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Trobin

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jul 2009, 21:08    Post subject:  

I managed to kludge together a possible solution to selecting the three mode.
Speak-3-Pup will load to the menu by default. A new entry to the main menu wil;l call the following:
Quote:
#!/bin/bash
let "loop=0"
while test $loop == 0
do
clear
echo "Please choose the letter of the selected option"
echo "------------------------------------------------------"
echo "a. JWMSPEAK Mode"
echo "b. MENU MODE"
echo "c. ESPEAK MODE"
echo "------------------------------------------------------"

echo "choice?"
read choice

case $choice in a)
rm /etc/profile
cp /usr/profile /etc/profile
xorgwizard
esac
case $choice in b)
rm /etc/profile
cp /usr/profile /etc/profile
rm /usr/X11R7/bin/X
esac
case $choice in c)
rm /usr/X11R7/bin/X
rm /etc/profile
cp /root/profile /etc/profile
esac
done


Option A will run xorgwizard. Select Xorg or Xvesa to set up which ever system you want. The computer does not have to be rebooted.

Option B will run the menu ststem. It will remove ~/usr/X11R7/X symlink. It will also remove the ~/etc/profile file and replace it with ~/usr/profile. The computer will need to be rebooted.

Option C will remove ~/etc/profile and replace it with ~/root/profile. The computer will have to be rebooted.

In the gui, open an RXVT window and run ./rboot

In Edbrowse type !./rboot

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Sep 2009, 09:13    Post subject:  

Trobin,

Is there a particular links for Speak-3-Pup?
Speak-3-Pup
I cannot find it.

Also which version of Puppy does it work with? I'm guessing version 3.

Is there a discussion - other than this one - for Speak-3-Pup?

I didn't get a message that there'd been a reply to the forum so I didn't check for a few months.

Be well

David
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Trobin

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Sep 2009, 12:29    Post subject:  

No, Speak-3-Pup is still based on Puppy 2.17, and is not yet available anywhere. I don't know if I will be using any newer versions of Puppy.

The three refers to three modes of use

1- command line

2 -full Puppy with GUI using Jwmspeak

3 -using edbrowse

It's been on the back burner for a while, but I hope to get it out in the next few weeks.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Feb 2010, 00:03    Post subject:  

It's been a while and this is off the back burner.

1 - Install Fresh copy of Puppy 2.17

2 - Install Jwmspeak
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=638861308&t=27287

3 - Install Espeakedit
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1018552013&t=52026

4 - Install Lynx
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1953806319&t=44702

5 - Install CLInet
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2105646798&t=51097
note - my ethernet settings were not saved.

6 - Compile and Install Speech Dispatcher
http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd

7 - Compile and Install yasr
http://yasr.sourceforge.net/
note yasr.conf needs to be edited and saved to /root and hidden

8 - Install Alpine
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1230525565&t=30544

9 - Install - Noob
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=908600677&t=49117

10 - Install IRSSI
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=394272143&t=30207

11 - Install Edbrowse.
note The new version did not compile without errors, so am using an edbrowse pet file I had saved. I don't know if it is still available anywhere.

This version will, if I can get it working

1 - Act as a normal Puppy 2.17 with enough speech to assist those that want it.
Espeak will not work with programs such as Abiword, other than as programmed into Jwmspeak. Another menu will point to the cli programs used. These will open in console windows and speech will be available for those.

2 - Act as a normal Puppy 2.17 using NOOB as a menu interface for those that like the size.

3 - Similar to Number 2 but the NOOB menu will open a console window and use cli programs. Espeak will be running.

4 - Run from a menu system with espeak enabled.

I've tried other versions of Puppy Linux and keep coming back to Puppy 2.17. Because it just works. At least for me. Others might have more luck with more modern Puppy versions. However I'm laying claim to the Speakxpup name. :}

Any suggestion will be welcomed.

If any one dislikes my using their work, please let me know.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Feb 2010, 20:09    Post subject:  

I've added Chipmunk Basic to the mix.

http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic/


Okay, it hearkens back to the 1980's when GWBasic was the king of BASICS, but, as I said when I started working on this, I'm not a programmer. Puppybasic, wbasic, freebasic, I don't comprehend. Chipmunk Basic I do understand. At least to the point of beiong able to use it. What I want it for isn't all that complicated anyway.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Apr 2010, 02:17    Post subject:  

Ive been reading some stuff about Orca being made to work with LXDE.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32049

So I thought I'd play around with it a bit, seeing as there are at least two puppy derivatives using LXDE. Lighthouse pup and Ultrapup.

Lighthouse pup is fantastic. However, I cannot get it to load the devx file. No matter how many times I tell it's bootloader to load it.

I had better luck, in that regard, with Wow's puplet
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39154

It loaded devx_411.sfs with no trouble

However, and with my luck there is always a however, I test installed Orca 2.28.x. Or tried to. When I ./configured it told me that it found intltool 0.36 but wanted intltool 0.40. I downloaded and installed intltool 0.40. when I ./configured again it told me that it found intltool 0.36 but wanted intltool 0.40.

Having no clue what to do, I downloaded an earlier version of Orca, and found that Orca 2.22.x compiled passed that point until it found that gnome-python with libnobo support was not installed.was not installed. Gnome Python wants pyobject-2.o. Pyobject wants Glib-2.20, with a suggestion that I might prefer Glib 2.40. I installed Glib 2.40. Re configured pyobjects and it still says that I need to install Glib 2.20 with a preference for Glib 2.40

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr 2010, 03:13    Post subject:  

Okay, I have a fresh install of Puppy 431. Lxde is, I hope working well on it. Now lets see if I can get it to talk.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr 2010, 17:36    Post subject:  

Well I didn’t make it talk yet.

I tried installing Orca 2.22.x. At the configure stage it couldn’t find libbonobo, requesting that I install Gnome-Python with Libbonobo-2.0>=2.14.0. I downloaded Libbonobo-2.14, but decided I should get Gnome-Python-2.60. I configured it and it complained that it couldn’t find pygobjects-2.0. I downloaded and installed Pygobjects 2.12.3 and installed it. It installed perfectly. No errors. So I went back to Gnome-Python and it demanded Pygobjects 2.17.0.

So, I found a copy of Pygobject-2.17. I tried configuring it and it complained about not being able to find Pygtk-2, which, in turn, wanted Pycairo.

Pycairo installed like a dream, so I could install Pygtk-2. I went back to Pygobjects, and got a recursive error when I tried configuring it. That puts me at a dead end. I have no idea what a recursive error is or how to fix it.

I did, though, find a link to a python pet, 2.64+ that had pygobjects included. I installed it. Went back to Gnome-Python and reconfigured it. It is now saying that the version of Python is too old.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=491689297&t=49138

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Apr 2010, 11:12    Post subject:  


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Apr 2010, 11:12    Post subject:  

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Frank Cox

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul 2010, 13:57    Post subject: Most Reliable  

Could someone recommend the best program for a blind person? One who can cannot see even the text and one for those who can?

I am the president of my local Lion's Club, at least until 7;00 today when the new one is installed and for some reason it never occurred to me to set up computers for the blind until I saw this thread for the 200th time, go figure?

I am a huge fan of Puppy but I also need to know if the programs available are as easy for the blind as ones written for windows? One lady in paticular I would like to help was not very computer literate when her sight was stll fair.

TIA
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul 2010, 21:50    Post subject:  

I've never found a program for linux that I would say is as easy or as satisfac tory as the programs for windows.

For a person who has some sight and just needs some assistance, a start might be the post I made above. It works fairly well. Not perfect but Jwmspeak will "speak" the menu selections and identify the windows the mouse is passed over. Text in applications are not automatically spoken but Foksyf eye r, can be used to "speak" highlighted text.

I used Puppy 2.17 for the system though it's possible that a more modern version can be used. Foksyf eye r can be used in Puppy 4.xx but I wasn't able to get Jwmspeak to work with it.

For the black blind, I think I would go for Edbrowse. It's a bitch to learn to use, but from what little experience I have with it I like it.

Macros can be used to simplify operations, and Mcewanw has put a lot of information on the forums about it.

This version of Speak-Pup has edbrowse in it.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1172935552&t=26863

I have been unable to get Edbrowse working with anything more modern than Puppy 2.17 but am told that it is possible.

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Feb 2011, 02:10    Post subject:  

Lucid Puppy 5.20

Emacs 23.2.tar.gz
Eflite_0.4.0-4_386.deb
Emacspeak 33.0.tar.bz
Libflite_1.1.4-release-2.i386.deb
Flite_1.4-release-2_i386.deb

.deb files from Debian - Squeeze repository

Other files compiled from source.

The whole shebang is started by executing the emacspeak-eflite script from
http://emacspeak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/html/introducing-emacspeak.html

Problem is it starts emacspeak but I don’t know if everything is working correctly. No error messages pop up but there is no sound.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Feb 2011, 22:07    Post subject:  

For some reason I have been unsuccessful in using speech dispatcher with yasr in Lucid Puppy 5.20. Speech dispatcher compiled with no errors in Lucid Puppy. Spd-conf worked well but spd-say did not work, even after required libraries were loaded, using .deb files from Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Lucid repositories. It wasn't until I installed a Debian Squeeze speech dispatcher .deb file that I had full functionality with spd-say.

At the moment, spd-say and spd-conf both work well.

Yasr compiled from source without error, and required changes were made to the yasr.conf files. The message was "Connect: Connection refused."
No matter how I edited the .conf files it was "connect: connection refused."

I did have emacspeak working well with Lucid Puppy 5.20.

I now have Puppy 5.20 working with Java, from the Lucid directory on Ibiblio, Freetts, Yasr,and Edbrowse. Voice isn't all that great, but later I can try to get mbrola voices hooked. Or maybe someone will tell me waht I'm doing wrong with sppech dispatcher and yasr.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Mar 2011, 15:45    Post subject: Drangon Naturally Speaking under Wine  

Pardon getting off course a bit but I found that WineHq rates Dragon Naturally Speaking as Gold in Fedora. I am told that is the best available but I am not knowledgeable about these programs.
I am going to start a new thread and see is anyone would be willing to compile it for Puppy.
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