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Frugal 214x HD install

#81 Post by mawebb88 »

vg1 wrote:mawebb88.


Edit: in your case it should read:

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title Puppy214X
rootnoverify (hd0,1)/puppy214X
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda2 PUPMODE=12 SFSFILE=ntfs,sda2,/puppy214X/pup_214R.sfs ZDRV=ntfs,sda2,/puppy214X/zdrv_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ntfs,sda2,/puppy214X/pup_save.2fs
# pfix=fsck DEV1FS=ntfs
initrd /initrd.gz
Make sure that you have a 'satahd' flag on sda2, which you probably do already. P214R has a problem when booting a frugal install the first time without a pup_save. Either boot from cd first & create a pup_save on exit, or borrow a copy of an existing pup_save & try with that. It probably won't work correctly and you will later discard it, but if you do succeed to boot then with this save_file file in the appropriate dir [and named pup_save.2fs so it is pointed to correctly in the above entry] you should be able to boot with pfix=ram and create a proper pup_save on exit.

Once you get it going you can add DEV1FS=ntfs to the kernel line to gain a sec or two at boot.

Does that help?

vg
Thanks vg for your suggestions. Tried but still not successful. Gets further but ends up with kernel panic. Tried taking out one parameter at a time but no joy and lost myself what I had or had not tried. I don't think my drive is sata BTW.

BTW I have 214R working fine from a USB stick on the same PC. I think I just try 214X from the same stick for my next move. Will report back if I have any further news.
Rgds Mike

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#82 Post by legendofthor »

G'day,
Just found this Project - all I can say is thank you to all the developers working on this especially ttuuxxx.... Puppy Series 2 certainly breathes new life into old computers.
I can test and compile programmes but system stuff is beyond me - in the next few days will start a thorough testing of the updates.
Is there going to be a central repository for the updated Puppy series 2 programmes or are you going to take Barry's suggestion and place them in Ibiblio?

Maybe kindly ask Caneri if he would be willing to start a new Folder Repository for New and Updated programmes - Series 2. In this way anything I make workable for series 2 will have a home.

Cheers
Martin
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#83 Post by vg1 »

Mike,

sorry to hear you still get kernel panic.If you think your drive is not sata then try PMEDIA=idehd and replace each instance of sda by hda. Ensure you have 'idehd' on hda1.

Whatever the problem you will still need a pup_save file. Try using a copy of your working 214R pup_save. Place it in the appropriate folder & name accordingly. If all names & grub entries agree then it could work. If it boots but does not work correctly you at least know that the menu.lst entries are ok. But you still need a working pup_save and the method described in my earlier post will not work.

To create a new empty pup_save boot into your p412 in rox, navigate to /hda2/puppy214x and open a 'terminal here' [right click > window > terminal here ' or just " ' "] then:

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dd if=/dev/zero of=pup_save.2fs bs=1M count=32
to make a 32MB pup_save.2fs, then:

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mke2fs pup_save.2fs
to turn it into an ext2 file system. Alternatively you can use any pup_save file, click to mount & open in rox [ie in p412], delete all inside it, click again to close, and you have an empty pup_save file.

Now boot with this empty pup_save file in /hda2/puppy214x and a correct PUPSAVE parameter as in the previous post, and your p214X should boot as with pfix=ram. It will ask you a few question as on first boot & will populate the pup_save. On 2nd boot it should work as normally with a new pup_save.
I went through this precise sequence and it worked for me. I now have a frugal install with a new pup_save and all works fine.

Good luck.

vg

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#84 Post by ttuuxxx »

legendofthor wrote:G'day,
Just found this Project - all I can say is thank you to all the developers working on this especially ttuuxxx.... Puppy Series 2 certainly breathes new life into old computers.
I can test and compile programmes but system stuff is beyond me - in the next few days will start a thorough testing of the updates.
Is there going to be a central repository for the updated Puppy series 2 programmes or are you going to take Barry's suggestion and place them in Ibiblio?

Maybe kindly ask Caneri if he would be willing to start a new Folder Repository for New and Updated programmes - Series 2. In this way anything I make workable for series 2 will have a home.

Cheers
Martin
To tell you the truth I don't know, each package I compile can be split into 2-3 packages. usually the main program and the dev files and sometimes the locales. Now time that by 50 or so packages and your talking about a lot of extra work, really 95% of the packages are included in the the actual Os and Devx. Those packages would only be good if you want to do a unleashed and even then there is no unleashed for 2.14.1r, heck we can't even get the recompiled kernel for it, and the regular default 2.14 kernel without the extra modules is really not a good general kernel, like I said all the earlier 2.02-2.14 don't work on sata dvd players or newer videocards and xvesa is 10fps, I wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for the updated modules in 2.14.1r. If Barry was to recompile the kernel with extra modules like 2.14.1R has then I would think about doing all that extra work. Actually I probably would start from scratch again. This time with a proper xdg puppy menu and a barebones version.

as for the a new repo etc, thats for whoever wants to continue this after I'm done, maybe John from teenpup since he has proven that he likes this series. I'm more for Dpup and think that Dpup will be a better choice for older pc's when I'm finished with it.

I've been working of the devx, and fixing a small few issues it had. Also the xfburn package I made for 4 series didn't work because of the older glibc, So I recompiled the backend of xfburn, below are 2 packages, could some people please install both packages and test xfburn and see if it runs well ?
This is the first time its been ported to 2 series, just remember it comes with its own burning engine, so if you had issues with other burners then try this one. Since its the latest burning backend.
ttuuxxx
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#85 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi Guys just made another version up and I was going to release it, but first I wanted to test it, and found a couple of small issues, So i'll fix them then release it in about another 2 hrs or so, does anyone want Pburn included, Most of the backend is already included for the other burning applications, it will add about 188kb compressed. Well let me know.
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#86 Post by clarf »

ttuuxxx wrote:Hi Guys just made another version up and I was going to release it, but first I wanted to test it, and found a couple of small issues, So i'll fix them then release it in about another 2 hrs or so, does anyone want Pburn included, Most of the backend is already included for the other burning applications, it will add about 188kb compressed. Well let me know.
ttuuxxx
Thanks ttuuxxx, you are quite fast...

I´ll like to see icewm updated for 2 series, I tried to compile 1.3.3 version once for Puppy 4.1.2 and I couldn´t (didn´t tried to compile it for 2 series yet). Had you tried it ttuuxxx?.

I don´t use Pburn right now, but 188kb seems a very small size :wink: .

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#87 Post by ttuuxxx »

clarf wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Hi Guys just made another version up and I was going to release it, but first I wanted to test it, and found a couple of small issues, So i'll fix them then release it in about another 2 hrs or so, does anyone want Pburn included, Most of the backend is already included for the other burning applications, it will add about 188kb compressed. Well let me know.
ttuuxxx
Thanks ttuuxxx, you are quite fast...

I´ll like to see icewm updated for 2 series, I tried to compile 1.3.3 version once for Puppy 4.1.2 and I couldn´t (didn´t tried to compile it for 2 series yet). Had you tried it ttuuxxx?.

I don´t use Pburn right now, but 188kb seems a very small size :wink: .
ok a bit late for this release, but I'll try to compile icewm and include pburn next release :)
I did manage to compile the latest icewm on upup, Due to the fact that we have a older glibC on this 2 series, it makes flash buggy on some sites, I think flashblock will be in the next release also, youtube works fine even in fullscreen, but sourceforge when your trying to download crashes the browser, grrrrrrrr like they need flash anyways, I narrowed it down to a utf8/flash issue.
I'll have to look into it, or just use flashblock which is usually best anyways, makes sites load quicker and less cpu/memory usage.
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#88 Post by ttuuxxx »

clarf wrote: Thanks ttuuxxx, you are quite fast...

I´ll like to see icewm updated for 2 series, I tried to compile 1.3.3 version once for Puppy 4.1.2 and I couldn´t (didn´t tried to compile it for 2 series yet). Had you tried it ttuuxxx?.

I don´t use Pburn right now, but 188kb seems a very small size :wink: .
Well I just tried to compile Icewm and it compiled just fine :)
So that can be a extra after :)
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#89 Post by ttuuxxx »

Here's the latest stable Icewm, I haven't added or modified it, So its really plain-Jane looking and no freememory applet or blinky. That will happen much later :) lol
also included a Locales/nls package
ttuuxxx

to start it exit X, and type
xwin icewm-session
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#90 Post by ttuuxxx »

Here's the next release guys, lots of updates and bugs fixed :)
enjoy :) latest software like Geany, leaf pad, osmo,gftp, mtpaint, 5ball,(older flash) etc Removed some text from the connection wizard that said "coming soon" lol like how?? and made a link on it to wireless drivers, and added icons. etc, added a excellent gtk2 theme that tronkel used in 302ce :) Thanks tronkel :wink:
ttuuxxx
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... /214X1.iso

Ps the first release I installed gnutls but it was kind of big, so I removed it and replaced it with the latest Openssl, and then dillo was dead due to the fact it links against the full path, so then I made a couple of system links and dillo was up and running again. I could of recompiled dillo but what else could of been broken, the safest way way just to make a few links.
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Updating 2 series

#91 Post by Roy »

ttuuxxx,

Thank you for this work... it's fantastic!

I downloaded your first version, loaded it onto a USB stick with Unetbootin, and booted into a nice, clean, well-organized desktop! Then I installed your 2 dot-pet upgrades and remastered a fresh CD -- my first attempt with Puppy's remastering program.
The updated CD works like a charm (I'm using it Live right now).

Monitoring Htop during normal work shows about 65MB of RAM is being used, although browsing with Seamonkey while watching a video movie and performing a full file system search takes the RAM useage to 520MB -- as if anybody in their right mind would do all that at the same time. lol

I'm beginning to think I could run this on an old Toshiba laptop that has only 64MB of RAM, if I create a 100MB swap partition! Of course, the ORIGINAL Puppy 2.14 had Xorg issues with some of those Toshiba video drivers... (Rerwin had posted a cure_for_hanging-probe fix somewhere in the Puppy 4 Beta thread, if I recall.) It will be another month or so before I see that old machine again but will gladly report back with results if anyone is interested. Will 214 Reloaded require that fix I wonder?

A couple of things, though; Which dot-pet series should we look for to add features? I am attaching a screen shot that is requesting an x-shockwave-flash plugin for Seamonkey and in an effort to minimize forum space, looked for the familiar Zip icon on the desktop to compress the file. It's not there! Would it be possible to write a Command Line function example in the Help file for a non-geek end-user to find and use? Of course, there's always Google.

Guys, THIS is why I like Puppy! This looks like a simple, clean, home operating system that works out-of-the-box with nearly all the functionality a home user would ever need.

Thank you, ttuuxxx!

P.S. - Either it's my bandwidth or the forum restrictions, but it doesn't look like my attached screenshot is going to make it. Sorry about that!

[EDIT] I forgot to ask: Since you are updating the filesystem on this distro, will Skype be able to run on it or is that a definite no-go due to other dependencies?
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#92 Post by clarf »

ttuuxxx wrote:Here's the next release guys, lots of updates and bugs fixed :)
enjoy :) l
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... /214X1.iso
Thank´s ttuuxxx, could you add the file checksum please?. I don´t trust my wifi connection anymore...
ttuuxxx wrote: Ps the first release I installed gnutls but it was kind of big, so I removed it and replaced it with the latest Openssl...
ttuuxxx
You are reaching the 97MB size now for this ISO. I hope you can hold it under 100MB, I know many people request many things and it´s hard to balance size/features, but I'm sure you know which apps are better.

You are the man :wink:
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#93 Post by clarf »

ttuuxxx wrote:
clarf wrote: Thanks ttuuxxx, you are quite fast...

I´ll like to see icewm updated for 2 series, I tried to compile 1.3.3 version once for Puppy 4.1.2 and I couldn´t (didn´t tried to compile it for 2 series yet). Had you tried it ttuuxxx?.

I don´t use Pburn right now, but 188kb seems a very small size :wink: .
Well I just tried to compile Icewm and it compiled just fine :)
So that can be a extra after :)
ttuuxxx
Glad to read that, Icewm 1.2x have problems with some applications neither show the correct mini-icon in the window bar or taskbar, instead is shown a black square. I have this problem with last icewm dotpup for 4.1 but that problem was fixed in icewm 1.3 branch...

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=de ... tid=100031

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[SOLVED]Frugal 214x1 HD install

#94 Post by mawebb88 »

vg1 wrote:Mike,

sorry to hear you still get kernel panic.If you think your drive is not sata then try PMEDIA=idehd and replace each instance of sda by hda. Ensure you have 'idehd' on hda1.

Whatever the problem you will still need a pup_save file. Try using a copy of your working 214R pup_save. Place it in the appropriate folder & name accordingly. If all names & grub entries agree then it could work. If it boots but does not work correctly you at least know that the menu.lst entries are ok. But you still need a working pup_save and the method described in my earlier post will not work.

To create a new empty pup_save boot into your p412 in rox, navigate to /hda2/puppy214x and open a 'terminal here' [right click > window > terminal here ' or just " ' "] then:

Code: Select all

dd if=/dev/zero of=pup_save.2fs bs=1M count=32
to make a 32MB pup_save.2fs, then:

Code: Select all

mke2fs pup_save.2fs
to turn it into an ext2 file system. Alternatively you can use any pup_save file, click to mount & open in rox [ie in p412], delete all inside it, click again to close, and you have an empty pup_save file.

Now boot with this empty pup_save file in /hda2/puppy214x and a correct PUPSAVE parameter as in the previous post, and your p214X should boot as with pfix=ram. It will ask you a few question as on first boot & will populate the pup_save. On 2nd boot it should work as normally with a new pup_save.
I went through this precise sequence and it worked for me. I now have a frugal install with a new pup_save and all works fine.

Good luck.

vg
Success! Many thanks VG. Here is my menu.lst:

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title Puppy214X1
rootnoverify (hd0,1)/puppy214x1
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hda2 PUPMODE=12 SFSFILE=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/pup_214R.sfs ZDRV=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/zdrv_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/pup_save.2fs
# pfix=fsck DEV1FS=ntfs
initrd /initrd.gz
I upgraded to ttuuxxx's X1 version as you can see. I created an empty pup_sav file using your two lines of code. Worked fine.

Nice and fast on mt Acer Aspire 5100. Network wizard worked fine with my WPK encryption setup. One problem I have is that LinNeighborhood does not show correctly the files on my Samba LANDisk. I will post separately to see if ttuuxx can add Pnethood (as in Series 4) which works ok.
Rgds Mike

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Can we have Pnethood

#95 Post by mawebb88 »

@ttuuxxx

Please can we have Pnethood from series 4 in 214x? LinNeighborhood does not work correctly with my Samba LANDisk (get giberish file names-common to LinNeighborhood with other distros). Pnethood works fine providing I fix the CIF problem by executing:

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echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled
Just before displaying the files in Rox. (I reported this elsewhere on the forum)

Thanks in anticipation :) (& also thanks for all your great work)

Mike

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Seamonkey Crashes

#96 Post by mawebb88 »

Seamonkey seems to crash quite often. Examples:

I had great difficulty in logging into My Yahoo.com. Persevered and now it works.

http://france.meteofrance.com/france/accueil crashes if you attempt to look at the weather on a future day. (Clue? i bocked the initial popup using SM's popup blocker)

Rgds Mike

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#97 Post by ttuuxxx »

Its the flash or a combo of plugins located in /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins if you move the plugins to another location then restart Seamonkey you should be fine, It could be one of the other plugins. I'll keep working on it, maybe I might have to recompile Seamonkey, since all the changes to the backend.
I'll try that. Might have to disable utf8.
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Re: Can we have Pnethood

#98 Post by ttuuxxx »

mawebb88 wrote:@ttuuxxx

Please can we have Pnethood from series 4 in 214x? LinNeighborhood does not work correctly with my Samba LANDisk (get giberish file names-common to LinNeighborhood with other distros). Pnethood works fine providing I fix the CIF problem by executing:

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echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled
Just before displaying the files in Rox. (I reported this elsewhere on the forum)

Thanks in anticipation :) (& also thanks for all your great work)

Mike
I'll try to get pnethood up and running also.
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#99 Post by ttuuxxx »

For Pnethood try this package, please report back if it works :)
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#100 Post by ttuuxxx »

wow I just compiled the latest version of Samba 95MB extracted, what a massive program!!.
anyways I'll make a client package and post it.
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