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James C


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 02:10    Post subject:  

Stardust 011 is still running fine......and I'm downloading the pre-alpha as I post this. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 02:13    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
Stardust is 99% incorporated with the first pre-alpha of 4.4CE
I'll make an announcement tomorrow, but I am too tired now... so enjoy
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com/files/pup-431-2.iso


LOL........ Never would have guessed Smile (UK irony)

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 04:16    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
Stardust is 99% incorporated with the first pre-alpha of 4.4CE
I'll make an announcement tomorrow, but I am too tired now... so enjoy
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com/files/pup-431-2.iso

stardust isn't the base is it? There's too many changes/files deleted, plus CE version are usually official versions, and should be able to be built with woof, where as Stardust from What I take of it isn't built with woof.
Some of the updated features would be good.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 05:32    Post subject:  

I'm trying to sit on the fence here.
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Ziggy has removed a lot of stuff from 4.3.1 to make Stardust

Now as far as I can tell this is to make room for his apps and changes of core apps as in 4.3.1. See his list on first page.
These are his personal preferences.

I don't think it can claim to be a 4.3.1 with cosmetic changes, too many changes have been made for that. Too much removed.

Perhaps its more accurate description is a new Puplet.

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I'm with tuuxxx on this one regarding 4.4CE.

It should be based on 431 official also but if you want to incorporate Ziggys improvements to the menu etc structure, then be prepared for the iso to grow in size.

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On a personal note -

I can never get my head around this obsession with 100mb. I would still be happy at 120mb or so and I don't think Puppy would suffer. Some nice features get dropped for sake of a few meg.
However, I can see we don't want a bloated Puppy.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 07:57    Post subject:  

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I can never get my head around this obsession with 100mb.

It all started when DSL determined to stick to 50Mb .iso so that the OS would fit on credit card CDs which were in vogue a few years back. Then the target became the 7cm miniCDs where the 100Mb limit would still permit some limited space for data, eg .sfs in this case. So there is/was a certain logic. Additionally, much of the world, including large sectors of the US and Oz outback are still on DUN. Even an 100Mb distro needs to be chopped up for those folks. In my opinion, insufficient effort is expended with many Puppy derivatives to keep the inventory low. SliTaz and TinyCore take the view that a few basic utilities and a browser with access to a good package manager are all that's needed to enable users to build a substantial system to suit their individual needs. Nevertheless, there is scope for 'compact' distros where the developers have carefully chosen a well-matched selection of apps. These are likely to appeal to neophytes.
Then, every engineer, even software ones, are taught the K.I.S.S. principle. As you know, the most elegant solutions to the most complex concepts are generally summarised in the simplest of fomulae; I am thinking particularly of E=mc^2 and 42 !
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 08:56    Post subject:  

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technosaurus wrote:

Stardust is 99% incorporated with the first pre-alpha of 4.4CE
I'll make an announcement tomorrow, but I am too tired now... so enjoy
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com/files/pup-431-2.iso


Oh pre-alpha of 4.4CE that sounds interesting.

Could you please see to that Firewall button works and uncheck the indexing in boot in Control Center.

What I love about Stardust is that it do the wired connection out of the box. On some puppies it is almost impossible to get wired going.

But I agree with others that to name it pup-431-2 seems to be misleading due to Stardust being so different from the pup-431Std that everybody is used to.

to name it pup-4.4CE seems okay with me.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 09:46    Post subject:  

Am I missing something?

Nooby, I tried a fresh install and tried Firewall. It installed OK and then I went to services and it turned on and off OK.
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Sage,

Ah, 42, I should have known Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 09:54    Post subject:  

I think technosaurus's point there was that it was considered an update to 431 but in pre-alpha form.

Once finalised it would be released as 4.4CE which always seems to parallel BKs Puppy.

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Sage,
You reminded me, I have a box of the mini DVD-R with 1.3gig capacity lying around.
I originally got them to hand out a few derivatives of Puppy but I got the boot system wrong and never moved further.
Maybe a time to try again.

At the moment my favourite version is Lighthouse Pup with Mariner and KDE2 although it can crash on closing occasionally (easy fix) It won't run KDE3 though, on my machine, that causes a screw up of the install.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 10:11    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
Stardust is 99% incorporated with the first pre-alpha of 4.4CE
I'll make an announcement tomorrow, but I am too tired now... so enjoy
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com/files/pup-431-2.iso

- Abiword 2.8.2
- Gnumeric 1.10
- Gparetd 0.5.1
- Fbreader
......and ONLY 98Mb - I AM IMPRESSED!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

What would be the easiest way for you to updated the Stardust Desktop Environment? There are still some issues, and I will at least release 013 before switching to Puppy 4.4. Is it ok for you to get a zipped pack as the one in Stardust 011, or is there an easier way for you? You have a lot to do, so offering code the way YOU want it, is absolutely preferable.


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 11:33    Post subject:  

just a simple tarball is fine - I may eventually modify things just a bit anyways so that it starts up with the Orange theme and blue background preinstalled (complementary colors that contrast well) while the installer runs slightly more backgrounded
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 11:51    Post subject:
Subject description: prelude to a trial..
 

`f00 wrote:
Zig' remarked in the initial article on the pitb behavior of driveicons. Since p400, imo they've become less of a feature and perhaps more of an annoyance -
1) they need a roxpin .. not so good with other wms
Remember that Stardust Desktop Environment is built around JWM (and Rox). No chance to get it work in other wms


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 11:58    Post subject: Re: Searchmonkey
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bigpup wrote:
Have you considered putting Searchmonkey in Stardust?
Considered it, but left it out.

Reason:
The default set of apps in Puppy is designed for average users (not geeks). 'Everyone' have their own unique needs, and will install some extended code. Personally, I would have changed several apps (gimp over mtpaint, inkscape over inklite, ardour over mhwaveedit....), but I don't think any of those fit in a Puppy iso.


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 12:05    Post subject:  

tasmod wrote:
if you want to incorporate Ziggys improvements to the menu etc structure, then be prepared for the iso to grow in size.
Except of Pwidgets (220kb), the size of desktop tools/graphics is smaller in Stardust than in Puppy 4.3.1. In my opinion it both works better and looks nicer. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Feb 2010, 12:10    Post subject:  

tasmod wrote:
I can never get my head around this obsession with 100mb. I would still be happy at 120mb or so and I don't think Puppy would suffer. Some nice features get dropped for sake of a few meg.
What do you miss?


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