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few niggly wiggly bits
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reasonit

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Apr 2009, 02:54    Post subject:  few niggly wiggly bits
Subject description: tiny tiny things(from windows) that I miss in puppy
 

There are few windows features that i kind of miss in linux. These are more like lil tweaks, but IMO they do make a difference....

1. in windows instead of having to click 'X' to close windows, one can simply click, the right-top corner to close a window. In puppy however , one must 'aim' at the 'X' . This works only if the window is maximized

2. similarly clicking at the left-bottom corner opens the start-menu

3. Windows 7 extended this ability by adding the show-desktop fuction to the right-bottom corner

4. Independent hotkeys: hotkeys are window manager specific.
It would be fantastic to have window manager/desktop environments independent hotkeys. Maybe some app that runs in the background.
I understand how linux works , and know why this isn't easy to implement. Which is why my suggestion : possible to add a windows style default-gui-desktop-thingy 'inside' puppy, that works with all window managers??

5. I really really miss the run command from windows - win+r. There has to a puppy equivalent.
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Apr 2009, 10:13    Post subject:  

The functions you mention would be part of the JWM windows manager. You need to speak to a guy called "Patriot", he has a thread on here about JWM.

Im sure they would be welcome to the growing number of windows refugees we are seeing Very Happy

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droope


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PostPosted: Sun 03 May 2009, 16:12    Post subject:  

I really miss the win+d shortcut, it's so annoying not to have it Sad

Well, i do prefer puppy to windows, just saying it'd be a great add to have it implemented.
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TheProphet

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jun 2009, 01:51    Post subject:  

I always thought the win key was there to keep the alt and ctrl keys far enough apart that you don't hit the one when you meant to hit the other.

There's an older HOWTO about using xmodmap to set whatever hotkey combinations you want.

It starts out with a large warning not to muck about with it unless you really know what you want to do.

Which is probably why more people don't use it.

Ah, I just to check tried what works in both Gnome and KDE which is a ctrl +F2 combination to get the "run" command.

Forgot for a moment that I've an open program (this one) and it sticky-ed it to every desktop.

But that hotkey combination is there.

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jun 2009, 22:11    Post subject:  

droope wrote:
I really miss the win+d shortcut, it's so annoying not to have it Sad


Right On! I am soooo Win+d City Embarassed . While we are at it, I miss the entire Win+ suite, particularly Win+f (to open pFind perhaps) and Win+r to open the Run console.

It's all here http://productivity.ben61a.com/windows/windows-7-shortcut-keys.php
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DaveS


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jun 2009, 01:20    Post subject:  

Add this line to your .jwmrc-tray file, (which is a hidden file in /root/), which should add an icon to your tray to give you a command line box

Code:
<TrayButton icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/start-button.png">root:3</TrayButton>


This is fine in Puppy 4.1, but have never tried it in 4.2. Should be the same though.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jun 2009, 01:20    Post subject:  

Add this line to your .jwmrc-tray file, (which is a hidden file in /root/), which should add an icon to your tray to give you a command line box

Code:
<TrayButton popup="Run commandline" icon="gexec.xpm">exec:gexec</TrayButton>


This is fine in Puppy 4.1, but have never tried it in 4.2. Should be the same though.

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Patriot


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jun 2009, 07:51    Post subject: Re: few niggly wiggly bits
Subject description: tiny tiny things(from windows) that I miss in puppy
 

Hmmm .....

@reasonit

1. Yes, I'm aware of that. Currently the buttons focus are contained within the caption bar (minus 1 pix, I think). Increasing focus may get 'em tangled with the resize function, so, I'll leave it to Joe if he wants to work on it. I'm not keen on entangling myself.

2. Same as 1.

3. Same as 1.

4. If KDE or Gnome is not your cup of tea then maybe xfce or lxde ?

5. Please look at my thread here on how to get winkey to work in Puppy generally and sample keybindings for JWM

I am unable to work on JWM currently. Sometime in mid-May, my development machines had hdd issues. It took me nearly two weeks to recover, re-certify and rebuild them. My machines are now back online but time is a luxury I don't have right now.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jun 2009, 09:40    Post subject: Hot keys  

Hot keys are very easy to setup in Puppy, well Puppy 4.2 anyway.

Unfortunately I have to use windows at work and I always use the Windows+E key combination to run windows explorer.

To have the same functionality in Puppy, do this:

1. On the desktop right click on the house icon (ROX).
2. Choose edit item.
3. Under where it says "The keyboard short cut is:" Click on the (Click to set button)
4. Now press the Windows+E key combination.
5. Press OK, you are done.

Now any time you press the Windows Key + the E key Rox will pop up.

The possibilities are endless.

Enjoy.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:01    Post subject:  

Thanks Smokey !
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun 2009, 09:50    Post subject: dahditto
Subject description: a short tall order, plz ..
 

.. of making keycombos useful (easily and habitually recalled by the operator in some fashion) and getting them not to interfere with one another - I find this to be the case sometimes and it may also be exacerbated by wm-specific/'default' strokes (hey, Alt+F4 gives me the 4th desktop in E17, no mainmenu but there's the 1st desk usw .. good thing as rolling the scrollwheel to change desks like in jwm wasn't doing much until I nailed an appwindow in the pager with the pointer .. ah, good times with gui).

Mmm, sure you could make a 'master list' but will it serve as such? Even minimizing has some differences (to the tasklist? as an icon? available on how many desks/pages? docked with special contextmenu? .. and that's just 'minimizing' Wink ). Bear in mind console instructions and whether you focus sloppy, click or what have you and it gets to be fun (hats off to the nerDs who do console). Not to mention different wms or apps or file managers or imaging s/w or * and their ways (oops, too late Laughing ).

A whirl'd of variety Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 03:27    Post subject:  

I miss having a functional delete key in Rox, Ctrl-X or right click is the only thing I find "Unnatural" in linux these days.

Gary

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 05:09    Post subject: Re: few niggly wiggly bits
Subject description: tiny tiny things(from windows) that I miss in puppy
 

reasonit wrote:


4. Independent hotkeys: hotkeys are window manager specific.
It would be fantastic to have window manager/desktop environments independent hotkeys. Maybe some app that runs in the background.
I understand how linux works , and know why this isn't easy to implement. Which is why my suggestion : possible to add a windows style default-gui-desktop-thingy 'inside' puppy, that works with all window managers??


That's what Sven's for. Install it, and it doesn't matter what window manager you're using, the shortcuts still work. Just make sure Sven starts with your window manager. (e.g. drag it into the Startup folder)
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5. I really really miss the run command from windows - win+r. There has to a puppy equivalent.


There is, it's called gexec. Just setup win+r to run that program.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 06:06    Post subject:  

Where can the missing library be found.

libgio-2.0.so.0

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 06:09    Post subject:  

Never mind I found it.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=139200#139200

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