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technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

Ok, now that I have a working Pcompile to test (the graphical frontend for compiling packages), it is time to move on for a bit.

I planned to test pizzasgood's multiuser pup and try to figure out the best way to incorporate Barry's woof improvements to it or vice versa, but it sounds like Barry may be adding this to his woof build system on his own.

... so on to the remaster frontend. After looking at it, it appears to be as easy as replacing all of the Xdialogs with 'if' statements that check for variables from the gtkdialog gui (since most are yes/no, so probably just a lot of checkboxes) It will be relatively easy to add a folder selector for the "original files" - they don't technically have to be the originals (you can do whatever modifications you want) Adding the full installer to this may prove to be a bit trickier than I thought, ... we'll see. There are so many niche cases in the existing installer that I haven't used that I am hesitant to hack on it too much without a good way to test it.

Pizzasgood · Posted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:26 Post subject:

Small fix: the xorgwizard issue where it fails to work quite right for people whom Xorg decides have the ability to use multiple screens (not necessarily the same as people who actually have multiple screens - simply having a graphics card and an unused onboard video chip may be enough to trigger this (it did when I used my old computer anyway)).
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=357477#357477

I provided both a patch and the actual patched script from 4.3.1 in the above post, so it can just be dropped in unless you've made other changes to xorgwizard already.

Lobster · Posted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 01:39 Post subject:

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

I've suggested Woofy as project name, as am having problems finding a "4.4" in the forum. Hope the name can be used, as this will be (?) the first community release based on Woof.

Lobster · Posted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 12:17 Post subject:

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44Team

We are woofy

Woof woof

esmourguit · Posted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 13:35 Post subject:

Bonjour à tous,

Localization : The script xorgwizard, with the fix of Pizzasgood, localized (en, fr) with gettext (thanks to ljfr) is available here
If someone wants to test.

@Gposil,
Is it possible to localize PCP?

Cordialement Wink

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

Raffy - Woofy sounds fine - i will leave those details up to the community for now. I am more concerned with the functionality than the look, feel and marketing aspects at the moment. That stuff should begin appearing in the beta releases. For the alpha releases I am trying to stay focused on usability issues including updates, upgrades and bugfixes.

esmourguit - being a native english speaker I have not done a lot with localization other than making the NLS pets available for those who need them. I assume for gtkdialog programs like PCP there needs to be a master program that checks $LANG and starts one of however many separate programs based on language? For example PCP would now be a script that checks $LANG and starts pcp_$LANG ... There is currently a "Control Panel" thread in the Pet's 'n Stuff area working on a generalized control panel to work across versions - I recommend contributing to that.

New Idea While helping with the Control Panel project, I had a novel idea. Why not use the .desktop files to automatically create a gtkdialog panel with all of the categories in separate notebook tabs containing icons for each program and descriptions in mouseover "tooltips". This would be a great advance for tablet and netbook users and much of the underlying code already exists as part of fixmenus and dir2pet.... Unfortunately I have learned that coordinating leaves me very little time for actual development, so I am putting this out there for anyone that finds it of interest and wants a project.

Anyone following/testing ttuuxxx's 2.X releases - please post any improvements that should be incorporated (same goes for the 4.2 series). Ttuuxxx seems to be doing great work on the series especially to support legacy systems. As such the 4.X series should especially try to focus on supporting newer hardware that 2.X does not, so if anyone has new hardware that is not supported yet, please make sure it gets on the google code issue tracker:
http://code.google.com/p/puppy-development/issues/list
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raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

aragon · Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1690 Location: Germany

aragon · Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1690 Location: Germany

@technosaurus

Patriot's System Services Manager might be an interesting addition for woofy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48337

aragon

wuwei · Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 739 Location: de

It took me a while to read through 8 pages of very useful entries here.
I agree with many of them, and would like to highlight rsp confirm a few items:

IMO making Puppy more nooby friendly would require...
> an easy to understand installation GUI (plenty said above)
> automatic internet connection for a regular DSL/router setup. Other distros can do this, Puppy should be able to do this, too.
> a full featured browser is a must. Whether this be Seamonkey, Firefox or Firedog would be up to the developers. Dillo or Pbrowser are a big turn-off for the unsuspecting newby.
I am not sure that I understand the importance of a 105MB ISO vs one of 110 MB or 115MB. Can 5 or 10MB be worth turning off the first time user?

Most anything else can be searched for on the forum or the Puppy search engine.

Much success technosaurus and colleagues!

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

I guess I should clarify something for the non-developers following this thread. We have both a defaultbrowser (Firefox, Opera, Seamonkey, Midori, etc...) for viewing online URLs (http://....) and a defaulthtmlviewer (puppy browser, netsurf, dillo...) for viewing local html files such as local documentation (which most find more user friendly than man pages)

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

A compromise browser may be essential, something that's already as good as a full-featured browser (useful for webmail as well as for downloads) but is still small. The user can then download his/her favorite (but large) browser suite with this built-in browser.

puppymartin has posted about Kazehakase:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48529

aragon · Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1690 Location: Germany

defaulthtmlviewer:
for me Kazehakase, puppybrowser and these have one downside: they are dependant on the existance of the libs/tools from special big browsers.

in opposite to this, dillo or netsurf may no be as nice but are independent.

aragon

amigo · Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 1757

I've suggested for a long time that dillo be used with a nice web-page interface for use as html/man page viewing -use during setup with a nice link to where anyones' favorite 'big browser' can be installed.

I have a kinda interesting interface I put together which I've made sure works with dillo. I run the thttp server and have some web-pages put together which use dillo. The page can be as fancy, or simple as you like. The page links run cgi scripts written in bash which can show anything you allow. I run stuff like namazu as a local search engine, ainebot chat with sysadmin features or other personalities and didiwiki is linked there. didiwiwi runs its' own server, but the web inerface is the thing.

Here's a really simple example: