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#521 Post by Billwho? »

ttuuxxx would this be an option?

For Devs
1/ Download and install the xdelta-3.0.0.pet available here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 141#308918
2/ Open xdelta-3.0.0 <Puppy 4.2 | Utility | Xdelta Difference Manager> in my 4.2 install. Would be something similar in your install. (only about 8 pages into this entire thread at the moment so not sure what you are running your builds in )
3/ Drag the currently available iso into the 'old file' pane of the "Xdelta Difference Manager" window.
4/ Drag the newly created soon to be uploaded iso into the 'New or .delta file' pane of the "Xdelta Difference Manager" window.
5/ Click the 'GENERATE' button and a patch file that will change the current iso to the new iso is created.
6/ Upload both the new iso (for those who do not have the current iso) and the patch file (for who do have the current iso and xdelta-3.0.0 installed)

For Users/testers
1/ Download and install the xdelta-3.0.0.pet available here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 141#308918
2/ Open xdelta-3.0.0 <Puppy 4.2 | Utility | Xdelta Difference Manager> in my 4.2 install. would be something similar in your install.
3/ Drag your current iso into the 'old file' pane of the "Xdelta Difference Manager" window.
4/ Drag the newly downloaded .delta patch-file into the 'New or .delta file' pane of the "Xdelta Difference Manager" window.
5/ Click the 'GENERATE' button and new current iso is created.

There is also the command line option of using xdelta. But I am not sure if it is installed in puppy by default, or where to get it if is not.
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#522 Post by tempestuous »

MinHundHettePerro wrote:Since, (after updating all the required libs) I still can't get the 214X4-XMMS to work, nor the BigBass_XMMS
Well the most comprehensively optioned and configured version of XMMS has always been the one packaged in Feb 2008 -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26528
I tried it in Puppy214X4 just now - it works great. No "updated libs" required.

... although I do agree that BMP is a good idea.
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#523 Post by ecomoney »

In terms of the amount of processing power needed, I have found that pMusic is hard to beat (especially now the errant process problems have been rectified) and at 3kb wont break the bank space wise. For the lower spec machines that suit the 2.6.18.1 kernel this would be ideal, but pSeries apps dont seem to work on 2.14.x?
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#524 Post by tempestuous »

ecomoney wrote:I have found that pMusic is hard to beat
...
and at 3kb wont break the bank space wise.
That's just 3kb for the gui, but the underlying ffmpeg libraries are 1.6MB (compressed) in size!
That's why pMusic doesn't work in Puppy 2 - no ffmpeg libraries.

The lowest size/resource audio applications are -

for MP3: madplay (standard in Puppy) or better still, mpg123
for wav: wavplay or aplay (standard in Puppy)
for ogg: ogg123

and a simple gui to control them is xhippo (25KB compressed) -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=10722

If you're happy to add 650KB worth of application/libraries compressed for a dedicated audio player, lamip+xhippo adds support for AAC/m4a/FLAC/WMA audio formats.

The CPU usage remains low.

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#525 Post by MinHundHettePerro »

tempestuous
Many thanks for the xmms links, works like a charm! :D

(Looks like I have some bitmap-editing to do :) )

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#526 Post by tempestuous »

tempestuous wrote:... although I do agree that BMP is a good idea.
I shouldn't have spoken so soon. BMP in Puppy 214X4 doesn't support -
AAC/m4a
flac
wma

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#527 Post by puppyluvr »

:D Hello,
Ran into a strange one today...Testing 2.14rX3 on a Dell desktop..
Got a message my pupsave was full, only 22mb left...So I resize it 512 and reboot...fsck runs before resizing, then boots up...Still 22mb left???Pupsave is now 64+512..576mb...Hmm....Resized it again by 512mb, and rebooted...
Now I have a 1088mb pupsave with 22mb showing as free...
The computer is at a newbies house in another town, so I just set D/L`s to go to /mnt/home and showed them how to clear the browser cache, and told them when I get back in town Ill fix it...
Firefox freezes occasionally, but I`m thinking its the 256mb ram and flash..

P.S. the machine has 256 ram and no swap, and 2.14rX3 flies on it...
They cant quit about how fast it is...(But then they were running XP on 256mb...ughhh.)

Will upgrade them to X4 next time, and let you know how it goes..
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#528 Post by ttuuxxx »

puppyluvr wrote::D Hello,
Ran into a strange one today...Testing 2.14rX3 on a Dell desktop..
Got a message my pupsave was full, only 22mb left...So I resize it 512 and reboot...fsck runs before resizing, then boots up...Still 22mb left???Pupsave is now 64+512..576mb...Hmm....Resized it again by 512mb, and rebooted...
Now I have a 1088mb pupsave with 22mb showing as free...
The computer is at a newbies house in another town, so I just set D/L`s to go to /mnt/home and showed them how to clear the browser cache, and told them when I get back in town Ill fix it...
Firefox freezes occasionally, but I`m thinking its the 256mb ram and flash..

P.S. the machine has 256 ram and no swap, and 2.14rX3 flies on it...
They cant quit about how fast it is...(But then they were running XP on 256mb...ughhh.)

Will upgrade them to X4 next time, and let you know how it goes..
I think it might actually be a memory hardware problem in that pc, I have used tonsssssssssss of pupsave files with 2.14.1X without any issue, well other than trying to make a 10GB pupsave, but I managed in the end. :)
Maybe try another version of puppy for a small duration of time and see if you have the same issues ?

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#529 Post by ttuuxxx »

hey guys, If you want test that xmms package and if you have no problems with it, I can remove BMP and replace it with XMMS, its double the size, but XMMS has always be my Audioplayer of choice :)
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#530 Post by clarf »

I always have been a WinAmp 2.x user, I still use 2.97 version in my XP machine (very hard to find now). XMMS feels and handle just like WinAmp, although the "Preference menu" is ugly the contextual options shown with right click are the same that WinAmp.

I had some minor graphic issues with BMP but none with XMMS, it even seems to take less resources.

That package referenced by tempestous have many plugins, I think we can remove some effects and general plugins from it, like Voice removal (don't like it at all) and echo and just leave the Audio Plugins.

I vote for XMMS.

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#531 Post by clarf »

puppyluvr wrote::D Hello,
Ran into a strange one today...Testing 2.14rX3 on a Dell desktop..
Got a message my pupsave was full, only 22mb left...So I resize it 512 and reboot...fsck runs before resizing, then boots up...Still 22mb left???Pupsave is now 64+512..576mb...Hmm....Resized it again by 512mb, and rebooted...
Now I have a 1088mb pupsave with 22mb showing as free...
The computer is at a newbies house in another town, so I just set D/L`s to go to /mnt/home and showed them how to clear the browser cache, and told them when I get back in town Ill fix it...
Firefox freezes occasionally, but I`m thinking its the 256mb ram and flash..

P.S. the machine has 256 ram and no swap, and 2.14rX3 flies on it...
They cant quit about how fast it is...(But then they were running XP on 256mb...ughhh.)

Will upgrade them to X4 next time, and let you know how it goes..
Hi puppylvr,

I have the same pupsave resize problem with 2.14rx4 in a NTFS partition, after resize and reboot it still had the same size.... If I create a pupsave in a ext3/etx2 partition I don't have this problem, then you should use gparted first and then create a pupsave in a FileSystem different from NTFS.

I can't write in a NFTS partition using Puppy 2.14rX either. In Puppy 2.16 I never had any issue with NFTS FileSystems or resizing my pupsave file...

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#532 Post by tempestuous »

ttuuxxx wrote:I can remove BMP and replace it with XMMS, its double the size, but XMMS has always be my Audioplayer of choice
Well at the moment we're comparing apples to pears, because my XMMS package has additional libraries/plugins to support FLAC, AAC, and WMA audio formats.

If you were to recompile BMP with support added for these extra codecs, then the two applications could be compared on equal terms. Then not only would the features be similar, but the sizes would be near-identical, too.

EDIT June 29 2009: It's not necessary to recompile BMP; just compile the extra plugins.
See later post for these plugins packaged as a dotpet -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 010#320010

Then the only difference I would anticipate is that BMP would have a slightly higher CPU usage.

To compile BMP with FLAC support, you need the BMP-FLAC plugin -
http://www.skytale.net/files/bmp-flac/
plus the older v1.1.2 FLAC library -
http://flac.sourceforge.net/

To compile the AAC/MP4 plugin you need FAAD2 -
http://www.audiocoding.com/faad2.html
The plugin provided is for XMMS, but it works with BMP ... provided the main XMMS library (libxmms.so) is also present.

The BMP WMA plugin is from -
http://bmp-plugins.berlios.de/novelian/ ... ?p=bmp-wma
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#533 Post by tempestuous »

Just a note about WMA: I see that BMP in Puppy 214X4 currently has a WMA plugin included in the plugins directory, but it's clearly incompatible (or broken).
This plugin fails to be listed in the BMP Preferences > Plugins menu.
And any attempt to play a WMA file throws up an error message.

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#534 Post by tempestuous »

clarf wrote:I can't write in a NFTS partition using Puppy 2.14rX either. In Puppy 2.16 I never had any issue with NFTS FileSystems or resizing my pupsave file...
Yes. Puppy 2.16 got upgraded ntfs-3g drivers and libraries.
... although you should still be able to write to NTFS in 214.

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#535 Post by picatrix »

Hi all,
I confirm the problem occured to davesurrey (page 19 & 23):
- frugal install of 214X4 on Ibm Thinkpad R51e to internal hd ext3 formatted;
- if I set from Keyboard Wizard the layout to "DE", I obtain the following warning:

"(process:2520): GDK-WARNING**: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.de.map keyboard map"

After that, at every reboot, I got an annoying 30 sec. "break" due to a failure on loadkmap stage.

I've also got a missing "dot" (and an arrow instead) on the home icon, but it's just a minor pain compared to the previous....

Picatrix

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#536 Post by MinHundHettePerro »

picatrix
Greetings!

I set my keyboard layout to "se" through Menu>Setup>Mouse/Keyboard Wizard>Advanced Xorg keyboard configuration>Layouts. Also, ttuuxxx posted an updated JWM-config-manager, which only contains the programs that are not broken due to this C-lib-locale-fallback-thingy.

To fix the 30 s wait:
open the file "/etc/keymap" and delete the error message, which erronously got written there, only keep "de.map".

Hope that helps/
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#537 Post by MinHundHettePerro »

Hi,
I want to put an application of mine into the jwm-tray, between glipper and blinky. So, I started looking around for how glipper got into the tray, and I can't find out how :( :? :shock: (I know the rest of the tray items are swallowed in jwm).
I can put my application next to "Show Desktop" but, I would really like to put it into the tray the way glipper is put there. How to?
ttuuxxx, how do you do it (I know you put glipper into the tray in early 4.2 development)?

thanks/
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#538 Post by ttuuxxx »

MinHundHettePerro wrote:Hi,
I want to put an application of mine into the jwm-tray, between glipper and blinky. So, I started looking around for how glipper got into the tray, and I can't find out how :( :? :shock: (I know the rest of the tray items are swallowed in jwm).
I can put my application next to "Show Desktop" but, I would really like to put it into the tray the way glipper is put there. How to?
ttuuxxx, how do you do it (I know you put glipper into the tray in early 4.2 development)?

thanks/
MHHP
Not all applications will swallow properly to the tray but, first you need to add it to
/root/.jwmrc-tray
then you need to start it in
/root/.xinitrc
and that should be good, which applications is it, If you can't get it working, provide me a link to the package or the sources and I'll give it a shot.
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#539 Post by MinHundHettePerro »

Thanks for your prompt reply, ttuuxxx!

The script is just a little thingy that, on the first click, starts an internet-radio stream, and on the next click, stops the streaming. Clicked again, it's started ....etc. A toggle-switch for an internet-radio channel.

I entered a swallow command in jwmrc-tray and added it in xinitrc - it started automatically to stream the radio channel upon boot but, didn't swallow into the tray. The thing is, I don't want it to start upon boot, just to have it ready to get started with the first click.
I even tried to supply a parameter in xinitrc, and then in my script have the first line to read somethin' like "[ ! -z $1 ] && exit 0" (and variants thereof) - still, it started upon boot and still, no icon in the tray.

I still can't see how you get glipper into the tray, though :? .

The app itself is not complicated at all:

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#!/bin/sh
# Copyright P (MHHP), 2009
# Toggle Valhalla-radio
# If there is a process-id for "mpg123 ... fosterland.mine.nu:8000/", then end the process, otherwise start.
URL='http://fosterland.mine.nu:8000/'
Player='mpg123'
Options='-g 100 --aggressive'

url=`echo $URL|cut -f 1 -d '.'`
CURR_PID=`ps|grep "$Player"|grep $url|cut -b -6`
[ -z $CURR_PID ] && $Player $Options $URL & 
kill $CURR_PID
exit 0
It works perfectly with

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<TrayButton popup="Valhalla-radio"  icon="/mnt/home/p/valhalla_radio/mjölner2.png">exec:/mnt/home/p/valhalla_radio/valhalla</TrayButton>
in /root/.jwmrc-tray :) , I just, for any odd reason :roll: , would like to have it on the right-hand side of the taskbar :?

cheers/
MHHP
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#540 Post by ttuuxxx »

MinHundHettePerro I'll look into that in later tonight,

I haven't seen anyone post if the xmms package on the last page should be in or out, it will add around 400-500kb extra, also I have 2 new apps that I'll be including also, for the next release.
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