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#21 Post by Caneri »

Ok this works now..just permissions were set rw-----now are rw-r--r--
http://puppylinux.asia/tpp/kirk/Fatdog/ ... vx_112.sfs

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#22 Post by kirk »

Thanks again Eric. I forgot again. I've been sick. I'll blame it on the meds :oops:

Yes, It's OO 3.01. I'll edit the first post.

Eztuxer, I don't know why that would be. How much ram do you have? Fatdog needs more ram than 4.1.2 ( I assume you've tried it with 4.1.2). Even if you boot with pfix=noram, on the first boot Puppy will still copy the main sfs file to ram. Only after there's a pup_save will the pfix=noram option work. If you don't have a lot of ram, the pfix=noram is a good idea, you really need the ram to run programs, not for storage. Oh, never mind, you said the CD works, I think it does the same thing with ram.

Raffy, I would be a little concerned about using NTFS for the pup_save file with Puppy. Puppy 2 and up has a problem, it can't quite unmount the partition the pup_save file is on at shutdown. I've never had this cause a problem, but I use a ext3 partition. Maybe someone will chime in and say they have been using NTFS for the pup_save file for sometime without problems and make us all feel better.

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#23 Post by eztuxer »

Installed it on USB from desktop computer and plugged it into Acer Aspire One: Same old crap. :(
This netbook has 1.5GB ram on it, and runs @ 1.6 GHz.
I'm running pupitup based on 412 for over 3 months now, and your pupplet is the only one among the many I've tried that has this bug.
I like Xine better than Gxine, do you have a .pet of it ? (& Edit PDF too please).
Also, I was listening to a podcast with Xine for almost an hour when everything froze, had to cold reboot it.
That was running from CD on desktop Fujitsu Siemens P4 @ 2.6 GHz with 512 MB ram.
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#24 Post by jamesbond »

@kirk
No worries kirk, glad to contribute though only a little bit :)
Get well soon :)

@caneri
Thanks for fixing the permission and of course for hosting all this :D

@raffy
Back in 2.15ce days I used to have pup_save in NTFS, dual booting with Windows. The only problem I had is, if Windows didn't shutdown correctly. NTFS was left is an unclean state and puppy would refuse boot because it can't mount pup_save file R/W (ntfs-3g will refuse to mount r/w if NTFS isn't clean). The pup_save file itself was intact, though. This wasn't good for my purpose at that time (puppy was meant rescue Windows - it's no good if puppy can't boot after a Windows crash!) - so in the end I created a dedicated ext3 partition for the pup_save.

Fast forward to present, I now have fatdog 111/112 running on 2 machines with pup_save in NTFS partitions. They have been running for about 1.5 months now w/o problems.

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#25 Post by Sage »

so in the end I created a dedicated ext3 partition for the pup_save.
Having made that decision, then why not make a FULL installation to your ext3 partition?!
However, apart from NTFS being a pile of pants and permanent liability, I cannot see the wisdom of dual booting - at all. Sure, it's fun but HDs are not forever. They are doomed to eventual failure. MTBF only represents a probability - a bell curve has a small distribution close to the origin! It could be your HD. Then you stand to lose everything. The smart move is to distribute risk in a RAID-y kind of way, but not RAID 0 striping.
Apart from which, HDs are cheap; older, smaller HDs, are perfectly suited for compact distros and are the stuff of gifts. There's a lot of muddled thinking about OS deployment and PC usage, even though there's some very clever coding of individual OSes, M$ excepted. If you need massive Tb storage for eg d/l & family videos, etc., then it would seem sensible to shunt these onto the relative safety of separate external storage ASAP.
In short, keep one OS per HD, and, for compact distros, use one small HD each. Manipulating compressed files may seem quick and efficient but it is risky and individual elements of individual files are never present. Why expend resources on contemporaneous decompression for each and every usage when it can be achieved in a once-and-for-all prior operation. Compression is only useful for storage and transmission, but each application of the compression/decompression algorithm, including that intrinsic to the digital recording process itself, involves risk and duplication as well as overheads for error correction, etc.
HD caddies are underrated in my view, too - at £3.25 + VAT from Ebuyer, they aren't going to compromise the life savings. Why not establish a bank of them on the wall of your computer room? They also offer a substantial additional security factor - in the event of fire, flood, earthquake, insurrection or explosion, just pull the caddy out of your main machine, grab your trousers and wallet and your life's endeavours can be reconstructed later; on second thoughts, the trousers could be omitted.
Of course, these arguments don't apply for those who prefer to use liveCD/USB fobs, but I don't consider that an either/or - no reason not to have both.

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#26 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
This is just a FYI. My Dell went south last week so I bought this Toshiba laptop from Best Buy for $378. It is actually a great computer for a real cheap price.
Problem is my puppy cd's wouldn't load the Intel 4 video and didn't support the Atheros WIFI. I actually couldn't get anything newer than Puppy 4.0 to boot, but then I had no internet.
When I ran across this thread, I decided to give it a try. Fatdog 112 works just great on this computer. In fact this is the first time that a puppy CD has loaded my WIFI without any setup. I did run DHCP but it found my access point on boot. Also, the Intel video support in this derivative is just plain beautiful. If you are new to linux you have just got to see the Openbox WM on this video card. I have tried a lot of distros but this Fatdog beats them all. At least on this platform.
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#27 Post by Dpup »

I bought the "Other" best buy Special, a Compaq CQ60-211DX Notebook for $379.95, and tried installation with a number of Puppy versions. Got several recent versions up to 4.2 beta 2 test to work, but then I tried Fatdog 112. To my surprise, it was the only one that would boot quickly from the CQ60 internal DVD and directly create bootable USB flash drive with the Puppy Universal Installer. And as a second surprise, boots in less than half the time of the other Puppy versions that I tested !!! It is working fine with my Dlink and Airlink wireless routers with WPA2 TKIP and WPA2 AES security, and auto reconnects on reboot.

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#28 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
I just put this Fatdog on a 3Gig Ext3 partition, full install with
Grub in MBR. The installer works just fine and the Grub works properly also. I have a few horror stories about Grub so I did a MBR backup first.
Anyway, this edition is very fast on on the Intel 4 platform. Wifi and all else working fine. I did have to re-setup my email and bookmarks. I didn't see an option to move the settings from my thumbdrive. If there is a way to migrate the settings I would appreciate the feedback.
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#29 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
After this full install my openoffice sfs isn't loading. I have the required _112.sfs in the file name. The bootmanager doesn't see the file. Any suggestions.
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#30 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
Well, looks like I will need the pet package for my full install.
Oh, well! Back to the download manager.
tlcstat
PS This dog could use a full install sfs loader. The frugal install doesn't lend itself to the word "fat" very well :) frugal /= fat.

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#31 Post by edoc »

Have Fatdog on new Acer Aspire 5535 - handles wireless-n fine! Thanks!

QUESTIONS:

1. 1360x768 does not render properly, stretches things horizontally. Any fix?

2. Does Fatdog 112 make optimal use of the dual-core in the Acer Aspire 5535? If not is there a patch?

3. Fatdog 112 does not see the built-in webcam. Any fix for that, please?

4. Internal mic does not appear to work using mhWavEdit. Is a patch needed?

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#32 Post by edoc »

Can someone using Fatdog 112 visit this Web site and tell me if the bottom half renders OK?

I am seeing overlapping text & missing images.

This is a uniquely valuable resource in Florida during hurricane season.

http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/[/url]

I am also getting an error message from this site - I have seen it using a 4.2 install but was able to view it fine from 421 with Flash 10. I am guessing that there is something missing that I need to add to my Fatdog 112 install?

http://www.syfy.com/rewind/?sid=32852
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#33 Post by edoc »

Just experienced the frustrating flaw in Seamonkey that was repaired in the one released with 421 -- if one bumps the "Ins" key Seamonkey closes and you lose anything that was open.

The layout of keys on my new Acer laptop and our old Panasonic Toughbooks (CF-28's) both lend themselves to this error - especially when one moves from laptop to laptop.

Can this be fixed, please? Frustrating is a kind term.
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#34 Post by edoc »

I have managed to damage the Seamonkey app in Fatdog 112. I have lost the toolbar at the top (with File, Edit, etc) and the bottom of the browser window is 1"+ ot blank space that is non-responsive to a right or left mouse click.

Also, if I click on a URL in the Web browser or E-mail there is no response.

Is it a simple matter to reinstall Seamonkey 1.1.15?

Will that reinstallation wipe out mail folders, address book, and/or bookmarks?

I have also installed Seamonkey 2.0 w/Flash 10. It handles this tough site http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/

I am also observing the old problem in Puppy of apparent memory hoarding of apps - if the red display and slowed apps is a valid indicator.
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#35 Post by edoc »

Quick Note: In my Seamonkey 2.0 install when I click on a URL it does respond correctly, so it is only the original default Seamonkey 1.1.15 install that has been damaged.
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#36 Post by edoc »

Gee, this conversation I am having with myself is getting boring ... arf! arf! any other canines our there?

Meanwhile, one more item to the list ...

OpernOffice 3.1 is complaining of needing JRE.

Is there a preferred source that plays nicely with Fatdog 112 and OO 3.1?
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#37 Post by edoc »

Oh, silly me, I thought that I was done ...

I tried to download an update to CUPS as it is also misbehaving - it refuses to download and install correctly ... Argggghhhh! :oops:
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#38 Post by edoc »

Caneri wrote:
A Open Office 3.1 sfs file is here:
http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/kirk/Fatdog/is ... ice3.1.sfs

Eric
I do\wnloaded the OO 3.1 ZIP and UnZipped it

I then clicked on the SFS to Mount it.

Then I tried to figure out what to do next and when I could not I found a swriter icon in a subfolder and clicked it.

Then when that didn't work aI tried to unmount the OO 3.1 SFS but it refuses to unmount.

Help?
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#39 Post by kirk »

Wow that's a lot.
Does Fatdog 112 make optimal use of the dual-core in the Acer Aspire 5535?
It uses an SMP kernel, so yes.
This is a uniquely valuable resource in Florida during hurricane season.

http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/[/url]
The text at the bottom of the page does not render correctly in Fixfox 3.5.1 with flash 10.
Is it a simple matter to reinstall Seamonkey 1.1.15?
The easiest way to fix problems in puppy is to create a new pup_save file.
I have also installed Seamonkey 2.0 w/Flash 10. It handles this tough site http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/
Seamonkey2 uses the newer gecko engine that Firefox3 uses, I quit using Firefox 3 in Fatdog1 because it crashes on some Flash web pages. This is due to some old base libraries. Fatdog1xx is just Puppy 4.1.2 with extras.
OpernOffice 3.1 is complaining of needing JRE.


You probably don't need it. It's not included because it's huge.
I tried to download an update to CUPS as it is also misbehaving - it refuses to download and install correctly ...
That's probably a bad idea. Cups is not easy to install and configure.

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#40 Post by edoc »

kirk wrote:Wow that's a lot.
Thanks kirk! I was beginning to think you may have abandoned Fatdog 112 as posts seem to have ceased back in April.

If I were to reinstall Fatdog 112 would it delete/overwrite the address book, archived E-mails and folders, bookmarks, and saved files?

The Personal Swap FIle thing in Puppy has been an endless source of hassle for me - forever filling up when new apps or large folders are transferred to the primary partition - so I try to store as much as possible out side of it and therefore outside of the pup_save file.

I have this laptop set up with SDA1 left with the ACER apps on it, SDA2 the boot partition, SDA3 for add-on apps and file storage, and SDA4 I tried to make Linux Swap but GParted would not allow that so it's just there as a 3G ext3 partition at the moment.
Does Fatdog 112 make optimal use of the dual-core in the Acer Aspire 5535?
kirk wrote: It uses an SMP kernel, so yes.
Cool!
kirk wrote:
This is a uniquely valuable resource in Florida during hurricane season.
http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/[/url]
kirk wrote:The text at the bottom of the page does not render correctly in Fixfox 3.5.1 with flash 10.
OK, then it is still the case that their code is sloppy.
Is it a simple matter to reinstall Seamonkey 1.1.15?
kirk wrote: The easiest way to fix problems in puppy is to create a new pup_save file.
I am not certain how to do this without losing all of my settings, especially in e-mail.

If I start Fatdog without using an existing pup_save then I lose everything when I use it and when I save.

I don't know of any other way, is there one?
I have also installed Seamonkey 2.0 w/Flash 10. It handles this tough site http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/myfoxhurricane/
OpernOffice 3.1 is complaining of needing JRE.

kirk wrote: You probably don't need it. It's not included because it's huge.
It stalls at the splash screen - it will not load.

I need it to rightly handle .rtf and ,doc files when I am back and forth with my Editor. I have tried Abiword and Textmaker and both alter the default settings and/or mishandle certain characters.
I tried to download an update to CUPS as it is also misbehaving - it refuses to download and install correctly ...
kirk wrote: That's probably a bad idea. Cups is not easy to install and configure.
The default version of CUPS does not recognize printers that are on other computers in the house - I had to update the one in 4.21 to get CUPS to behave - it has been a chronic problem.

I am guessing that the differing versions of CUPS on four different computers may add to the problem but need to be able to find one that is reliable.

Any thoughts about the frustrating flaw in Seamonkey that was repaired in the one released with 421 -- if one bumps the "Ins" key Seamonkey closes and you lose anything that was open?

1360x768 does not render properly, stretches things horizontally. Any fix?

Fatdog 112 does not see the built-in webcam. Any fix for that, please?

Internal mic does not appear to work using mhWavEdit. Is a patch needed?
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