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dejan555


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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 02:06    Post subject:  

Hey Pizzasgood, someone found out about multiuser puppy reading my blog and he/she has problem with grub, can you take a look @ comments, don't know if this is puppy issue or he/she didn't pick right options when installing grub:
http://dejan555.freehostia.com/?p=31&cpage=1#comment-10

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:00    Post subject:  MultiUser Puppy--Grub trouble
Subject description: can't boot after hdd full install
 

Hi, Dejan & Pizzasgood--

Some but not extensive experience with Linux...but I really like Puppy and have installed it before without problems. I did a full install of MultiUser Puppy on an old compaq deskpro with 6 GB hdd and 192 MB Ram. I chose install grub on MBR. When finished, I rebooted without cd, and got a (terminal-like screen) with a short paragraph about tab giving some possible completions after the first word, and then below:

grub>

When I pressed tab, I got a list of words like boot, ioprobe, etc. Tried typing boot after grub> but then got a message that the kernel has to be loaded first. Crying or Very sad Don't know how to do that.

Does this give you any idea of where I might have gone wrong?

many thanks,
srdorothy
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 14:22    Post subject: MultiUser Puppy--Grub trouble
Subject description: Tried editing menu.lst
 

I tried once more installing M.U. Puppy to hdd, and this time got a message that the hdd could not be unmounted (I had saved a pup_save file). So I put in my Mepis live cd, found the file and as root deleted it. Rebooted Puppy cd, and didn't get the 'can't unmount hdd' message...continued with install, etc, and couldn't boot Puppy on the hdd.

So with the live cd I mounted the hdd, and found and edited menu.lst per the installation instructions, but still no joy.

I think there is something important that I am missing...8^)
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 14:58    Post subject:  

Try to do grubconfig from one of your other puppy cd's that work
(Menu -> System -> Grub Bootloader config ) then edit menu.lst to boot multiuser puppy

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 16:32    Post subject: MultiUser Puppy--Grub trouble
Subject description: can't boot after hdd full install
 

Thank you, Dejan--I'll try that!
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2009, 18:20    Post subject: G'day Pizzasgood & dejan555
Subject description: I've been following this thread w/ interest
 

Wundered 'bout recent Progress, & Developments w/ a view to Applying this to Dingo 4.3, otherwise is there a time frame 4 an 1d10T Proof howto documentation? ... Thanx Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2009, 19:30    Post subject:  

Um, just a thought Pizzasgood. Could it be made a pet with useradd and your wizards for managing users/login and other needed content, then make pinstall.sh set all neded things, I guess this could be done with one script to change all instances of root into $HOME in scripts and set permissions and stuff, that way, instead remastering iso specifically for puppy versions users could just download pet and run it to enable multiuser on any puppy version. What you think, could it be done with one well writen script suplied in package?.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2009, 19:59    Post subject: Woof
Subject description: Fello' Creatures o' Dog Pound!
 

Smile Or SFS Package?
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WarMocK


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PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct 2009, 12:10    Post subject:  

And don't forget the documentation you promised. Pleaaaaaaaaaaase!
*making extremely big puppy eyes*
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 15:20    Post subject:  

Forget the docs? I spent a long time last weekend writing those, no way I'd forget them at this stage... I have them nearly done, and the actual work of finishing off the puplet nearly done. As in, I ought to have it complete by Sunday at the latest unless I realize I made some horribly bad oversight. I'd have had it done already but this last week was busier than normal (I had three exams plus the weekly thermodynamics quiz). And my uncle has been working on his website again, so I needed to help fix it a couple times.

Anyway, I realized over the weekend that users could not shutdown or reboot. Well, they normally shouldn't be able to in a server environment, but in a desktop environment you might want at least some users to be able to. I had just written the daemon I mentioned for unmounting partitions, so I was able to reuse that to set up another for rebooting/powering down. Users in the "power" group can do that now.

WRT the mounting/unmounting, it turns out limited users can't do NTFS. For NTFS root needs to mount it. This is because Puppy uses ntfs-3g to handle NTFS partitions, and that doesn't want to let me allow limited users to use it properly. I suppose I could do the same thing I did for unmounting and powering off, but I don't like the idea of having so many daemons (even though they aren't really impacting anything - they just sit there waiting until the directory they monitor changes). But if anyone feels especially strongly about NTFS I'll do it.


I don't know how well all of this could be done by a .pet. I guess I'll look into it. I am making the extra scripts I've written into a .pet, and another for the shadow utilities, and probably a third .pet (or at least .tar.gz archive) for the modifications I had to do to get X running, since it involved some extra stuff like support for /etc/X11/$USER/xorg.conf.

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 15:50    Post subject:  

Glad to hear that, pizzasgood. Very Happy
I can't wait for the documentation so I can finish my work on my Account Control Center for K-9. The GUI is (almost) done and my scripts for user creation, group assignment and deletion seem to work flawlessly. However, I still have probs with removing users from a specific group, as the BB-variant of delgroup seems to be pretty crappy (my tcl/tk-based frontend frequently pops up a message that it couldn't find a certain group entry in /etc/gshadow, which I need to iron out in some way now).
And looking at the reports about the troubles you had with mounting and unmounting, I guess that issue will probably give me some sleepless nights as well.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2009, 17:05    Post subject:  

It lives.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47409


I felt guilty so I went ahead and took care of the ntfs issue. I also noticed that somewhere along the way the inittab-AUTO and inittab-NOAUTO files wound up in /usr/etc/ rather than /etc/. I don't know if that happened before or after the last beta. Anyway, it's fixed in the final.

I also set the adduser-wizard to make the user's home directory 750 rather than 755.

The documentation is linked to from the announcement.

Sorry about how I kept releasing it with the exact same filename. I normally don't do that, but I forgot this time around (it's been over a year since I've released a puplet).

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 17:08    Post subject:  

Thank you for your efforts, pizzasgood. Very Happy
I'll have a look at your multiuser-iso as soon as I finished ironing out some serious probs with my own system. Erm, did you ever encounter the following problem by chance?
When you try to start X as a limited user you see the output

"Startup X, specs in /home/user/.etc/X11/xorg.conf, startup apps /home/user/.xinitrc ..."

but then, nothing happens until the connection to X timed out and you get bumped back to the prompt. Any idea what might cause it? It didn't happen with NOP 4.13, it just happens in Puppy 4.21.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 21:07    Post subject:  

I think I had a problem like that with Xvesa. I was trying to let the user use his choice of X server, but I didn't realize that xwin was calling xinit, not X, to start it. So to make that work I'd probably have needed to give users a local symlink to their X of choice and then add that to their path so that it overrides /usr/X11R7/bin/X. Once I realized what was wrong I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

I think it did that when xwin was configuring it for xorg but X still pointed at Xvesa. But it might have been the other way around. Not sure.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:15    Post subject:  

Hmm ....
Whatever the prob is, it doesn't occur with NOP 4.13. Maybe upgrading the older version with the stuff from 4.21 is easier in this case. I'd have to add lots of stuff to barebones which is already included in NOP anyway, so it's just a matter of what requires more ugrades. Razz
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