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AbiWord 2.6.4 - Upgrade wanted

#1 Post by davids45 »

G'day.

Abiword 2.6.4 is able to open MS 2007 docx format files whereas the Abi older versions in Pup cannot, or the pet plug-in to do it, I can't find.

Abiword seems not to want the lay person (like me) to install it in Linux, but to pass the job onto the "distribution".

Could "the distribution" create a Pup of 2.6.4 and its associated bits, please?

Abiword 2.6.4 is fine in XP, so I could use it in wine I suppose.

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#2 Post by disciple »

2.6.3 supports docx doesn't it?
So you could upgrade your Puppy or try just installing the .pet from the Puppy repository...
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#3 Post by davids45 »

G'day,
I thought it did too, but when I tried on a couple of Pup installs, both gave rubbish whereas my full & fresh 2.6.4 XP install read the docx file.
It may be just the plug-in for 2.6.3 I need then?
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#4 Post by ttuuxxx »

heres a free online converter
http://www.docx2doc.com/
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#5 Post by disciple »

I suspect you just need to install the "Abiword plugins" package from petget... it probably just isn't included in the Puppy iso.
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Abiword PET for Puppy 3.01?

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I'm using Puppy 3.01 as a full HD install, and since I've got it tweaked the way I want it, I'd just as soon not upgrade. I would like to upgrade Abiword to a version that can handle docx files.

Is there a PET for Abiword 2.6.3 that will work on 3.01? The only one I find in the repositories is for Dingo; will that work in 3.01?

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#7 Post by ecomoney »

Do you guys realise the trouble you caused posting this.... :D
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#8 Post by trio »

I got my existing abiword in 4.2 opens docx correctly & also on click..

first docx mime types pet from tuuxx from official 4.2 deep thought official patches&updates thread

and I use this plugin (pet below) also I downloaded the /usr/share/abiword-2.6 from official ubuntu jaunty deb (follow the link from abiword homepage)

that's all I did

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#9 Post by trio »

screenshot below> and I did download plugins from pet get, but somehow it didn't work
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#10 Post by ttuuxxx »

I don't get why your all doing that? have you tried the fix I made like over a month ago?
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... pdated.pet
and
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=16845
if you click on a docx file it should open up straight away.
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#11 Post by trio »

ttuuxxx wrote:I don't get why your all doing that? have you tried the fix I made like over a month ago?
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... pdated.pet
and
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=16845
if you click on a docx file it should open up straight away.
ttuuxxx
I don't know also :lol: but my abiword was not working before ..tried here and there...and also found this thread complaining...so I figure I post my experience..that's all......I don't know about your fix, and this is one example of scattered infos and fixes...

should I just delete it then?

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#12 Post by ttuuxxx »

trio wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:I don't get why your all doing that? have you tried the fix I made like over a month ago?
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... pdated.pet
and
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=16845
if you click on a docx file it should open up straight away.
ttuuxxx
I don't know also :lol: but my abiword was not working before ..tried here and there...and also found this thread complaining...so I figure I post my experience..that's all......I don't know about your fix, and this is one example of scattered infos and fixes...

should I just delete it then?
I don't know, this is the one in puppies 4.2 v2 and works well, it opens docx files and makes every format that abiword offers, its just a bit older version that I updated with the latest plugins compiled on 4.2.
really there wouldn't be any difference between the latest version and this version other than this version doesn't need TYMES font enabled by default. Which I tried to enable Tymes font as the main system default font, but it looks like its really embedded into puppy.
I even deleted the usr/share/fonts folder and replaced it with tymes fonts and also changed configs in root and in etc/ and still it reverts to the original fonts, Thats why I like this version above I posted, it just works out of the box, no messing around with system defaults for fonts etc.
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#13 Post by ecomoney »

What Im saying Ttuxxx, is that these were the only guys on here who needed the "Upgrade" of Abiword to get the .DocX support, with the result that no one could open almost ALL Word Docs created on Windoze (except devs)....and a whole heap of trouble besides.

If Abiword had been a .pet, that had been compiled, released through .petget, tested, and the bugs ironed out there before it was included in the main Distro, a lot less people would be smarting now.

Same goes for the the CUPS and Seamonkey that was included having just been compiled.

I do understand that there is no warranty/is free/no responsibility on the part of the programmer etc

Just a thought for the future
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#14 Post by ttuuxxx »

Just a thought for the future, stop saying there is something wrong with Seamonkey when its running 100% perfect, It displays a security warning because a newer version is out. That is how its designed, its not a flaw, it works perfect. Mozilla designed it that way, to remove a security feature because it displays once and you can tick it so it doesn't display again is wrong,thats up to the user and does not warrant a "flaw", So take that out of your bag of complaints on here. Its bad enough with abiword and Cups, no need to add extras that aren't actually faults, I'm actually very proud of that Seamonkey I put into 4.2, a lot of work, effort, time went into it and also made me put Seamonkey on the same level as Firefox for once, it used to be on the bottom of list of browsers I liked, I hated the GUI,look and overall feel, now its just as good, if not better than a default Firefox install.
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#15 Post by disciple »

Since we're complaining about abiword again, I'll mention again that Abiword in 4.x has always tended to not display half the text in a document (at least .doc, I'm not sure about other formats). Around here the fact the version you blame Ttuuxxx for worked even less often than usual isn't even an issue, because it was broken in the first place :(
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#16 Post by ecomoney »

Ttuxxx, your thinking shows your definetely a developer, and very experienced with technical matters. Its classic of the way developers think, and exactly why they should take on suggestions from those with real world experience. If puppy is to be successful, then it needs the Users views to be taken into account too, or it just becomes an excercise in programming for programmers.

My point on this thread is that an Abiword upgrade was unneccesary, as there was very little demand for it. Changing packages that have been tested and already "work as well as they can" brings a risk of introducing more serious bugs...as what happened. Users dont want features they want benefits....the benefit here is "can open almost all M$ word Documents" rather than "Can only open a few M$ Word documents, without workaround".

If a new package is introduced, it should be demonstrated there is a clear demand for the extra features it will bring (in this case .docx support), and that the package introduced has been thoroughly tested (as a .pet from .petget for example). Not straight from source code to puppy.

Off topic, one question....is Seamonkey .01 of a version behind the current release more secure or less secure than Internet Explorer on Windows? If it is more secure (which it is) then it should say it is. Not warn about a theoretical security risk, download an update which doesnt install...that just makes Puppy look incomplete, as well as insecure, and gives people more of an excuse to return to teletubby land. Its about perception.

Previous Seamonkeys were configured in this way (without automatic updates), and changing that has not been a topic of discussion on this board, rather your own personal preference.

You shouldnt take this as complaints Ttuxxx...only as information on how to make a Puppy that more people want and is useful to. Thats everyones goal right?

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#17 Post by disciple »

BTW there is always demand for updated Abiword packages - you must be kidding if you say otherwise. But of course you are right - we should only update if it means things work better on average :)
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#18 Post by ttuuxxx »

disciple wrote:BTW there is always demand for updated Abiword packages - you must be kidding if you say otherwise. But of course you are right - we should only update if it means things work better on average :)
Really if you have a well working abiword, I would keep that and just updated which ever plugins you don't have like docx, you can take that from the package I posted above and drop it in a earlier Abiword compiled on 4 series and it will work. I wouldn't updated all the plugins, because some might give you issues, but I know that the docx plugin works.
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ecomoney wrote:Ttuxxx, your thinking shows your definetely a developer, and very experienced with technical matters. Its classic of the way developers think, and exactly why they should take on suggestions from those with real world experience. If puppy is to be successful, then it needs the Users views to be taken into account too, or it just becomes an excercise in programming for programmers.
I'm sorry, ecomoney, but, much though I've previously stated how important your kind of endeavour is, the kind of discourse embedded in your above statements is frankly intolerable in this day and age. Yours is clearly an attempt to propagate the message that developers are somehow inherently unable to think beyond the technical, whereas the "manager" (as you appear to imagine yourself) is some other distinct kind of being who has the foresight to see the so-called "bigger picture". Such discourse is at best utter rubbish and at worst a diabolical and deceptive strategy infused with egotistical arrogance.

Admittedly, there are others on this forum (some of whom who have successfully achieved positions of power and status) who like to spout similar forms of discourse, and who, not unsurprisingly, have even cross swords with yourself, the self-aspiring Pretender perhaps to the throne one might say... but that is no excuse for your own sentiments and public behaviour.

What you say in the above quoted paragraph is rather like saying that women cannot understand technical matters or drive cars (properly); many possibly (and perhaps sensibly) don't want to and thus never do, but that is a different matter.

You, and those like you, are clearly trying to create the myth, in the minds of the listener, that only some "sorts of people" are privileged to such forms of knowledge and experience; a discourse and general attitude which is typical of those who want to "manage" for the sake of being in positions of "power". The myth has to be created, because who and what do you "manage" if you don't have anyone willing to obey and who is actually capable of doing the creative work itself.

The proposed myth is complete self-protecting nonsense of course. All humans are perfectly capable of doing most things if they put in the effort and put their minds to it. By far the best so-called "managers or senior administrators" that I have come across have previously themselves been at the top-of-the-tree in the relevant technical area they ended up overseeing, and most of these had remained every bit as capable technically as they had been previously.

Managing the Linux kernel, involving many teams of programmers, with a constant view on what is going on and what is needed in the human world as a whole, is an enormous task in which Linus himself has always maintained a major team managerial presence; had it been some useless manager (the sort generally who portray themselves as somehow superior "people persons") then Linux would no doubt have died off as a piece of junk rubbish a long time ago.

Indeed, I have no doubt that the only reason Puppy Linux is so good is that the only true manager of the project is also its creator and technical lead. It is no accident that much the same can now be said of Tiny Core Linux; these guys know what they are doing and the growing quality of the result demonstrates that. The same goes for Slitaz; their offerings are fantastic because their management teams are incredibly skilled technical experts who clearly also have an exceptional understanding of the needs of the ordinary user.

'Wiser than everybody else' managers, on the other hand, remind me of the old George Bernard Shaw adage: "those who can, do; those who can't, teach"
[and no, I'm not having a go at teachers, most of whom are excellent at their craft precisely because they also have their own copious "real world" experience regardless of what some fools imagine or propagate].

In practice, you may in fact be technically proficient yourself (and I trust that you are), and if not, it would be good if somebody who is would also start using Linux distributions as a model for Internet cafes; their systems would in that case be the better ones and thus better for the community at large.

It was of course the politicians who arranged to have the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan, not the scientists who had been paid to create them (indeed most of them were very outspoken against any such use).

I am not in a position to know one way or the other whether ttuuxxx would be any good as the overall Puppy release coordinator. However, I certainly think that anyone who doesn't have the technical abilities required for such a job wouldn't be. Finding out what users want is very much the easier part of the equation; isn't that the kind of job that all managers (of the "those who can't, teach" sort) are after? [of course such managers even delegate most of that work to low-rewarded underlings who have to go round doing the actual asking].

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#20 Post by tronkel »

mcewanw wrote:
Indeed, I have no doubt that the only reason Puppy Linux is so good is that the only true manager of the project is also its creator and technical lead
Hear hear to all of the above post. All this talk of a committee of "managers" to oversee Puppy when Barry finally retires leaves me feeling concerned. Puppy has never in its history been managed other than by a benevolent dictator - recently by WhoDo for 4.2. It's also why WhoDo was so well received as the co-ordinator - he does make a good benevolent dictator.

What irritates me about Ecomoney as well, is his self-appointment to this "managerial" task. The premises that underpin his philosophy of "users to the fore" are simply incorrect.
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