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#41 Post by Béèm »

01micko wrote:
Didn't realize it immediately, but the icon backgrounds aren't transparant, but black.
I remember something about 16-bit in xorg solved this, so I did run xorgwizard.
Yes .. narrowed down to a JWM issue.. Barry has mailed Joe Wing about this one, although, by all reports, latest xorg (7.5?) is still buggy, especially with Intel chipsets.. (kattman :wink: )

Cheers
Well, I wonder if xorg isn't in it for something also.
Reason I say, I have a wine program. In 24-bit icons used are correct.
As I switched to 16-bit for the Lucid (and quirky) issue I just realized, that in this wine program the icons aren't correct any more.
And don't laugh, some icons have a black background instead of a transparent one.

Strange no?
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#42 Post by Jim1911 »

01micko wrote:I then unsquashed lupu-002.sfs and edited the /etc/rc.d/rc.shudown script. That was simple because puppy in the older 2 series supported saving to ext3, ie pupsave.3fs. I just uncommented the lines and the "if" statement. No choice, just detects what ext fs you have and installs 2 for 2 and 3 for 3. No ext4 support. This is where tazoc's shutdown script will come in. Then resquashed.
Great, but I don't think that it will be that simple to change the rc_shutdown script. Consider a PM to tazoc, he initially had a problem with frugal installations on an NTFS or FAT32 partition, this was discovered with his initial release of 443G which he had to pull and update. Have you tried it on an NTFS partition?

I'm glad that you've taken an interest in this because when you do, you are determined to see it to a successful conclusion. My code knowledge is so minuscule that all I can do is help test your solutions.

Thanks,
Jim :)

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#43 Post by Béèm »

Jim1911 wrote:
playdayz wrote:jim1911, Would it be possible to write brief instructions about how to do this. I would personally want to try it. It might be something Barry would consider for inclusion in Puppy 5.
A better source of information is to PM kirk and tazoc. As I stated Kirk's Fatdog 64 creates a pupsave.3fs file by default and Tazoc's Lighthouse 443Gu1 gives a choice. I don't know how their scripts are set up to accomplish that for the save files. Also they have to modify the init file in intrd.gz in order for the save file to mount properly.

This is how I accomplish the change manually thanks to Mikeb's help.

1. Converting ext2 files,
To alter an existing (backed up) pupsave use

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tune2fs -j /path/to/pup_save.2fs
Then rename to .3fs.

2. When booted, running the command mount should show it mounted as 3fs. To accomplish this, the init file in initrd.gz needs to be edited so that the 3fs save file properly boots.

3. This procedure shows how to unpack and repack initrd.gz ( the Pizzasgood way, I think ) Place the initrd.gz file that is to be edited in a temp directory.

a. Unpack
cd to temp directory containing initrd.gz then execute

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mkdir initrd-tree 
cd initrd-tree/ 
zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -i -d 
b. Modifying init ---Locate the init file that was unpacked and is now in the initrd-tree directory.
Search for ' -t ext2' - this will pick up the commands
where pup_save gets mounted as -t ext2 and you change it to -t ext3

c. Repack
cd again to initrd-tree then execute

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rm ../initrd.gz 
find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip -9 > ../initrd.gz 
I've followed this procedure with 431, 432, dpup, upup, Lighthouse (earlier releases), Stardust, Lucid 002, and others and found that in init, three lines like that need to be changed. All of the above I've run using a pupsave.3fs on ext3 and ext4 partitions with no problems.

Use mount command to confirm that the 3fs is mounted properly.

Thanks again for considering 3fs save files.
Jim
I applied the procedure, but I am not sure about the last part to check with mount.
The save file being on a ext2 partition sdb7 this one is mounted as ext2
How can I verify the save file then?

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bash-3.00# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,relatime)
/dev/sdb7 on /initrd/mnt/dev_save type ext2 (rw,noatime,errors=continue)
/dev/loop1 on /initrd/pup_rw type ext2 (rw,noatime,errors=continue)
/dev/loop0 on /initrd/pup_ro2 type squashfs (ro,noatime)
/dev/loop4 on /initrd/pup_ro4 type squashfs (ro,noatime)
/dev/loop5 on /initrd/pup_ro5 type squashfs (ro,noatime)
unionfs on / type aufs (rw,relatime,si=830ba57d)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=63516k)
none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=2,mode=620)
none on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
shmfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=58432k)
none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,relatime)
bash-3.00#

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PUPMODE=12
PDEV1=''
DEV1FS=''
PUPSFS='sdb7,ext2,/lupu-002.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sdb7,ext2,/lupusave-R40_upup_Lucid_002-org.3fs'
PMEDIA=''
#v3.97: kernel with libata pata has both sata and pata drives in ATADRIVES...
ATADRIVES='sda '
#these directories are unionfs layers in /initrd...
SAVE_LAYER='/pup_rw'
PUP_LAYER='/pup_ro2'
#The partition that has the lupusave file is mounted here...
PUP_HOME='/mnt/dev_save'
#(in /initrd) ...note, /mnt/home is a link to it.
#this file has extra kernel drivers and firmware...
ZDRV=''
#complete set of modules in the initrd (moved to main f.s.)...
ZDRVINIT='no'
PSWAPFILE=''
PSAVEMARK=''
FASTPARTS='sda1|ntfs sda2|vfat '
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#44 Post by Jim1911 »

Béèm wrote:I applied the procedure, but I am not sure about the last part to check with mount. The save file being on a ext2 partition sdb7 this one is mounted as ext2
How can I verify the save file then?
I have no idea about your mount results, have never converted a pupsave.2fs to 3fs and checked mount on an ext2 partition. Why convert a pupsave.2fs to 3fs when you are using it on an ext2 partition?

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#45 Post by Béèm »

Jim1911 wrote:
Béèm wrote:I applied the procedure, but I am not sure about the last part to check with mount. The save file being on a ext2 partition sdb7 this one is mounted as ext2
How can I verify the save file then?
I have no idea about your mount results, have never converted a pupsave.2fs to 3fs and checked mount on an ext2 partition. Why convert a pupsave.2fs to 3fs when you are using it on an ext2 partition?
I had the impression you had done this 2fs -> 3fs experiment.
Because in quite some threads a 2fs save file is considered unstable due to unclean unmounts. And this is my experience also.
The advice was given to better use a journaling file system like a 3fs.
It's not because the host, in my case the sdb7, is a ext2 partition that a save file automatically is a ext2 file system as well. A save file, be it a 2fs of 3fs file system can be on a partition like ntfs, vfat, ext2 etc....
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#46 Post by 01micko »

BarryK wrote:Hmmm, yes, I'll consider that next time I compile the kernel. 2.6.30+ allows the default to be set to "ordered":
aarf wrote:who told you BK bites?
Um.. I don't know..

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Jim1911 wrote:Great, but I don't think that it will be that simple to change the rc_shutdown script. Consider a PM to tazoc, he initially had a problem with frugal installations on an NTFS or FAT32 partition, this was discovered with his initial release of 443G which he had to pull and update. Have you tried it on an NTFS partition?
I'm grabbing the LHP F>>Gu1 delta now to upgrade my 443F iso and will take a first hand look at tazoc's mods to the scripts and will PM him with any questions I have .. Thanks Jim
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#47 Post by Béèm »

Jim1911 wrote:
Béèm wrote:I applied the procedure, but I am not sure about the last part to check with mount. The save file being on a ext2 partition sdb7 this one is mounted as ext2
How can I verify the save file then?
I have no idea about your mount results, have never converted a pupsave.2fs to 3fs and checked mount on an ext2 partition. Why convert a pupsave.2fs to 3fs when you are using it on an ext2 partition?
Jim, I see now it was 01micko who said he would do the test.
Sorry about the confusion.
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#48 Post by Lobster »

Additional software installed and working fine.
That's good news :)
Does it install from the puppy package manager?
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#49 Post by playdayz »

Hi Lobster,

I think the answer would be "sometimes." However, I do that very infrequently myself. Most of the binaries are from Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx, and when I want to try something different, I get it from the ubuntu.packages.com (the Lucid Lynx repositories). I also install things direct from the creators, such as Opera, Firefox, Iron, Flashplayer and so forth. I know the htop pet works because I use that, but remember that Puppy 4.0 is built with T2 rather than these Ubuntu binaries. One thing we do is to keep a list in the first message of the thread with links to programs that have been tested to work (in the thread for Karmic, not in this thread yet). That list could become the basis of a Lucid Puppy repo if more people were interested.

With uPup we have been tracking Woof, so when Barry puts that capability in Woof it will show up here. I see why you ask--it would be nice if it did--and the work could be done to make it so--but I have enough keeping up with woof and Ubuntu Lucid now. I regard Lucid Puppy as experimental those who want easy install from PPM should probably stay with the Official Puppy.

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#50 Post by 01micko »

Hi playdayz

One thing.. no devx yet :wink:

Cheers

edit... Lucid Puppy 5.0 eh? 8) http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01457

We better get compiling .. :)
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#51 Post by Lobster »

PPM should probably stay with the Official Puppy
You just went official 8)

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy5

I have not used Upup for a while
- now is my chance :)
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#52 Post by playdayz »

You just went official


Yes, Lobster, that will change many things.

Here is the first change. There will be one thread for "Bug Reports, Well Documented." Then there will be a second forum named "Bug Reports + Fixes, Well Documented." If someone finds a bug they can report it in the first forum, and then if they find the fix themselves they can report that in the second forum. Also, the many other people who we will need to help find fixes can look in the first forum for possible projects, and then they can find the fix and post in the second forum. I will work from the second forum as much as possible. There will be a third forum for general suggestions and discussion. I will be starting these forums later today.

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#53 Post by tazoc »

@all,
Thank you for your efforts with Lucid Puppy. This looks very promising.
Jim1911 wrote:Consider a PM to tazoc, he initially had a problem with frugal installations on an NTFS or FAT32 partition, this was discovered with his initial release of 443G which he had to pull and update. Have you tried it on an NTFS partition?
True, when I first updated the initscript I confused the fstype of the host part with the fstype of the pupsave in 4.43G, and fixed it in 4.43Gu1. I also experimented with ext4 pupsaves (the code for that is commented out in rc.shutdown because they were unstable--possibly because of the 2.6.30.5 kernel and/or e2fsprogs in LHP 4.43.) Based on Barry's earlier work on a pup_save.3fs I opted to only offer ext3 pupsaves on journaled Linux host partitions.
aarf wrote:FYI Attention! Using Puppy4.3x with ext3 is dangerous by default
The LHP shutdown script applies 'tune2fs -o journal_data_ordered <name of pupsave.3fs>' as soon as the ext3 pupsave is created. I manually do the same with my ext3/4 host partitions. I'm happy with ext3 pupsaves in LHP.
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#54 Post by stu90 »

In the puppy package manager -ubuntu-lucid-main and -ubuntu-lucid-mainpre am i supposed to be seeing all ubuntu packages as if i was running a full blow ubuntu?

I have nothing in any category in ubuntu-lucid-mainpre
and ubuntu-lucid-main there are just things in the desktop category.

looking in configure i see a futher 4 ubuntu lucid repositories
multiverse/pre
universe/pre
do i need to add these?

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#55 Post by nooby »

Lucid Puppy 002, like Lucid Puppy 001, like Dpup, like Upup like a pup me forgotten which name it had are different from all the other 20 out of 25 puppies me tested on my one year old Compaq desktop. See signature

These modern puppies are not working good on streaming video or clips that is demanding.

All the other 20 just work flawlessly.

I did not have any good example. Australia and Canada and Sweden and Hulu and so on all ahve copyrights that makes it impoosible to see them without pretending to be in that country.

Took me an hour of intensive search. finally I realized that CNN wants to be seen by anybody.

So I found this link.

http://www.cnn.com/video/

Now that one get too old fast. They will change the content.

But I looked at two clips there.

New Red Bulls soccer Stadium and it was not so obvious on that one but if one know what to look for one see the difference if one compare with a standard 431.

Now the clip that really made a difference obvious was this one.

Hanging carnival Riders Rescued.

Choppy is the best word for it so far. I named it delayed or wave like making one feel sea sick almost.

When I look in pupy431std it looks like the camera man wanted it to look.
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#56 Post by Béèm »

No streaming problem with http://www.cnn.com/video/ in quirky 13.
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Can Lucid Puppy access Ubuntu repositories?

#57 Post by carolus »

Will Lucid Puppy include APT and have no-hassle apt-get access to Ubuntu repositories? If I understand correctly, dpup aims for that kind of access to debian repositories.

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#58 Post by James C »

Did a fresh frugal install of 002 earlier today.Installed Firefox 3.6 from the Ubuntu repository w/ the package manager as well as Google Chrome by downloading the Ubuntu deb from the Google site.Other than needing to do a little work on the menu entries both browsers appear to be working well.

No problem with streaming video here either. :)

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#59 Post by aarf »

Lupu002 looks much like quirky010 with the same x24 black backgrounds but 30mb+ bigger. Went looking 4 the extras but cant allocate it.
Sound but with no images for downloaded mp4 in gxine.
Opera10.51 portable browses in x24 colour only.
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#60 Post by aarf »

Lupu002 pwidgets2.2.5 goes in without the script modifications needed in quirky010.

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