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What is the best Puppy Version ever, LOL
2.14x
23%
 23%  [ 8 ]
2.14x
11%
 11%  [ 4 ]
2.14x
29%
 29%  [ 10 ]
Other: 2.14x only
35%
 35%  [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 34

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Keef


Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Location: Staffordshire

PostPosted: Wed 03 Jun 2009, 17:31    Post subject:  

Compaq Armada 3500
PII 300mhz
320MB RAM
2GB CF card in IDE adapter
Frugal install (manual)

I used to use 214R for quite a while (a minimal setup using Ratpoison), but on a more modern laptop. I was a bit disappointed it didn't run that well on the system described above
This new revision is a lot quicker, and looks really good.
There are a few issues though. I had never used a subdirectory for 214R, so I tried that initially (using the guide earlier in the thread), and got it to boot (eventually). Problems occur on shutdown, with some changes being lost. I got this error:

merging initrd/pup-rw/ into initrd/pup_ro1
tail: cannot open "+2" for reading
No such file or directory

Also got this with an install to root. Tried both methods with and without an empty savefile.

Eventually got round this by sticking with the root install and removing PMEDIA=ideflash

This is my menu.lst for reference:
title 214X
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0
initrd /initrd.gz

I've gained a swapfile that I've never had before though.
Anyway, I have also installed Opera 10 turbo which works well.
Tried FirePup, but it is a bit erratic - adding bookmarks locks it up.

The Armada does not have an internal floppy, so gparted goes on walkabout trying to find it. I copied over gparted_shell from the patched version, and also got hold of probedisk2, and symlinked it to probedisk.
Now able to select the drive to open gparted with, *but*, pmount then only shows the (non-existant) floppy drive!
Mut works fine though.

On first boot, geany threw up this message:
'geany needs to move your old config file before starting. Your old config directory "/root/.geany" couldn't be moved to "/root/.config/geany" (invalid cross-link)'

Once I sorted out the savefile issue, I no longer get the message. Geany runs ok, either way.
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2009, 11:50    Post subject:  

I notice on this thread about the icewmpackage you made, 2.14r would not work because of the non standard menu layout 2.14r uses....I believe you said you had fixed that in 2.14X?
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jun 2009, 02:55    Post subject:  

@ttuuxxx ... working on 2 series is a joy on my machine. Wireless works perfectly everytime. Feels faster. Thanks for resurrecting this. Have got it installed and will definitely be watching this thread.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 01:28    Post subject:  

Well guys I've been working endlessly on this Seamonkey issue, And I've narrowed it down to something wrong with the backend, Its not Seamonkeys fault or flash, well it is to do with flash, but thats not it, I've installed 2 other Seamonkeys from grrrrr Mozilla that I downloaded, one was a gtk1 and the other was gtk2 both compiled as i686, and they both crashed with flash at the same websites doing the same thing, with different flash's installed. So I'll look at what I've compiled and installed in the past and try to work this flaw out. I know that libpangocairo was difficult to compile, it took a lot to get this compiled the first time, many attempts, its also a known fact when you look it up on google, you'll find lots of users finding it difficult to compile, I wish I had Barry's secret recipe for that, like which libs he used for a base for it.

Anyways I'll plug along with it, I also have the latest gimp, if anyone wanted it, its a 6.5MB pet, but its has almost all options compiled with it. Like it opens PS,MS graphics etc. heres the link.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/graphics/gimp-2.6.6-i386.pet
username:puppy
password:linux

ttuuxxx

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 15:09    Post subject:  

Hey guys, I fixed the flash crashing error, well I can view the pages now that used 2 crash which is great news Smile
Also last year I compiled a application called GtkHash, well I figured I would compile it for 2.14.1X Soooooo, I remembered that last time it had about 20 different file hashes and I figured well thats probably the reason why it was so large, like 250kb pet, So This time around I looked to see if I could disable all but 2 hash files, and yes I could, I kept md5 and sha1. since those are the most used on puppy and made the package, lol this time the whole package was 57kb, now thats a great size. So I'll include it with the next release, also I found another gtk2 picture viewer thats really small (47kb) and hasn't been on puppy yet, so I'll toss that one in also for testing. it has Fullscreen and slideshow, gif viewing, mouse and keyboard zooming. Not bad for the size Smile Anyways Tomorrow I'll put it all together and release it Smile
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 15:22    Post subject:  

Also guys if you could post some sites where the browser was crashing for you, I could test the sites and make sure that its now fixed, Thanks for your help Smile
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 16:29    Post subject:  

www.disney.com is a good site for testing flash

a lot of crashes occur when flash is unloaded...i.e. a page with flash is navigated away from...with no other flash pages open.

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 20:00    Post subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
www.disney.com is a good site for testing flash

a lot of crashes occur when flash is unloaded...i.e. a page with flash is navigated away from...with no other flash pages open.


Thanks for that Smile, lots of flash on those pages and It didn't crash Smile
so far so good Smile
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clarf


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 22:48    Post subject:  

Hi ttuuxxx, great news about seamonkey. Wink

I have a request, could you please include HardInfo in 2.14.1X. I installed 0.5.1 version and it works perfects, it´s also small enough to be included in the ISO.

Thanks ttuuxxx.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 23:18    Post subject:  

clarf wrote:
Hi ttuuxxx, great news about seamonkey. Wink

I have a request, could you please include HardInfo in 2.14.1X. I installed 0.5.1 version and it works perfects, it´s also small enough to be included in the ISO.

Thanks ttuuxxx.


Ok I was thinking about adding that, also I found a small dvd slide show maker, well its 500kb pet size but its real super easy to use, It will make vob or vfl files if ffmpeg or VFL is installed, but the good thing is that it makes the file as mpg if you don't have the 2 libs above, which can play in gxine fullscreen, It took me a bout 3 seconds to grab a few icons to test it with, and I had them sliding left and right, fading in and out etc. What a nice program to send family and friends images that fade in an out in 1 file, I might add it so people can try it and if we are really dire need for space, I could remove it.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 23:53    Post subject:  

What do people think about gtkam ? Its a 756kb pet package for the latest version. Kind of big, but really useful for anyone with a digital camera.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 00:16    Post subject:  

I would say if they can only afford a computer old enough to be suitable for puppy 2 series....they wouldnt be able to afford a digital camera

Good work for getting the flash stable!

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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 00:30    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Ok I was thinking about adding that, also I found a small dvd slide show maker, well its 500kb pet size but its real super easy to use, It will make vob or vfl files if ffmpeg or VFL is installed, but the good thing is that it makes the file as mpg if you don't have the 2 libs above, which can play in gxine fullscreen, It took me a bout 3 seconds to grab a few icons to test it with, and I had them sliding left and right, fading in and out etc. What a nice program to send family and friends images that fade in an out in 1 file, I might add it so people can try it and if we are really dire need for space, I could remove it.
ttuuxxx


Thanks ttuuxxxx. That slide show maker could be very useful, I´ll be happy to try it.

In my 2.x series I always delete some example files to free space:

There are some videos and pdf files in /usr/share/examples/video (about 128 KB) and /usr/share/examples/ps-pdf (47 KB), if those files are needed by new users to test apps, we can just compress them or make smaller versions.

In /usr/share/images there is a reference_image.ppm file, this image format is uncompressed and could be replaced for a smaller one (about 176 KB).

There are 2 MB used in /usr/share/doc just for readmes.

Please take a look on them.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 01:12    Post subject:  

Hi clarf hardware info is in, I made it twice, one with icons, and one without icons, the reason why it comes with 250kb of icons, when I deleted the icons this was the results
with icons -->229kb.pet
without icons -->168kb.pet
so out goes the icons, I did system link the systems icons but and saved 100kb, but when I ran it, it didn't pickup on the system links. So Best just to drop them.
ttuuxxx

ps since your eager, here's a pet to the mpg image slideshow maker.
to use it
Click --->Slideshow -->New and give it a name
Click --->Import the slides ---> and select each picture you want to use, jpeg,png, xpm etc
Click --->Slideshow --->export and your done Smile

more advanced method is
Click --->Slideshow -->New and give it a name
Click --->Import the slides ---> and select each picture you want to use, jpeg,png, xpm etc
Click on a image slide at the bottom, then select on the right hand side transition type, and try different ones with different images.
repeat above step until each slide has a transition then
Click --->Slideshow --->export and your done Smile

How easy is that?????
man thats a nice program.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 01:24    Post subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
I would say if they can only afford a computer old enough to be suitable for puppy 2 series....they wouldnt be able to afford a digital camera

Good work for getting the flash stable!


I can't believe you actually said that, man thats narrow minded, Teenpup is based on 2 series, it had thousands of downloads. Some people just find it works faster and more stable, I think so, If I wasn't always building some sort of puppy base, I probably would settle for 2 series, The reason why I would pick it over 4 series????? I bet your wondering now, lol
Gimp, plain and simple, 4 series can only use the older gimp unless you change glib and update it, ok yes we all know that, Butttttttt say you edit a png, jpg etc on gimp on 4 series and save it, great it saves:) but if you then edit the picture still in gimp and try to resave it over top of the one you just saved, the save screen is washed out and you can't, the way around it was to save it as a .psd file and it will let you save numerous times, but png,jpg, etc no sir-re-bob lol
but on 2 series with the latest gimp or the older gimps from 4 series work on it also, and yes you can resave on png, jpg etc. strange and its not libpng either at fault on series 4, because I recompiled it, and it wasn't fixed, on series 2 also Has the latest libpng with Apng patched Smile must be cairo playing up in series 4.0.
anyways that works for me. Plus Seamonkey is stable now, what more would someone want? lol

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