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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:49    Post subject:  

disciple wrote:
Like I've said before, I strongly recommend using the latest version of pdfedit, or preferably cvs, due to the number of bugfixes (and some new features too). I can't emphasize this enough.


I'm wondering, since you so strongly recommend using the latest version of PDFEdit *and* assuming you wish to be helpful to the audience then why didn't you give a link to the latest version (that you so strongly recommended)?

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Also, don't expect it to really compare with Adobe Sad


Since Adobe cost hundreds of dollars and PDFEdit costs nothing I doubt that anyone will complain but YMMV and it obviously does.

Disclaimer: I gave the link to PDFEdit in order to assist davids45. If there is a newer version of PDFEdit I have no information about it nor have I ever used any version of it. I offered the link only as an assist.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 19:03    Post subject:  

I don't have pdfedit running in Puppy. I've been running from cvs in cygwin all year and reporting bugs. A lot of them were essentially just different variations of pdf that pdfedit couldn't handle. Pdf is a truly weird and wonderful format Smile
I'm not game enough to try Boost and everything to build in Puppy again, but if someone seriousely want's to use it in Puppy they may be.
Or it would be worth trying a package of 0.4.3 from another distro - Debian has a couple http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=pdfedit
I don't think there have been too many important fixes since 0.4.3

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Since Adobe cost hundreds of dollars and PDFEdit costs nothing I doubt that anyone will complain

Yes Smile
Just as long as people don't spend huge amounts of time getting it running, and then get disappointed. The thing is that a lot of open source applications are better than the alternatives, so people could get used to it Smile

BTW if anyone's interested, I found another, vala based alternative to Pdfshuffler or Printruler http://finalpage.sourceforge.net/, but I haven't got it working due to the dependencies (and because Pdfshuffler is so good that I didn't need it).

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Oct 2009, 22:51    Post subject:  

Is there a new location for this, please?

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The requested URL /tpp/disciple/pdfshuffler.sfs was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 06:40    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
Is there a new location for this, please?

http://puppylover.netsons.org/dokupuppy/programs:pdf_editing?s=shuffler

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 16:55    Post subject:  

I'm uploading it to puppylinux.ca again now too - thanks to Eric for the help there.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 19:22    Post subject: Re: Pdfshuffler .sfs - Edit pdfs :) fantastic!
Subject description: 11MB including mini python, pygtk etc
 

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disciple wrote:
If you have a Puppy frugal install or live CD, put it at the top level of the drive where your save file (.2fs) is, then run "Menu-setup-wizard wizard-configure startup of puppy" and tell it to load this .sfs at boot.


Or do what I did and right click the file in ROX-Filer then choose Mount and Use With load_sfs.

AFAIK load_sfs is unique to 4.2.x series Puppy. I haven't found it in anything before or since. I also believe that Rox_Right_Clicks that lets you use your method is also unique to 4.2.x series Puppy.

For at least those two reasons, among others, I doubt I'll be moving on from 4.2.x series for quite some time. We'll see what 4.4CE brings in the way of ease-of-use features and benefits. 4.3.x doesn't seem to offer much in that direction IMHO.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 20:51    Post subject:  

There is no reason you can't install them in another puppy.
4.3.x wasn't intended to add lots of extra features like 4.2. It does have a lot of bugfixes and updates which are very important to a lot of people, but of course you may already have everything you need...

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 21:27    Post subject:  

BTW I think 4.3 includes an updated poppler and glib - perhaps someone could confirm that they didn't need to install those to use it in 4.3...
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 22:51    Post subject:  

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There is no reason you can't install them in another puppy.
4.3.x wasn't intended to add lots of extra features like 4.2. It does have a lot of bugfixes and updates which are very important to a lot of people, but of course you may already have everything you need...

My point was that it is a clear regression not to have included them in the subsequent official release. According to the PPM, Rox_Right_Clicks is only 60kb and load_sfs 238kb. In an updated official release that grew by around 4.5Mb one has to question why these two most useful features were left out and duplicate functions like multiple calculators put back in!

Are you suggesting that retaining 300kb of functionality would have prevented some of the alleged 4.5Mb of "bug fixes" being included? Surely just removing the second window manager provided in 4.2.1 would have made sufficient room to permit the retention of these clearly very worthwhile usability features Confused

Of course you can install them from both from dotpet or the PPM. The question begged is why you should even HAVE to. JMHO.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 23:50    Post subject:  

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Are you suggesting that retaining 300kb of functionality would have prevented some of the alleged 4.5Mb of "bug fixes" being included?

The bug fixes are real, not just alleged, and some of them could and should have been fixed a long time ago. But there are updates too. The updated gtk for example is a big change that actually makes it possible to use a lot of modern programs.
That wasn't actually what I meant to suggest though. Just that 4.2 and 4.3 were made by different people.
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duplicate functions like multiple calculators put back in!

That has essentially no effect on size - xcalc is 23k, ycalc is 37k, cgtkcalc is 66k, and calcoo is 83k. cgtkcalc and calcoo have quite different functions - I'm not sure that I think there is any reason to have xcalc and ycalc (except for xcalc rpn mode), but 60k uncompressed is pretty insignificant.

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Surely just removing the second window manager provided in 4.2.1 would have made sufficient room to permit the retention of these clearly very worthwhile usability features

Obviously not, because icewm was removed but the .iso grew in size Sad

Unlike at least one bug that got regressed from 4.2 to 4.3 (fixed in 4.31), whether or not leaving things out is a regression is a matter of personal taste, needs and opinion. Obviously Barry isn't particularly interested in them.

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Of course you can install them from both from dotpet or the PPM. The question begged is why you should even HAVE to.

Why should you have to install anything from petget or anywhere?

I'm curious as to how load_sfs is 238kb. I assume it is just for either loading .sfs addons on the fly, or loading them with a full install. Either way it is very useful, but is far enough from core, essential functionality that I'd be inclined to leave it out myself if I was building Puppy. We can't include everything - that's what the package manager is for. Someone has to decide what to leave out.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan 2010, 06:26    Post subject: New version of Pdfshuffler (pdf editor) is out.  

A new version of Pdfshuffler (pdf editor) is out.
Get it from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfshuffler/

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan 2010, 10:17    Post subject: Re: New version of Pdfshuffler (pdf editor) is out.  

disciple wrote:
A new version of Pdfshuffler (pdf editor) is out.
Get it from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfshuffler/


Has the Puppy version been upgraded?

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan 2010, 20:14    Post subject:  

No, it's silly to replace a big .sfs just for that.
Dowload the .deb from their site (it is only 24kb) and either install it by clicking on (in Puppy 4.3.x), or open it in pupzip/xarchive or whatever, and extract the actual script /usr/bin/pdfshuffler.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan 2010, 20:20    Post subject:  

I was unclear - I intended to refer to updating the Puppy version of Pdfshuffler - not the Puppy distro.

Clicking on it in 4.31 appeared to go without error but there is nothing in Menu nor does Console find it.

I did Restart X Server, no joy, do I need to Reboot?

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 04:20    Post subject:  

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not the Puppy distro.

I meant the Pdfshuffler .sfs I made, not the main Puppy .sfs
It is 11MB or something as it includes Python and stuff.

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