Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

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davesurrey · #321 Post by **davesurrey** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 15:55

Hello ttuuxxx,
Not been able to look at this much these last two days as have been struggling with a whole load of problems to do with wifi and SDHC cards over several machines. In general, what a mess.

Anyway, back to Puppy.

You're version of MUT is ceratinly an improvement.
I've never really used MUT before but had a look and noticed the following.

1. I have volume labels for most of my partitions.
If I use MUT it identifies the labels but the screen display is a mess.
Please see attached.

2. I actually have partitions hdb10 and hdb11 but these are not seen in MUT. (Nor in Pmount).

They do appear on the desktop if I select them to display all partitions
and they are seen in Gparted but it gives an error for hdb10 and hdb11

Can't find valid filesystem superblock

On this machine I have arch, crunchbang, tinycore, slitaz, ubuntu , fedora, debian and puppy. All of them see hdb10 and hdb11 (actually sdb10 and sdb11) except 2.14x. Gparted doesn't report any error on any of them.

Any ideas?
Cheers
Dave

nubc · #322 Post by **nubc** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 15:55

oops, wrong thread

#323 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:06

davesurrey wrote:Hello ttuuxxx,

Any ideas?
Cheers
Dave

here try the updated version and take screenshot so I can have a better idea.
ttuuxxx

#324 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:40

I made some code changes, see if this will help with your 2 missing drives.
ttuuxxx

davesurrey · #325 Post by **davesurrey** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:56

Hi ttuuxxx
Tried both pets.
Result of latest one attached but doesnt seem to have done anything.
Cheers
Dave

OlddogNewtricks · #326 Post by **OlddogNewtricks** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 17:41

Hi ttuuxxx,
I've been trying your new mut. First I agree with clarf about wording. I'm quite happy with the old, what you get used too perhaps. Fonts are much better but a size or 2 too large in the boxes. Messy screen display already mentioned by davesurrey.

My personal view on colours.
Green o.k. but a shade too bright. Red for 'view' (mount) maybe. The background blue needs toning down to blend more with your background blue.

And finally the 'reload button'. I never knew it was till today (thanks clarf), I got into the habit of closing & reopening mut when attaching a usb stick so clarf's point about 'looking like a logo' is very valid. Perhaps the word refresh/reload would make it more obvious.

Keep up the good work ttuuxxx.

#327 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 18:02

OlddogNewtricks wrote:Hi ttuuxxx,
I've been trying your new mut. First I agree with clarf about wording. I'm quite happy with the old, what you get used too perhaps. Fonts are much better but a size or 2 too large in the boxes. Messy screen display already mentioned by davesurrey.

My personal view on colours.
Green o.k. but a shade too bright. Red for 'view' (mount) maybe. The background blue needs toning down to blend more with your background blue.

And finally the 'reload button'. I never knew it was till today (thanks clarf), I got into the habit of closing & reopening mut when attaching a usb stick so clarf's point about 'looking like a logo' is very valid. Perhaps the word refresh/reload would make it more obvious.

Keep up the good work ttuuxxx.

Ok I'll work on it

That's why I posted it, feedback is always good

even if its bad, lol
The thing about the green is that TCL the library doesn't do font colours very nice, I had to try about 8 different greens for the fonts to look clear. Oh ya, lol the background is also behind each icon, lol so If I was to change the background, then I would have to fire up gimp and redo all the icons again, maybe about 3 hours worth, lol.
Probably be quicker the second time around since now I know how to do .ppm images. I did get the background blue from the home icon and used the colour picker to match it up.
I'll see what I can do.
ttuuxxx

Minnesota · #328 Post by **Minnesota** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 18:10

Questions:

What is ROX? Ok.. .looked it up on google... but from newbee..... what is rox?

To clarify if you do not want to put labels on items like the refresh, can you add a TOOL-TIP? As cursor is moved over the item it will give you a bubble or at the very least a line someplace on the screen?

#329 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 18:20

Minnesota wrote:Questions:

What is ROX? Ok.. .looked it up on google... but from newbee..... what is rox?

To clarify if you do not want to put labels on items like the refresh, can you add a TOOL-TIP? As cursor is moved over the item it will give you a bubble or at the very least a line someplace on the screen?

Tool-tip great Idea, but how?? lol I know as much about tcl as I do how to build a space shuttle out of a couple of empty beer cans ,lol
I was only trying to dress it up, make it more user friendly, hover would be good, maybe I'll read a "TCL for Idiots" e-book, If it was gtk, it would be no problem, I could figure that out real easy. I could just take the refresh icon, make and add the words refresh underneath.
Who knows, from a simple spruce up to learning a new language, who would of knew? lol
ttuuxxx

Caneri · #330 Post by **Caneri** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 20:36

Here's 214X3 on .ca

http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/alphatesting/214X3.iso

http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/alphat ... so.md5.txt

Sorry it took so long.

I haven't been on the forum very much of late.

Best,
Eric

#331 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 22:54

Ttuuxxx, while you are at MUT, wouldn't browse not be a more intuitive for the button then view?

ecomoney · #332 Post by **ecomoney** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 23:11

On MUT in ecopup, I found the word "connect" and "disconnect" were quite well understood. Having the icons for drives on the desktop really does help file layout comprehension a lot with newbies though (that or XFE....how would XFE work with 2.14X? I know you did a package).

davesurrey · #333 Post by **davesurrey** » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 23:54

ttuuxxx,
Let me just add my voice and say I agree with clarf and OlddogNewtricks to keep Mount/Unmount as they are.

I am a great believer in keeping things as they are unless there is a very very good reason for change. Mount/Unmount is commonly used in Puppy and Linux and I would prefer we stick with them.

As regards what colour and font to use where, you are the boss.

Cheers
Dave

#334 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 01:44

Ok guys how's this, I changed the words back and toned down the colours

ttuuxxx

#335 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 02:52

Ok I updated the updated, update,lol
I added a box under the refresh image, So now it looks just like the rest

I did it the sneaky code free way, just made the image larger in gimp, made a box, added text and voila, done as dinner!
Time to move on

ttuuxxx

clarf · #336 Post by **clarf** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 03:22

ttuuxxx wrote:Ok I updated the updated, update,lol
I added a box under the refresh image, So now it looks just like the rest
I did it the sneaky code free way, just made the image larger in gimp, made a box, added text and voila, done as dinner!
Time to move on
ttuuxxx

Great work ttuuxxxx, it looks a lot better now.

I would like to see some colors in the buttons, the green used before was a good indicator for mounted drives, it could help users to see quickly all mounted drives (even better when you have many of them...). Maybe a neutral color for not mounted should be used, like a yellow or brown, not red because it cause too much contrast with the green... well, you are the designer ttuuuxx, you choose.

Thank you

#337 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 04:41

ok here's a side by side view I had them both running at the same time, The nice thing is that the make-over version i just finished, really didn't grow in size, but you can really see a better difference in fonts.
ttuuxxx

tasmod · #338 Post by **tasmod** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 08:21

Hi ttuuxxx,

Well I deleted my original copy just as the server went down !

I've since downloaded a new copy after Eric kindly re-opened 'play' again.

I wasn't sure if the copy was the problem but now I have a better result although still not there yet for me.

The wireless card is now recognised and I can open the dialogue but every time i get to the point of using the profile it hangs at an Xmessage saying saving profile and 67% of the progress bar. It will not progress further and is frozen at that point.

One other thing I noticed. When first started, the drive icons are the drive only, then as I sweep across them with the mouse a small 'empty' ball appears on them all. Obviously mounting them changes this.

No.1 son came in and noticed the 'bug', he approves, he's a big VW fan, wet and dry.

davesurrey · #339 Post by **davesurrey** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 09:22

Hello ttuuxxx.
Just seen your new version of MUT.
Looks much better than the original but I still doubt the text is spaced out enough so that when it shows a volume label the text will not over-write like I showed in my images above.

Also even after the code changes you did before it still didn't seem to recognise hdb10 and hdb11 but this may be due not to MUT but to something more fundamantal as Pmount also doesn't show them and gparted throws a wobbly. It may help you to say I observe this only happens in 2.14x not in any of the 4 series I have.

Let's see what the new version brings. Looking forward to it.
Cheers
Dave

davesurrey · #340 Post by **davesurrey** » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 09:38

Hello tasmod,
Not sure if there are any other Brits looking at this at the mo but you might have read that I have booting problems with a frugal install after selecting UK (rather than the default US) for the keyboard in the mouse-keyboard wizard.
Specifically it forces a 30 second pause at the stage

loadkmap: short read .......... failed

A new install is okay until I make this change.
Just wondered if you have the same.

I tried to reproduce your drive icon issue but I'm afraid mine all come up with the dots immediately.

By the way I guess you noticed that eric's site gives an MD5 file to check if your download is okay.

Good luck
Cheers
Dave

ps glorious day darf sowf. Hope Lincs is the same so you can take that car of yours out.

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