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Multiuser Puppy 4.2.1
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PaulBx1

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct 2009, 11:31    Post subject:  
Bravo Pizzasgood! Excellent work!!!

I love root user, but this is really needed for Puppy to be taken seriously. Soon we will be top dog! Very Happy
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raffy

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct 2009, 18:48    Post subject: mirror  
For hiccups (download link not working), note that there are download mirrors:

CAUTION: NOT YET UPDATED FOR REVISION 1 !!!

mirror1

mirror2
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dawg

Joined: 09 Aug 2009
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Location: still here
PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct 2009, 11:28    Post subject:  
OK, I've installed the thing (frugal) and all seems fine when running as root.
However, when running as user, none of the disk icons show up and I can't mount anything either.
My /etc/group looks fine, I think:
Code:
root:x:0:
daemon:x:1:
tty:x:2:
ppp:x:200:
users:x:500:
nobody:x:65534:
guest:x:501:
spot:x:502:spot
bin::2:root,bin,daemon
audio::17:user
503:x:503:messagebus
ftp:x:1000:
dip:x:30:
disk:x:6:user
power:x:550:user
user:x:1001:

What I did exactly:
1. copied the necessary files directly from the iso to a directory on sda1 and adjusted my grub menu accordingly
2. booted into my new Puppy and chose appropriate settings for my machine and country
3. Puppy loads, I click the welcome message, it woofs, etc
4. set-up my network card
5. chose reboot and created a save file (64MB) in the default puppy directory on sda1
6. Puppy reboots and loads again fine (still as root)
7. added a user (all 3 offered permission groups) with a pass
8. disabled autologin as root
9. I reboot and login as user, it loads fine, except there are no drive icons etc. (also Seamonkey only contains its default basic (not root's) bookmarks). Reboots fine.

I may also add that logging in as root now becomes impossible if we hadn't set a root pass previously! Smile

That's about it..
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Pizzasgood


Joined: 04 May 2005
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Location: Knoxville, TN, USA
PostPosted: Sat 10 Oct 2009, 01:14    Post subject:  
In the Original Post, Pizzasgood wrote:
Note: Although users in the "disk" group can mount/unmount partitions, they still don't get the desktop icons. However, I have things set up to automatically configure /etc/fstab, which means that you can simply go into /mnt/ and click on the mountpoints you want, and ROX-Filer will automatically mount them for you, and optionally unmount them when you exit. You can of course drag these to the desktop and set their icons and such. So this limitation isn't a big deal.

When you say you can't mount anything, what do you mean? Did you try manually mounting with the mount command, or navigating into the mountpoint with ROX-Filer, or using Pmount?

I didn't test Pmount. Mainly because I forgot. So I don't know if that method will work. I'm away from home for the weekend, otherwise I'd try it now. But the other two methods should work. Note: you cannot specify many (if any) extra mount options as a user. You have to use the options preset in /etc/fstab.


As for root, the default root password is woofwoof, just like in the official Puppies. In the interest of making the multiuser additions as transparent as possible to the end user, I didn't set it up to force the user to pick a new password.
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dawg

Joined: 09 Aug 2009
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Location: still here
PostPosted: Sat 10 Oct 2009, 12:22    Post subject:  
My bad, I must've overlooked that part, I apologize. I should stop doing this sh*t when I'm sleepy/tired/distracted Very Happy And I should also set-up some other machine for this to avoid the rebooting and stuff all the time..

Pmount is the one I went for and that doesn't work, the other 2 methods indeed do work.

Thanks, I didn't know about the password.. I guess I should RTFM? hard work.. Very Happy
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Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Location: Oregon
PostPosted: Sat 10 Oct 2009, 19:48    Post subject:  
Running as a user other than root, and mount disabled, one could not save anything to a flash drive that they had created.
Also, 'sudo' gives command not found.
'su root' requests a password and works. Verifiable with 'whoami'
The permission denied messges and not showing up.
trying to mount a device brings up an empty window with rox.
After 'su root', mounting only works from the command line. It does not automatically open a window with ROX.
A check using Pmount shows the drive was mounted and using Pmount after command line mounting will bring up a ROX window of the drive.
I have not tried to edit any files that had root as owner so that is a still to do.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Oct 2009, 14:42    Post subject:  
I didn't install sudo. Forgot. Sorry. Maybe I'll make one next weekend. I'll try to get pmount running then too.

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The permission denied messges and not showing up.
Sorry, not following you. You'll have to elaborate a little about what you're talking about here.

Quote:
After 'su root', mounting only works from the command line. It does not automatically open a window with ROX.
How do you mean? If you do a su root, all that affects is that specific terminal window and any programs launched from it. So to mount with any way besides the mount command, you would have to launch that other method from the terminal that has the root privileges.
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swarnick

Joined: 25 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 07:50    Post subject: Cannot exit from multiuser puppy 4.2.1
Subject description: All attempts to exit restart X windows		  
Pizzasgood wrote:
The link is working for me right now too. Must have been a hiccup.

Quote:
just tried multi user puppy,and it does not want to shut down,it just restarts x,even trying from the terminal.

Okay. I'll need some more information though:

How are you trying to reboot? As root or as a user?

If a user, is it a member of the "power" group?

Is this the first boot, or have you already created a pup_save.2fs file?

Are you using Xorg or Xvesa?


I am having this same problem. To answer the questions
1. Initial boot, therefore I am running as root.
2. I am Booting and then running from a usb drive. I made the usb drive with unetbootin and the lastest iso.
3. Xvesa 1024x768x24
4. No save file yet because I can't shut down the first time to create one.

Hope this helps. Obviously this issue is a showstopper.
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ralphv

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 11:43    Post subject: Re: Cannot exit from multiuser puppy 4.2.1
Subject description: All attempts to exit restart X windows		  
[quote="swarnick"]
Pizzasgood wrote:
The link is working for me right now too. Must have been a hiccup.

Quote:
just tried multi user puppy,and it does not want to shut down,it just restarts x,even trying from the terminal.

Okay. I'll need some more information though:

How are you trying to reboot? As root or as a user?

If a user, is it a member of the "power" group?

Is this the first boot, or have you already created a pup_save.2fs file?

Are you using Xorg or Xvesa?


I am also having this problem.
I am running it in virtualbox using xvesa.
I used a pup save for puppy 4.20, couldn't
make one because never have shut down.
Managed to make a user, also won't
shut down for the user.

Ralph
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 12:05    Post subject:  
Okay, I'll take a look. I don't think it occurred to me to test shutting down from Xvesa.
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ralphv

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 13:48    Post subject:  
Pizzasgood wrote:
Okay, I'll take a look. I don't think it occurred to me to test shutting down from Xvesa.


I got virtualbox guest additions added to it and was able to shutdown in Xorg
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 15:37    Post subject:  
I found the problem and am fixing it now. (Temporary fix: just try a second time and it should work then.)

I also fixed the issue with Pmount (it was passing options to the mount command, which doesn't work when you are a user, so I set the mount command up to detect when that fails and try with nothing but the mountpoint).

I'm working on sudo.
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 17:39    Post subject:  
Okay, I uploaded "revision 1". The first post has been updated with the new download link. I also updated the "gory details" thread with the new information and links to the _DEV, _DOC, and _NLS packages for PAM and Sudo, in case anybody needs those. All the other packages listed there that were affected by the updates in r1 have been updated too.

Changes:
  • Added Linux-PAM
  • Added sudo
  • Added "wheel" group and edited adduser-wizard to reflect this (unchecked by default)
  • Edited ~/.xinitrc to use /tmp/${USER}-videomode rather than /tmp/videomode when determining if video-wizard was being run (fixes Xvesa reboot issue)
  • Edited /bin/mount to try again with only the mountpoint when the first try fails (fixes Pmount issue)
  • Edited /bin/mount to use "$@" rather than "$*" in the calls to mount-FULL
  • Edited /etc/gshadow to add the missing line for the "audio" group
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raffy

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 21:30    Post subject: different ISO  
ERROR: The new link gets the same old ISO!!!

Am guessing that you would not post a new ISO with the same old name, but then I have to confirm before I complain. Smile I got the "new" ISO from the new link but got the same old ISO.

Anyway, the URL of the new ISO should be evident:
browserloadofcoolness.com..puppy-4.2.1-MULTIUSER-r1.iso

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Oct 2009, 01:00    Post subject:  
Oops. I edited the visible part but forgot to update the actual url part. Thanks for pointing that out.
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