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Hansamben - 412 - Kids Linux distro based on Puppy Linux 412
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sidders

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Dec 2009, 17:20    Post subject:  

Here you go

Abiword_format

m$-doc-format

Hopefully all the formatting is still there, there wasnt a lot anyway.
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Puppyt

Joined: 09 May 2008
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Location: Karana Downs, Queensland

PostPosted: Tue 22 Dec 2009, 23:48    Post subject:
Subject description: spreading the 'Word' on HSB
 

Thanks sidders - I was just about to post too on mrtimo's request, but you beat me to it. I should have been clearer in my original request for documentation in RTF format etc - if users can open the ABW format then they're likely already to be on the open-source bandwagon, and hence more likely to have experience testing things peripheral to the MicroSoft universe. Documentation in RTF or even DOC nowadays would be more encouraging for your burgeoning audience who might be exploring Linux for the first time, I think. (The DOC opens fine in TextMaker, by the way - you've done good work there.)
Delayed on giving feedback on the Oz flavour of your LiveCD offering, I'm afraid,

Wishing you, your partner and your 3 muses H, S and B a very happy Christmas!
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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Dec 2009, 04:06    Post subject:  

Sorry for bringing this up, but can you please stop using .doc format? While not many people can use .abw format (thanks for nothing microsoft), most of them can read doc format on their windows boxes. The reason they can't read abw files is because microsoft didn't implement this open sourced, free for all (read: easy to support) format . On the other hand did the MS monopoly force the open source community to reverse engineer the proprietary .doc format to be able to support it in their own applications, just because it is so widespread.
I don't think a "do to them what they did to us" attitude gets us anywhere. So using abw format, a format hardly anyone can read is not helpful for getting the info to the users.

On the other hand we should stop locking people in proprietary file formats, although they are very widely supported.

BTW, .rtf is a MS format too, but since it is a markup language (like html) it is rather easy to implement by other developers and is very whidespread. Nevertheless, rtf renders quite differently in various word processors and legally it is not an official standard (ISO etc.) IMHO.

I think textfiles, pdf or html format are suited best for getting a message across and can be opened by most users nowadays.
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mrtimo

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec 2009, 13:54    Post subject: bug to report  

Ok, I downloaded the 269mb iso.

I boot from cd... and it chokes. Here is what it says:
Loading the 'hsb_412.sfs' mail file... copying to ram... done
setting up the layered filesystem..... done
performing a 'switch_root' to the layered filesystem... Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init!

Also a month ago or so I was able to do a frugal install... but then I noticed afterwards that the hsb_412.sfs file was only 27mb. That seemed way too small as it was the largest file in the folder. Not surprisingly, it did not boot.

Anyway, I'll keep trying things, and different isos.
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sidders

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec 2009, 14:00    Post subject:  

If its booting from the cd, could be a bad burn. Try burning at x4.


I'll see if i can replicate the problem.
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jamalexa


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Dec 2009, 10:43    Post subject: Wine  

Happy Holidays. I am going to build a system for my 3 year old this week.I want to try and install a couple of programs for her and I would like to know which version of wine should i install? Also I need to know if i should use an .sfs or a pet/ and how to install it. Thank you for your time.
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sidders

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Dec 2009, 13:22    Post subject:  

i've no experiience with Wine. This thread might help:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37783
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jan 2010, 21:31    Post subject:  

GCompris 9.0 released
    Changes: GCompris is almost 10 years old, and it required some deep code restructuring. The old, unmaintained gnome-canvas toolkit has been replaced with a modern Cairo-based toolkit named... goocanvas. One good side effect is that GCompris can be used on big monitors and on smaller devices. Minor changes include the new graphism for the canal lock and water cycle activities, the new photo hunter activity, and more famous paintings. The animation activity allows editing previous frames at will with a timeline.


They should really dump the ancient pysqlite requirement too since Python now carries sqlite bindings by default... (or am I confusing another Python game?)

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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2010, 22:40    Post subject:  

I have hacked jwm to replace ROX for the desktop (including background, icons and more):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=380851#380851

Why?
fewer resources
faster start
"buttons" for icons
grouped programs
can remove Rox for kiosk mode
stability - kids can't easily delete icons, background etc...

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sidders

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 11:06    Post subject:  

Just thought i would call in and say i have noted everything, also been knocking around the forum noting lots of other things as-well.

Had a play with Winelite from Choicepup and it works on HSB. I'm no expert on Wine though. I have tried a few small apps, if it doesnt work out of the box on Wine i havnt persued it.I will though in future.

Also experimented with Pebble (again) and Splashy with mixed results. As MikeB pointed out on the Spalshy thread Bootsplash seems to the better option, however i have not embarked on that but will do soon.

Getting myself sorted out and organised, then i will meditate and focus on taking this forward.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 11:17    Post subject:  

busybox has an new applet called fbsplash as well - though I have not experimented with it for the init due to not having a uclibc toolchain - if interested I can test out buildroot to see if I can build it to see if it is worth the potential size and boot speed savings.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 14:29    Post subject:  

As i have no idea what a "uclibc toolchain" is and having just read what Busybox is\does (which is a shame as its at the heart of Puppy) i dont think i could get to grips with it anytime soon. Embarassed
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nwbuntu

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Feb 2010, 18:37    Post subject:  linux and OOo for kids
Subject description: puppy/linux and OpenOffice.org for kids
 

Hi!

Interesting topic, linux for (young) kids.
I already found Qimo (http://www.qimo4kids.com/) which is based on Xubuntu.
Your version based on Puppy is however even more lighter Smile!

I just wanted to let you know that today I found OOo4Kids (OpenOffice.org for kids) on the internet (http://wiki.ooo4kids.org), tested working on Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, Fedora and Suse for the moment.
Maybe could be interesting for your distro?

keep up the good work!
Nwbuntu
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Feb 2010, 18:57    Post subject:  

Hi sidders,

Are there plans to update your fine Hansamben to include the new GCompris 9.0?

Thanks,
Jim
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sidders

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Feb 2010, 19:48    Post subject:  

Yes. The title 'pre-release' i think has gone out of the window. it will just keep on going evolving. Just having a look at bootsplash at the moment, because it takes me into the all things kernel and gives ne a better understanding of Linux in general.

The plan (sort of) is gcompris 9.0 and a 2.6.30 kernel at least. whilst maintaining the retro kernel.

The Spanish translation is still on. Just stuck with the translation of help files. So i will get all the apps in spanish and post it anyway.
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