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#21 Post by Béèm »

Ho ho, are we allowed to follow at that speed? :wink:
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#22 Post by Jim1911 »

Hi playdayz,

You are the fast one! :o CUPS worked for my HP C5280 fine. You were so quick, that I didn't bother to create a new pupsave, The update went smoothly and everything that I'd added is working fine.

Incidently, I've installed this on an ext4 partition and will be converting the pupsave to 3fs and editing the initrd.gz file so that it will properly mount. Several pups are already setup for using 3fs save files that work fine with the journaling capabilities of ext3/4. Kirk's Fatdog 64 defaults to 3fs. Tazoc's Lighthouse allows a choice upon save of 2fs or 3fs. There may be others. Please consider adding this capability.

Thanks,
Jim :D

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#23 Post by playdayz »

jim1911, Would it be possible to write brief instructions about how to do this. I would personally want to try it. It might be something Barry would consider for inclusion in Puppy 5.

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Wireless configuration not persistent between boots.

#24 Post by Béèm »

For the good order, I booted with pfix=ram.
Configures the wireless connection, which worked file. (SNS)
Created another, new, save file.
Rebooted.

The network configuration wasn't persistent between the boot.
Don't think this is a surprise, as quirky has the same quirk.
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#25 Post by Jim1911 »

playdayz wrote:jim1911, Would it be possible to write brief instructions about how to do this. I would personally want to try it. It might be something Barry would consider for inclusion in Puppy 5.
A better source of information is to PM kirk and tazoc. As I stated Kirk's Fatdog 64 creates a pupsave.3fs file by default and Tazoc's Lighthouse 443Gu1 gives a choice. I don't know how their scripts are set up to accomplish that for the save files. Also they have to modify the init file in intrd.gz in order for the save file to mount properly.

This is how I accomplish the change manually thanks to Mikeb's help.

1. Converting ext2 files,
To alter an existing (backed up) pupsave use

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tune2fs -j /path/to/pup_save.2fs
Then rename to .3fs.

2. When booted, running the command mount should show it mounted as 3fs. To accomplish this, the init file in initrd.gz needs to be edited so that the 3fs save file properly boots.

3. This procedure shows how to unpack and repack initrd.gz ( the Pizzasgood way, I think ) Place the initrd.gz file that is to be edited in a temp directory.

a. Unpack
cd to temp directory containing initrd.gz then execute

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mkdir initrd-tree 
cd initrd-tree/ 
zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -i -d 
b. Modifying init ---Locate the init file that was unpacked and is now in the initrd-tree directory.
Search for ' -t ext2' - this will pick up the commands
where pup_save gets mounted as -t ext2 and you change it to -t ext3

c. Repack
cd again to initrd-tree then execute

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rm ../initrd.gz 
find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip -9 > ../initrd.gz 
I've followed this procedure with 431, 432, dpup, upup, Lighthouse (earlier releases), Stardust, Lucid 002, and others and found that in init, three lines like that need to be changed. All of the above I've run using a pupsave.3fs on ext3 and ext4 partitions with no problems.

Use mount command to confirm that the 3fs is mounted properly.

Thanks again for considering 3fs save files.
Jim
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#26 Post by Béèm »

Jim,

A certain moment I saw the tune2fs part and tried it but wasn't aware of the initrd change to make. So I suppose my trial wasn't effective.
I didn't go on further with it

Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now?
Performance improvement?
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You tube downloader.

#27 Post by Béèm »

Didn't try it before.
When I paste a you tube url in the downloader window, and click download, the download window stays at finding hostname.

Was anybody able to download you tube video's?

EDIT
Oh well.
I forgot about that download window and some time later I saw it wasn't there anymore. But also the clip (a mpeg4) was downloaded and stored
I clicked on it to play.
The sound was ok, but there was no video.

A missing codec?

EDIT1
I just saw the codec needed is H264.

Would it be possible to include codecs like H264 and others as standard, so the installed players can benefit from them.
Specially as those codecs aren't available through the package manager.
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#28 Post by Jim1911 »

Béèm wrote:Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now? Performance improvement?
I'm convinced that 3fs is more stable than 2fs save files and to take advantage of the journaling capabilites of ext3 and ext4, it is essential.
Jim

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#29 Post by Béèm »

Jim1911 wrote:
Béèm wrote:Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now? Performance improvement?
I'm convinced that 3fs is more stable than 2fs save files and to take advantage of the journaling capabilites of ext3 and ext4, it is essential.
Jim
Thank you.
The journaling aspect gives the stability I assume.
When I did my .3fs experience and not knowing of the initrd thing, it worked quite well, until the save got corrupted.
Probably normal then.

I'll try it once more.

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#30 Post by 01micko »

Hello Jim, Béèm, playdayz

Firstly, no immediate problems with 002, straight online.

I'm going to try an experiment. I will edit the initrd.gz with your tweak Jim and do a frugal to an ext3 partition.. then boot without a pupsave and see if it saves it as 3fs... then see if reboots ok. If the file is created as 3fs then it should probably work ok. I will take a thorough look at the init script just to see if there is anything that might trip up this experiment.

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#31 Post by Jim1911 »

01micko wrote:I'm going to try an experiment. I will edit the initrd.gz with your tweak Jim and do a frugal to an ext3 partition.. then boot without a pupsave and see if it saves it as 3fs... then see if reboots ok. If the file is created as 3fs then it should probably work ok. I will take a thorough look at the init script just to see if there is anything that might trip up this experiment.
You may want to take a look at Tazoc's and Kirk's changes to their init files. You should have Tazoc's, if you haven't got Kirk's I should be able to post it here.
Jim

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#32 Post by 01micko »

Thanks Jim

I may take a look at tazoc's init... and shutdown script.. of course that is where the pupsave is created.

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#33 Post by Jim1911 »

01micko wrote:I may take a look at tazoc's init... and shutdown script.. of course that is where the pupsave is created.
Great, his scripts are fine starting points and pertinent sections may be able to be used as is.
Cheers,
Jim

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#34 Post by 01micko »

Hi all

My experiment is a success :) .. and I haven't looked at tazoc'z scripts yet.

I applied your changes to init Jim, no problem.

I then unsquashed lupu-002.sfs and edited the /etc/rc.d/rc.shudown script. That was simple because puppy in the older 2 series supported saving to ext3, ie pupsave.3fs. I just uncommented the lines and the "if" statement. No choice, just detects what ext fs you have and installs 2 for 2 and 3 for 3. No ext4 support. This is where tazoc's shutdown script will come in. Then resquashed.

As far as init goes, the line(s) where it gets mounted "-t ext2" will have to made a variable.. (I'll see what tazoc did once again) something like "-t $EXTFS" where EXTFS is defined by detecting the pupsave filesystem, not a too difficult task.

It booted fine, saved as ext3 fine and rebooted fine, posting from lupu-002 with ext3 pupsave now.

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#36 Post by 01micko »

Yes aarf, I read that awhile ago, Jim posted there...

The fact is that it is good to have choice. Some users find errors creeping into there pupsaves using ext2, others don't. Maybe it's because of the hardware I don't know, but as Jim said there are certain advantages of using ext3 or ext4, as I'm sure there's other advantages to sticking with ext2.

That post talks about 2.6.30.5 and BK did say he would consider the option change. Does anyone know if BK did change it for 2.6.31.5 plus?

Choices.. :D
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#37 Post by James C »

Running 002 live with a usb save file on my trusty P3 test machine. Installed Firefox 3.6 from the Ubuntu repository and its working fine .........overall no real difficulties to speak of. :)

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Re: Wireless configuration not persistent between boots.

#38 Post by Béèm »

Béèm wrote:For the good order, I booted with pfix=ram.
Configures the wireless connection, which worked file. (SNS)
Created another, new, save file.
Rebooted.

The network configuration wasn't persistent between the boot.
Don't think this is a surprise, as quirky has the same quirk.
Well to my surprise after boot this morning my connection was up and running automatically.
Nice and hope this continues.
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Pidgin and sound

#39 Post by Béèm »

As ayttm crashes, I use Pidgin as IM. In fact I use Pidgin already a long time in all my puppies.

In Lucid there is a problem with sound when entering messages etc..
In puppies using mplayer I can configure Pidgin by configuring mlayer %s
If I configure pidgin with gxine %s, the sound plays but delayed and I have the GUI as well, which disappears after an other delay.
This doesn't arrive with mplayer.

I had in mind in earlier puppies there was also the sound engine xine, but I don't see it in Lucid.

I checked the gxine options, but I don't see anything to play a sound without the GUI.

PPM doesn't show a xine package neither.

Would there be a way to solve this.
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01micko wrote:Yes aarf, I read that awhile ago, Jim posted there...

The fact is that it is good to have choice. Some users find errors creeping into there pupsaves using ext2, others don't. Maybe it's because of the hardware I don't know, but as Jim said there are certain advantages of using ext3 or ext4, as I'm sure there's other advantages to sticking with ext2.

That post talks about 2.6.30.5 and BK did say he would consider the option change. Does anyone know if BK did change it for 2.6.31.5 plus?

Choices.. :D
who told you BK bites?

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