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Ecopup 0.7.3.2 - Beta release now with AUTOMATED INSTALLER!
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_MegadetH_

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Mar 2009, 09:33    Post subject:  

hi ecomoney!
I'm running current version live cd with a usb stick, but the screen is not centered, it is out of the monitor on the right side. If I set with xvesa it works but I want to use xorg because xvesa has slow screen refresh. can you help me please?
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Apr 2009, 10:16    Post subject:  

It all looks good, but I don't have a CD burner-rewriter. Is it possible to use the ISO of ecopup (which I have) to boot up and use it on my computer?

Thanks in advance,

Best,

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Apr 2009, 17:40    Post subject:  

A quick update; I think I've figured it out now. It just needs my making a lot of extra of space on my hard drive, and copying a few files and moving others around.

Hope it runs in 256 MB of RAM though Smile

Best,

Colonel Panic.
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 05:31    Post subject:  

@ _MegadetH_ The problem is likely with your monitor settings, use the buttons on the front of it to adjust your width/stretch/placement. What you could also try is to go through the "test" procedure with the xorgwizard, and set a different "refresh rate" Ive not made any changes to the video setup from the standard 2.15ce

@Colonel Panic

you will need about 2gb of space to install ecopup, and it will run fine in 256mb of ram. The cybercafe computers where it was created only had 192mb!

Remember to unzip the "ecopup.zip" file to your hard drive.

Thanks for the feedback all.

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 07:09    Post subject:  

Thanks, I'll give it a go.

(Edit; I made some space by clearing off some old files and am posting from it now. I'm impressed, it's up there as a worthy contender with Teenpup for the best series 2 pup IMO.

The only problem I've had so far has been when I've tried changing the JWM theme, where I'm getting this error message;

"There was an error writing your choice to the config file. Please try again."
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 06:42    Post subject:  

Many thanks for you comments...you dont realise the thousands of hours of work I put into producing it. I am no puppy guru when it comes to the internals (externals are my thing lol)

The JWM side of things is unchanged (at least if it is its by accident!). 2.15ce ran with icewm by default. This was also what was used at the cybercafe to give that "fuzzy warm teletubby" feeling to new linux users. Very Happy

Im afraid as a result I dont know the jwm side of things sorry Embarassed

I did hear somewhere that the theme for jwm was in the /root/.jwmrc file? Patriot would be able to tell you how to fix it.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 18:55    Post subject:  

You're welcome, I like the "Linux - always on target" wallpaper too Smile

There aren't many Puppies which include OpenOffice by default, and Ecopup is one of them (Rudy used to, but I don't think it's being developed any more). Don't be disappointed if I decide eventually to go with something smaller than Ecopup, at least for the bulk of my own use when I'm not using Open Office - I have to think hard about the use of my computer's resources (hard disk space, RAM etc.) and unfortunately I'm finding that the Firefox browser freezes up with more than about 3 windows open. It happens in Teenpup too with Seamonkey (it might be a Flash / Java problem).

At the moment I've just got the one window open in Opera and it's working fine.

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jamesjeffries2

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 19:36    Post subject:  

great job ecomoney. just installed it at home for my parents as a replacement for XP. they didnt even notice that it wasnt windows for a week (and only then because there was a penguin in the start button!)

I think this is one of the best puplets i have seen. many are based around the person that has made it's needs, which while it is good for them and some others im sure, it is not always great for public use by people who arent always experienced with computers. However ecopup is well thought out, has everything the average user could want or need and looks great. I especially like the way the icons are divided into rows by there type.

Also good luck with your cyber cafe and computer recycling projects. the more people who can have access to the internet and educational materials the better.

if you ever need any programming doing then let me know and i will do my best to get it done

Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Apr 2009, 21:03    Post subject:  

A lot of time and effort actually went into the research of the people that use computers since I had access to them at the cybercafe, as well as research into the technology itself. I always kept a very open mind while doing it, and tried to make ecopup meet their needs and not my own.

Thanks for your kind words Jim, and Im really happy that your parents have found it useful. Its a similar story to many at the cybercafe, because it looked and acted a lot like they were already used to, people were a lot more willing to accept it and make the switch. I believe this was Barries origional thinking too when he modelled the standard puppy look on Win 95/98, which was in the process of being phased out (like xp is now). It wouldnt go amiss to continue that strategy in the main release now, but with green/blue instead of grey.

I will remember your offer Jim as I have a piece of commercial work coming up that I am looking to "tender" (in the loosest sense of the word) to a talented programmer. Feel free to PM me some links to some of your work.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 09:16    Post subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
@ _MegadetH_ The problem is likely with your monitor settings, use the buttons on the front of it to adjust your width/stretch/placement. What you could also try is to go through the "test" procedure with the xorgwizard, and set a different "refresh rate" Ive not made any changes to the video setup from the standard 2.15ce

@Colonel Panic

you will need about 2gb of space to install ecopup, and it will run fine in 256mb of ram. The cybercafe computers where it was created only had 192mb!

Remember to unzip the "ecopup.zip" file to your hard drive.

Thanks for the feedback all.


Well, there's a free machine at my local community centre that I've been allowed to play around with but it's only got 128 MB of RAM. If this isn't enough for Ecopup (I haven't tested it yet) I would consider putting Teenpup, Retro 2.14 or even Turbo Pup on it.

Ecopup would be the best choice though because it's the most like what people there will be used to.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 12:06    Post subject:  

I have more ram than I know what to do with...let me know and I will post you some out if it comes to it, are you in the U.K?. All the schools around here are throwing away 1gb machines because its not enough to run Vista. Have an ask around and Im sure you will be able to solve someones waste problem!

The machines which Ecopup was tested on only had 192mb.

If you have time, you could also try doing a "FULL" install of the 2.15ce base, then basically extracting the contents of the pup_save.2fs file into the partition, overwriting the files already there. This would mean that only the basic kernel, and Xwindows would be loaded at bootup, and the other programs when launched. I havnt tried it, but it should work.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 13:50    Post subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
I have more ram than I know what to do with...let me know and I will post you some out if it comes to it, are you in the U.K?


Yep, Cornwall. Many thanks for the offer, I'll pm you about it soon.

ecomoney wrote:
All the schools around here are throwing away 1gb machines because its not enough to run Vista. Have an ask around and Im sure you will be able to solve someones waste problem!


I've no doubt you're right, and it really annoys me that this happens, especially during a severe economic downturn. The first machine I ran Linux (a cutdown Slackware called Basic Linux) on had 32 MB. It wasn't easy, but I managed for three years before I got my current machine.

As for Vista, I was talking to someone who runs a small computer shop in the town and he was telling me that he gets customers coming in and asking him to take Vista - which he's sold them - off their machines and install XP on them instead, because Vista's such a pile of crap. It's Windows ME all over again.

You might think he'd be happy making two Windows sales for each such machine, but he isn't. He spent half a day trying to root out a virus on XP and is thinking of turning his shop over to Ubuntu (which he's been offering for a while anyway as an alternative to Windows).

ecomoney wrote:
The machines which Ecopup was tested on only had 192mb.


Cool.

ecomoney wrote:
If you have time, you could also try doing a "FULL" install of the 2.15ce base, then basically extracting the contents of the pup_save.2fs file into the partition, overwriting the files already there. This would mean that only the basic kernel, and Xwindows would be loaded at bootup, and the other programs when launched. I havnt tried it, but it should work.


Thanks for the tip, I'll give it some thought.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 15:15    Post subject:  

Cornwall?, I will be down for my hols in June! Smile

Ive actually made a little bit of money out of Ecopup, but only after a lot of customization and a lot of annoyed customers early on. We would sell the ecopup computer out of the Drop in Centre for around £40 (money to them) and I would give some face-to-face training. I would also offer repairs in their homes for viruzed XP machines, where I would install ecopup as a dual boot using the cd to switch. No formatting meant them keeping their data. I set just an hour aside for this, and didnt need to take their computer away.

Your story about the computer shops is being repeated everywhere. If some Dev's were willing to give up a few of their technicalities - features as they see them - then they would be installing Linux instead.

Now that would be a real programming achievement!

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PostPosted: Thu 21 May 2009, 10:34    Post subject:  Reviewing alph with Pete22 and ecomoney  

From: ecomoney
To: Pete22
Posted: Today, at 02:33
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Hi Pete....

I am glad you have tried ecopup, it is designed especially for non-geeks like yourself Smile

The release thread is here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=260024#260024

For some reason it is not "googled"

Its good to get some non-geek feedback, I will be implementing all of your suggestions for the next release...I plan to have a day on it soon updating it to a final version. Non-Geek feedback is the most important sort.

The CUPS version was a separate package (not included in 2.15ce...too early for CUPS!). The one I used was an addin .pup package by some norwegian guy.

I was working on an automated installer for ecopup, but we ran out of funds for paying the developer...you can see a prototype we did if you search youtube for "ecomoney". I am still working on this, but for the moment your idea of install including instructions on the first boot is great and I shall implement it.

Puppy 2.15ce did not have "hotplug support" (icon on the desktop for usb/hard drives. I would love to add this...but I am "non-geek" also. Wink

Thanks very much for your feedback...would you copy and paste your suggestions onto the ecopup thread above?

Thanks for taking the time to give your feedback

Pete22 wrote:
I am sending a private message becuase I can't find the topic for this.


As a reminder I am a nongeek.

Good news. Ecopup got my Lazer printer to work. No other pup or even the official puppy did that. So thank you. Very Happy
You may want to pass your good work along.

I also like the c drive saying it was the c drive.

I like seamonkey with links to the puppy sites. Thank you!

It might be nice to include a link to the latest Ecopup forum topic.

I like the layout of the icons.

I would rename the icon called calc to spreadsheet or have it link to a calculator instead of a spreadsheet.

Gxine media player works great. I would like a icon on the desktop for it.

I tried to change the wallpaper to a different color. I could find the different colors, but I could not see any way to actually change it.

The following was very hard to do, and I probably did it wrong.

Where I downloaded this version you mention that you have to unzip and put ecosave on the hardrive. Ok.

Being so new to Linux this was difficult. It was really hard to find the file to unzip. I am not even sure I used the correct one.

I fumbled my way through trying to save Ecosave to the hard drive with ecopup. I never was able to. I finally booted into windows and copied it there. Confused

But ecopup does not find it during the start up process. Yet, it does find it on during the shut down process when ecopup saves. It says this file is already there and that I must save with a different name. Question

I assume that is why I can't get all of the other programs that are supposed to be on this version.

Since a first timer must:
Unzip a file for ecopup, and then mount the c drive and put a file there that you create a onetime popup with the directions and links to the files to do this. Or even better I would love a pet that takes care of this housekeeping chore for me, so I could get on with the business of using ecopup.

I was confused by how the drivers were listed. I finally figured out they were listed under the usb icon. They are a mix of linux and microsoft type names. I suggest that you use a different icon. one that shows a hard drive, cd and a usb together. That would help not confuse me, that ecopup can only see a usb drive.

I think you have a great product. These suggestions are only to make it better.


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PostPosted: Thu 21 May 2009, 12:09    Post subject:  Unzipping  

I did find a unzipper program, but it unzipped it all to memory and crashed.

Forgive my lack of linux vocabulary:

The good news is your memory "thingees" in the task bar helped me realize what was happening.

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