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HanSamBen-a derivative of Edupup with Gcompris 8.4- Alpha V2
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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2009, 14:11    Post subject:  

Thanks for reporting it Sidders, I was going to put v 0.2 on the computers at my preschool on Monday when term starts again, I will hold off for now.

Enjoy your break you have earned it!

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PostPosted: Wed 27 May 2009, 18:52    Post subject: HSB Light Alpha ... WOW !!!  

Hello,

Just downloaded HSB Light Alpha yesterday. The Live CD works great on both Virtual PC and on a Compaq Evo N800C (both using XVesa).
EDIT: Also works A-1, without fiddlling, on a no-name box (Celeron 500, 192 MB RAM.)

I love it, plain and simple. I'll be showing this puppy derivative to as many friends, family, and coworkers as I can, and hopefully put a test group together for you in this corner of world.

Congrats to all involved with Puppy Linux and HanSamBen. You guys have produced some real jewels!

Cheers and best regards.

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PostPosted: Sun 31 May 2009, 17:46    Post subject:    

Ok i'm back and have been working. There is a gxmessage for the 3 dosbox games "please wait ......... is starting" and for Gcompris, as thats a heavy application.
There is a couple of small scripts in My-apps "hide menus" and "restore menus" to do just that. Or you could go to /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc and edit that.

Its been a Linux scripting learning curve that needed to be tackled.

Question The Install script. What would the panel think about taking out the Menu>Setup> Puppy Universal Installer and in its place the script to install (Frugal or Full). Or its own menu item. I am thinking of going along the lines of taking out the Universal installer, but doubt has crept in, as it seems to be taking something away from Puppy Linux.

Note. This is on the Full Fat v2, which hasnt been uploaded yet. I'm still kicking about in the sandbox.

Another note. I think this should be called Edupup. Antonio i wil PM you. y.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jun 2009, 01:22    Post subject:  

I would say dont include ANYTHING in the menu's that may alter the setup of the computer in any way. I believe the menu could be taken out altogether leaving just the fixed desktop icons to launch the games. Remember parents need to have confidence that their little ones will not be formatting their precious files while their back is turned. What use would the PUI be to 3 yr olds?...its barely usable by most grown ups!

In that case....how to launch the installation script? The command line is inaccessible now that ctrl+alt+backspace is disabled.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=21288

May I suggest alt+altgr+i to launch the installer program? Easy to remember for parents/teachers (either side of the space bar, and it will be in the documentation too), but difficult for kids little hands to accidentally press Wink

add the line to the install script

Code:
cp /etc/X11/*.conf /mnt/sda1/etc/X11


This will make sure that the video settings that have been set up using the xorgwizard will be used in the new install, preventing them from having to be entered again.

Regarding the name...."Edupup" would be instantly recognizable to puppy users or those with linux experience (as in Edubuntu), but would it be recognizable/memorable to those that have not used *any* linux before? They are by far the biggest section of computer users out there (more is the pity)

Suggestions on a postcard please.....



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PostPosted: Tue 02 Jun 2009, 16:28    Post subject:  

Technosaurus more or less wrote the script i have put in for the install:
Code:
#!/bin/sh
RAMSIZE=`free | grep 'Mem:' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 3 -d ' '` #total physical ram (less shared video).
if [ $RAMSIZE -gt 220000 ]
then
frugal-install
else
full-install
fi


It works, i have altered the RAM value to test both for the Frugal and Full installs. It will not run with a click (even though the permisions are correct), i can only sumise that this is due to the lack of executables involved, its all script. Never-the-less i created a .desktop file which will run the script., or it will run from CLI.

I am struggling with the keyboard shortcut. I have edited and i think this is due to something i have mentioned above (not executable).
/.jwm/jwmrc-personal
Code:
<Key mask="C" key="S">exec:install</Key>


I tried the exec:xterm just to make sure i have the jwm right and that worked, i then symlinked the .desktop file and ran the key to that, but no joy there. If someone knows then please let on.
I will play some more. I havnt figured a 3 ket combo either yet, i just wan to get this right first and then work on that.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Jun 2009, 22:15    Post subject:  

this works for pcp (running 4.2 so this was just a test)
Code:
<Key mask="C" key="S">exec:pcp</Key>


In this file
/root/.jwm/jwmrc-personal

(I would avoid using ctrl + s however since it is the almost universal save... much like control + p to print)

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Jun 2009, 22:25    Post subject:  

there could also be another program called install in /usr/bin - that would likely take precedence - maybe just create a symlink to your other install called "easyinstall" in one of the directories defined by

Code:
echo $PATH


the set your keybinding to exec:easyinstall

my guess is that your other methods contain the full path to the executable script

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Jun 2009, 09:36    Post subject:  

After a lot digging around and reading tutorials i found the answer. I thought it would be a fundemental peice of code, but as i'm new to Linux scripting it didnt come easy. It needed another script to start the script in xterm.
Key combo points to easystart which starts easyinstall.

Easystart:
Code:
xterm -e easyinstall


Just got to put it together and test it as i have now gotten a pile of blank Cd's.

For those script\linux gurus out there, i am sat in the corner with a hat on Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2009, 07:21    Post subject:  

Quote:
For those script\linux gurus out there, i am sat in the corner with a hat on


LMAO!!! Join the club.

Sidders/Technosaurus, great work on the install script! I will point crash/rcn51 (who are working on the installer script in the direction of this thread..perhaps they will help). The install script is a generally VERY useful thing to all of Puppy, but particularly to HSB.

Its half term here, the kids go back on monday. I would be nice if possible to have a version to update the computers at the preschool with then.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009, 03:45    Post subject:  

I have updated HSBV2Full. It has all the trimmings (Cups and Firepup) A meaty 221mb.

Just tested the new script (see Brand New below) and it worked brilliantly on a full install. The only problem was i looked away and it had finished, I didnt know what to do, so i will build in a message tonight and retest and then upload.

Very Happy Brand New
Easyinstall
Iinstall scripts from crash and rcrsn51 (Full and Frugal) the ram seeking part from Technosaurus and I can put my name to the script:
"xterm -e easyinstallstart" to get the ball rolling.

The install (easyinstall) can be accessed from either the setup menu or the key combo CTRL+ALT+I. (couldnt get the ALTGR)

Easyinstall will happily detect how much memory is in the machine, taking into account shared video memory, then wipe the harddrive install either full or frugal (depending on memory) and install grub.

The name easyinstall can be changed.

Bouyed by evenings in, trying to get my head around scripting, theres a couple more.
CTRL+ALT+H will hide the menus. To bring the menus back, navigate to /USR/BIN/RESTOREMENUS.

Gcompris is fully functional. There is still an error when run from the console, to do with gst-plugin-good and I tried several versions, but there are no adverse effects. It will also display a message “please wait,Gcompris is starting”. Scripting again!

The dosbox games, Fatty Bear and The Playroom now run in a window and not fullscreen. The mouse is also not locked into the game, so you can just click the X to close the window and not have to ctrl+Q or C or whatever.

How do you link to a particular post ina thread?

cj.veniot is doing a guide




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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009, 07:42    Post subject:  

Fantastic Sidders! I think its great that a specialist kids derivitive is now the easiest of all Puppy Linux's to install! This is when its Puppy Linux's first primary mission objective..... "Puppy will easily install to [...] hard drive media".

Im really looking forward to testing the new HSB, please upload even alpha or "in progress" versions and I will give them a run-through..."many eyes" Smile

To link to a particular post in a thread, look at the number after the "start" in the url..like this...

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43030&start=57

basically, count how many posts down the one you want to link to add that number to post number. This forum displays in pages of 15 posts per page. To get the link above I had to add 12 to the 45 that was on the page, giving 57.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009, 08:09    Post subject: Thanks, working great
Subject description: few feedbacks
 

Hi Sidders, thanks for this derivative, it's working great.
I tested the v0.2 with few feedbacks:
-Some help html files shortcut/menu errors: you might set the /usr/local/bin/defaulthtmlviewer to Netsurf to solve this.
-Few shortcut are missing in /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/, to be deleted/amended?
-there is no menu icons for Fatty bears, Playroom, Firepup. I don't know why, I made it worked by creating a fbear.png from the FBEAR.ICO with gimp, but there should be better solutions.

suggestion:
"cj.veniot is doing a guide", add this future guide in the menu "help" or the welcome1stboot.htm ?

I had just some problem exiting one dos game (don't remember which one), then I just killed X. I found some hints in my-documents afterwards.
If needed some guidelines could be put onscreen, starting the game with a script:
#!/bin/sh
yaf-splash -font "1x2" -placement top-left -outline 0 -margin 0 -bg grey -text "Alt+Q to Exit" &
X1PID=$!
fattybear
kill $X1PID
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jun 2009, 08:06    Post subject:  

Full Fat at:
http://www.ecomoney.eu/hsb/

and

http://www.filefactory.com/f/4e743f02873f2576/

as described a couple of posts above.

ljfr- i have done the icons for the dos games and well pointed out in the nick of time, the open-with. I have ammended one and deleted the others.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 12:19    Post subject: HanSamBen "Getting Started" user guide: format and location  

Hello,

I had thought of putting a guide together in PDF format, but I thought it good to ask what format you would prefer.

I'm thinking that users could pop the HanSamBen CD into any computer to view the guide (or print it, or parts of it) before trying the CD, in case their having problems of just want to get oriented first. Just about anybody on any machine with any O/S can open that.

Problem is, I don't think HanSamBen has a PDF viewer, to view documentation while running this distro.

Suggestions?

Much appreciated. Best regards.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 16:55    Post subject:  

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