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Official 4.3.2?
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sudhashbahu

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 08:34    Post_subject:  

Please add better power amangement to the next release of Puppy/Quirly: laptop lid open/close, CPU power mode etc.
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tiangeng

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 08:46    Post_subject: quirky应该是最好的  

quirky应该是最好的,虽然我现在一直在使用puppy412。puppy431对无线网络的支持度不大好。
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JaDy

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 08:47    Post_subject:  

Yes, please.

Been following your blog and the forum daily. I will appreciate a new official Puppy from the creator. It will invigorate the perception of Puppy and thus participation. I was worried that Puppy would die on the vine. Your return, even if temporary, is very welcome. So, yes, please.

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adi

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 09:12    Post_subject: more internet aproach
Sub_title: in atention of 432 suite
 

i think a lot of distros reconsider new cloud computing and use of mobile devices. i like the way i watch youtube in 431 but I can hardly install some sound cards with alsa and i find ancient pet pacages for skype or opera. they have kitts on official sites so why not a compatibility with their original istalation kitt?
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Lobster
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 09:15    Post_subject:  


Official 4.3.2?

Yes please. Smile

Technosaurus (4.4) was ill for a while and is now back
4.4 is already in Alpha quite unique
Guy (Dpup) is moving - no internet yet

I tried the recent 4.3.2 woof test build and it was very good
If you add some of the new Quirky scripts - I feel 4.3.2 will be more of an update and improvement than you think

Developing Puppy, using Woof takes time and experience.
(I had a go myself - too stupid) then I found this:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=347022#347022
Fortunately even our newest developer is doing great with Puppeee
- and may move onto Woof power and other netbooks . . .
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48288

So the more time we can give developers the better
New Puppy. New Interest. New developers.

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nooby

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 09:56    Post_subject:  

One thing that is problematic is this conflict with old and new hardware. concentrating to be under 100mb big.

Other distros also have one bloated and one lean and mean.

The bloated maybe could be less bloated if one had the different browsers as extra options. Like Choicepup Pup44 and others already experiment with.

That way one could get a working puppy432 with minimum of applications and then depending on ones need one add those .sfs that have the features that some want and others have no need for. Like Opera, Chrome/Iron, Safari, Skype, Spotify, I have wine and spoticfy now on 431 and love it but I know that others could care less than me about such.

I would prefer the 432 to have Firefox latest as the default browser. I trust that most migraters from Windows expect FF to be the main browser. Those who love Seamonkey and IceApe and such can download them by their own.

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shariebeth

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 10:26    Post_subject:  

Artie wrote:
I think the best tactic would be for Barry to continue improving on the basic official versions of Puppy with the aid of the whole community and release one of those with a few months gap. This would be the simple basic version with no bling or extra window managers etc., just bug and security fixes and program updates. Then leave it to community members like TazOC and zigbert and others to do their own excellent versions built on Barrys backporting their improvements into the official Puppy.
As a linux and puppy newbie, I agree with this. This would give everyone a consistent regularly-updated working base model, and let us dabble and test the others as our abilities grow and allow. Right now it's just too confusing with all the variants. I've been hanging out in the #puppylinux channel and I am an avid forum reader as well, and I see that puppy definitely attracts a lot of linux newbies who are interested in learning, but are scared off by having a hard time getting started.
And the packages included definitely need updating.

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As it is now information is scattered all over the web and there's no consistency in the presentation of the material.
Oh yes, this definitely needs to be a priority. I consider myself to have pretty good search skills and the information found is either 5 years old or scattered in 10 places with one solution needing 10 links to solve. It's currently rough out there.

Also I have seen elsewhere mention of #puppylinux being removed from the auto-include/start-up feature in new versions. Please don't do that, the concept was a stroke of genius. It is a fantastic resource and opportunity for new users, and yet it is totally underdeveloped and barely managed. I see so many brilliant and helpful people in these forums that would be phenomenal in that channel. It would be nice to see those people offering their help there as well. (It also needs more regular and active chanops, 2 people can't do it there alone.)
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 11:33    Post_subject:
Sub_title: up to the Commodore, really..
 

@et al - many good points (pro and con, Laughing tcl/tk and some sort of qt is 'order of the day' for me since one day when gtk2 had a hissy-fit and let's see, what apps have an easy ui if gtk is down Wink , ditto that for inbred solitary wms etc).

Browser 'wars' is self-defeating - sm is the traditional oob 'bang-for-buck' optimization and pleases the FOSSvolker and their geckoes (more-or-less). Also a good tradition is the 100mb 'limit', some few zip100's are still out there on older hwr (interesting media).

Development progresses with testers and involvement ('google aversion' may be a blessing/curse depending on the relative viewpoint Neutral , any testing environment benefits from xdelta Smile whenever it's feasible imo .. hmmz, q010 should be due momentarily Very Happy )
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tlchost

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 12:06    Post_subject:  

I think a 4.3.2 with bug fixes, updated apps and the ability to use a larger number of sfs files would be great.

New Linux users would benefit from a "Works out of the Box" OS that can be put to use as soon as installed.

Thanks for requesting input.

Thom
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 12:18    Post_subject:  

Great! Very Happy

Please consider including the ability to create a pupsave as 2fs/3fs/4fs depending on the partition that it is installed or user choice. Also, update the initrd.gz so that they are mounted properly for journaling.

Thanks,
Jim
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 12:31    Post_subject:  

I think Puppy 432 should be one with no changes other than bug fixes and the autosetup of networking is nice.
There are a lot of Puppy users present and future who only have a dial-up connection. So keeping the size of the ISO small helps too.
As to those that want FireFox or Opera or Chrome, they can install it as an addon.
This goes for any wanted program.
The real problem I see is that there is no single place to get the addon software and required libraries that that software needs.
Even after using Puppy since 2007, I still have to search the forum and Puppy sites trying to find the software and supporting files/libraries needed to make it work.
Pet package makers often have added support files and libraries installed on Puppy and do not think that someone with the base version of Puppy does not have them.
One thing I will add though. Support for SeaMonkey 1.xx has been discontinued so an update to the latest stable version would be a good inclusion.
That is if you want to keep the original look and feel of Puppy.

And, can the issue of "no xxx.SFS file found be fixed?
I still see a lot of posts on it.
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aragon

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 12:39    Post_subject:  

BarryK wrote:
I did build an experimental 4.3.2 recently, which was reasonably sane. So, I could do another one then start a forum thread so we can thrash out the bugs, then it will become a gap-filler official release -- something to fill the void until 4.4 or even 5.0 comes along.

although i see your point about a 'gap-filler', i don't think that this is needed. there might be a gap in comparison to former release-cycles but that should be no problem. so if your only impetus is gap-filling, don't do it.

BUT 4.32 as a bugfix-release and follower of 4.31 and 4.30 would make sense to me, as this would be a model that is sometimes missing in puppy (my opinion).

4.4 will be a 'new' version, whereas 4.32 is a 'better' 4.31 that is a 'better' 4.30. squish out the bugs, incorporate woof updates make evolution. if a bugfix-release is easy to build, build it.

and if you do a bugfix-release you wont step on anyones toes...

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 12:43    Post_subject:  

i will translate my reply at the bk blog into something resembling coherence

yes, if there is a real reason to

no, if it is merely for appearance's sake

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Henry

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 13:38    Post_subject:  

Yes!

I have been using Puppy for serious business for years, and would like to see further refinement of the mainline. Specifically I am using Nop 4.3.1 r2, heavily customised for my business.

If you bring out 4.3.2 I'll bet (and hope) that gray will quickly offer an Xfce Nop based on it, An upgrade to that would be the only new puppy that I would seriously and enthusiastically adopt now.

Henry
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rokytnji


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar 2010, 14:14    Post_subject:  

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should I come back in and bring out 4.3.2?

I did build an experimental 4.3.2 recently, which was reasonably sane. So, I could do another one then start a forum thread so we can thrash out the bugs, then it will become a gap-filler official release -- something to fill the void until 4.4 or even 5.0 comes along.


I think so. The more eyes and gear on this. The more that will be found out and apply to later releases. I have no druthers when it comes to what works or doesn't work out of the box. That is what testing is for.

So I for one hope you join the fray again BK.
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