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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jan 2010, 17:44    Post subject:  

Any updates on status of puppy 4.4 CE?
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jan 2010, 19:03    Post subject:  

I have been trying to go through the bug reports and knock out as many as I can... unfortunately they are hard to track in a single thread as here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47563

its easier to track them individually as I set up here:
http://code.google.com/p/puppy-development/issues/list
I have transferred quite a few and plucked the low-hanging fruit.

Any help knocking these out will speed things along.

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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2010, 08:47    Post subject:  

It really is a long time between project start and first release, by Puppy standards anyway!

Do you think it would be useful to produce an alpha BEFORE all the known bugs are squashed so that we can see how things are going and provide an input? An alpha is not expected to be bug free.

We might be waiting a long time if you expect to get the tricky bugs resolved before first alpha.

Any chance of committing to a first alpha release date, whatever the bug status, so we can all get excited!

Just a thought.
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Aitch


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2010, 14:11    Post subject:  

Techno

I'd like to pitch in at this point, before anything else happens

Please guys, remember the bad feeling left by what happened with WhoDo, who thankfully returned, but I would say, that,

Each person who takes on the task of a Puppy release for the community, HAS THEIR OWN STYLE/SPEED/WAY OF DOING THINGS

& long may it remain so!

Techno, please don't get flustered or upset by all or any 'demands' made on you...there is no right way, or Puppy way, [other than as done by BK].....only your way

You have MY full support, immaterial of others 'preferences to have you do different'

Good Luck & stay on your own track!

....but don't be afraid to delegate things as you can.... Wink

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2010, 14:44    Post subject:  

hi techno maybe if your doing everything behind closed doors, how about maybe just posting log list of bugs you've solved/have left, or updates/removals etc. Feel free to take your time and don't feel any pressure about release dates, I wouldn't commit to any, Its stressful enough fixing things without bringing to the table deadlines.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jan 2010, 22:33    Post subject:  More questions and suggestions  

Questions:
Does the double click system in puppy is implemented?
Does the PPM can upgrade and downgrade installed packages?


Suggestions: (If it is possible)
Include the SFS installer for ease of installation in SFS modules on full installed puppy (for more details about the SFS installer check this topic http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=44765). And also the Pcompile for creating PET packages form source code easily due to GUI frontend (for more details about Pcompile check out this topic http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=193212299&t=41758).
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jan 2010, 22:51    Post subject: Re: More questions and suggestions  

mistfire wrote:
Questions:
Does the double click system in puppy is implemented?


you can do that on any puppy version
right click on any open rox-filer window
click Options in the menu it displays
under "filer options" untick "Use Single-click Navigation"
like the image below
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jan 2010, 23:02    Post subject: Re: More questions and suggestions  

mistfire wrote:
Questions:

Does the PPM can upgrade and downgrade installed packages?
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every time you install a package the package manager makes a log of the parts located in /root/.packages, If techno was to do as you mentioned, he would have to include hundreds of these files, it would take a lot of time and wasted space, PetBeGone might be a way to go for that, but the 0pkgs_db-4.4.pet would have to made. 0pkgs_db-4.21.pet was 350kb

hmmm if it was made in advanced before the release, PetBeGone could be included with a slight adjustment that enables a check, if the db-4.4 was installed then great it operates and if it doesn't located, it could offer to download it from the ibiblio repo and install it. that would save 350kb+

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mistfire

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:07    Post subject: Re: ttuxxx  

Okay, I see that rox-filer has double-click options. It is better to enable it by default, great for using touchpads on laptops. If upgrading or downgrading of packages in PPM is tend to be impossible, what if apply these procedure in PPM during upgrading:

If the PPM detects that there is a previously installed packages (old versioned package). the installed files will put back to pet packages (or any types of packages) and deleted old installed files. Then the new one will be installed (just like ejecting an old disc, and insert a new one). What you think?
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:21    Post subject:  

it just masks (whites out) the READ ONLY files using the union on frugal or overwrites them if a full install - only the new files are used and any extras are left in place (trust me this is better sometimes puppy has helper scripts that supplement a package - try running gparted for an example) to remove a package entirely just install it first and then uninstall (petbgone does not work in woof based systems yet)
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:21    Post subject: Re: ttuxxx  

mistfire wrote:
Okay, I see that rox-filer has double-click options. It is better to enable it by default, great for using touchpads on laptops. If upgrading or downgrading of packages in PPM is tend to be impossible, what if apply these procedure in PPM during upgrading:



Most don't want double click, Linux is single click, MS is double click. but if 4.4CE has a First-run default selector, that could be an option.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jan 2010, 00:59    Post subject: Control Center
Subject description: Control Center for Puppy 4.4 CE
 

Zigbert has been working on a Control Center for Puppy. He is using it in his Puppy Stardust.

It is EXCELLENT!!!!!

He is also doing a new way to handle menus. He has realy gone all out with how menus work in Puppy.

Check out his new Puppy Stardust 006.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51692
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan 2010, 22:24    Post subject: discusssion  

Yes, zigbert's control center is excellent. It is better to unify all the puppy system settings for convience and by the way. I noticed that the rox-filer development is slow. I wonder if the puppy develpers can fork it to create a new file manager which is more easier to manage files and navigate (if it is possible). Check my post about my suggestions on improvements or rox-filer http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=50911
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nooby

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 12:48    Post subject:  

Is this the right place to ask a newbie question about the Puppy 4.4 CE development?

first a bug report. Despite it asked me to choose the local country here Sweden and despite me made a save file it did not save the country keyboard.

So maybe it is a bug there.
I need to do setxkbmap se each time I boot.

Can I write something in the menu.lst that do the same thing as
setxkbmap se and where does one put it? kernel line?


I see that you guys have a button for using .tcz repository.

that is great. I got firefox going on TC when I tested it using their rep so even a complete newbie would manage it even easier on pup44ce

But as a newbie I feel unsure. Will it work as sfs files do that one use them only when wanted or will they be added and saved by the default save files so that of one reconsider to have a tcz thing and want to delete it then one need to start all over with pfix=ram or can one tell it to not load that special tcz?

If I get it.

Dpup is Debian rep
Spup is a Slackware rep version?
Tpup is TinyCore rep aka Puppy 4.4CE
Upup is Ubuntu rep

Kind of cool.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 16:21    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote
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petbgone does not work in woof based systems yet)

It's that small word "yet" that intrigues me. PetBeGone was pizzasgood's project but I doubt he is going to modify it to work with woof puppys. So do you intend to do this yourself?
Woof may be a great improvement for builders but for every one developer there are doubtless thousands of users who would like to be able to uninstall, not just install, their choice of apps. IMHO PetBeGone was a wonderful app and it's a real blow that it can't be used now.

I'd appreciate knowing your opinions.
Thanks
Dave
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