wine is exactly where it should be.

I've placed the .dll files where required, changed the others to native (windows) as required, but an install seems to end up here:

/root/.wine/drive_c/users/root/Local Settings/Application Data/Downloaded Installations/{DB994397-37D5-47CA-A94C-DA3539AAF1E5}/e-Sword.msi

Apart from this, nothing is happening.

What is really frustrating is how well it worked when I first tried it last year.

If anything seems obvious to you, please let me know.

And thanks for your patience.

Bones

[bones01]

Jim, I finally got it to work. Here's what I did on the full install of 5.0.1

Made sure that Wine had gone completely. Then used the 'quickpet' to download the latest wine. Used WineTricks to get the two .dll files - at least once I learned that alt-click will drag the immensely long winetricks page.

Rebooted just to make sure it was all there, and all looked good.

Then went to wineconfig to alter the riched and oleaut dlls. Being sure this was right I made sure I left the wineconfig box open before trying to install setup960.

I also only clicked once to install.

It's there. It works. I'm happy!

Whether I had a dodgy wine (which sounds funny for someone who doesn't drink) or a corrupt dll, I don't know. But that doesn't matter now.

Thanks again for your ongoing support.

Bones

[Jim1911]

Jim, I finally got it to work. Here's what I did on the full install of 5.0.1

Made sure that Wine had gone completely. Then used the 'quickpet' to download the latest wine. Used WineTricks to get the two .dll files - at least once I learned that alt-click will drag the immensely long winetricks page.

Rebooted just to make sure it was all there, and all looked good.

Then went to wineconfig to alter the riched and oleaut dlls. Being sure this was right I made sure I left the wineconfig box open before trying to install setup960.

I also only clicked once to install.

It's there. It works. I'm happy!

Whether I had a dodgy wine (which sounds funny for someone who doesn't drink) or a corrupt dll, I don't know. But that doesn't matter now.

Thanks again for your ongoing support.

Bones

Great, do your graphics work? That's neat using WineTricks to get the extra .dll files, I had not discovered how to scroll through that list.

Thanks for the update,
Jim

[bones01]

I don't think the graphics are working, but I haven't yet d/l any maps etc.

I'm amazed I can actually help someone I only learned about scrolling the winetricks thing by accident.

[bones01]

Yes Jim, the graphics are working fine. In fact, everything is working. I might be too scared to change anything ever again!

Bones

[Jim1911]

Just make a backup of your /root/.wine folder and put it in a safe place. Then you will be able to easily restore it.

[bones01]

Having finally got this up and working on the full install, I then did something terrible and can't get into Lucid now!!! Oh the frustration!

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 479#430479

So, I've installed Quirky 1.00 as a frugal, and have had the same trouble as before in trying to get e-Sword up and running. However, I seem to have had some success this morning.

Installed wine 1.2-rc4 as .sfs from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 5&start=45

I have found that the only way I can get things working is to use WineTricks to get msls31 & mfc42 .dll files. This also seems to grab some other .dll files, but I don't know how significant that is.

I also downloaded a new copy of e-sword from e-sword.net Again, I don't know if that would make a difference or not.

Anyway, it's working and the graphics are working too.

I did try to copy the .wine file as you suggested, but there were some errors, so it didn't work. I'll try with this one too.

Cheers

Bones

[Jim1911]

Hi bones01,

The primary approach that I use after a successful installation is to move .wine to mnt/home and then copy a link to /root/. This keeps the wine programs out of the save file (less danger of corruption) and provides the flexibility to use it with different pups. I still place the other needed files in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps, of course they could be moved to an e-Sword directory in mnt/home and linked back to the proper locations.

Glad that you got it working again.

Jim