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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 07:07    Post subject:  The Kennel
Subject description: What is Puppy 5?
 



Having tried an early Alpha of the Woof.build system I know it is a lot simpler than the 'Unleashed' system Warren has been using for 4.2

As 4.2.1 continues to build on the excellent Deep Thought
we need to think a little more deeply about what exactly
Puppy5 'Kennel' is?
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/development/puppy-5-series/puppy-5-kennel

I envisage a best of breed 'kennel' of releases.
Is that right?
The Kennel codename is to encourage the Puppy diversity
that creates so many puplets.

So can we release Puppy standard
but can we also provide variations?
Can we offer individual Puppys for download as 100MB or less ISO?
With one main build?
. . . AND a CD and even DVD of menu controlled variations . . .?
Such a menu booting DVD could contain a variety of possibilities . . .
with SFS perhaps?

What say you? Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 18:10    Post subject:  

I always burn ISO operating systems to DVD unless the computer I am installing on doesn't have a DVD drive. DVDs have a much higher throughput and as quite a few Ubuntu 8.10 users found the ONLY way to get their CD ISO to boot properly. CDs burnt to DVD behave in the same manner, from an end user point of view, and since the CD only takes a small fraction of the disc it is more reliable too.

Now all that drivel is out of the way, are you talking about some sort of front end that then boots one of a number of pseudo partitions on a DVD that has different puppy set-ups? Could be interesting. Would even work on a CD...

*edit* It would be nice if gparted were to start before the first boot...I use virtualbox to try out distros, and because I have forgotten to partition the virtual hard drive I have to start over because there is nowhere for the savefile to go. One of the first things I do is increase the savefile size and although it's not a long process to reboot, it is mildly irritating. Like typing a long document and forgetting to save. Mildly irritating Razz
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Apr 2009, 07:25    Post subject:  

Yes I use recordable DVD's and find them very reliable and faster booting than CD's

There are already one or two puplets with several Puppy versions on them. So whatever system is used for that would be suitable . . .

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 07:01    Post subject:  

My dream:

1. A standard puppy iso, contains NOTHING but the basic linux (I dunno what it should have exactly), but for sure without any office suit, media player, bla bla...

2. some kind of pupplet.sfs packages list, that will make an "instant" pupplet, flavours to choose from:
- Media Player pup
- Office Work pup
- Kids fun and games pup
- School pup
- etc

So, users can download basic pup once, and get to download and try as many pupplet.sfs they want

Well, my dream that is.....

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 09:10    Post subject:  

trio wrote:
My dream:

1. A standard puppy iso, contains NOTHING but the basic linux (I dunno what it should have exactly), but for sure without any office suit, media player, bla bla...

2. some kind of pupplet.sfs packages list, that will make an "instant" pupplet, flavours to choose from:
- Media Player pup
- Office Work pup
- Kids fun and games pup
- School pup
- etc

So, users can download basic pup once, and get to download and try as many pupplet.sfs they want

Well, my dream that is.....

Have you been reading my notes again?


Wouldn't it be nice... an office sfs with OOO, cups, etc.... a graphics sfs.. a multimedia sfs... a muso's sfs... all fired up from one fat free pup... funny thing... I am typing this from the opposite! Laughing ... NYP midi... over 500meg! But very nice! Makes Mandriva look ordinary! (and that's about 3 gig!)

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 09:26    Post subject:  

trio wrote:
Well, my dream that is.....

It's Deja Vu all over again! Laughing

That was my dream when we released 2.15CE - where sfs files came into vogue and were compiled for Office, Graphics, Multimedia, etc. Unfortunately the base wasn't exactly "fat free" at 132Mb, but that's what happens when you design by committee, as you must for a CE version.

Live the dream, trio. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 14:15    Post subject:  

trio wrote:
My dream:

1. A standard puppy iso, contains NOTHING but the basic linux (I dunno what it should have exactly), but for sure without any office suit, media player, bla bla...

2. some kind of pupplet.sfs packages list, that will make an "instant" pupplet, flavours to choose from:
- Media Player pup
- Office Work pup
- Kids fun and games pup
- School pup
- etc

So, users can download basic pup once, and get to download and try as many pupplet.sfs they want

Well, my dream that is.....


Well NOP is pretty much what you describe for the base (as is its wobbly sibling wNOP); have you tried it?

For NOP see this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=929564364&t=39578

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 16:32    Post subject:  

nic2109 wrote:


Well NOP is pretty much what you describe for the base (as is its wobbly sibling wNOP); have you tried it?

For NOP see this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=929564364&t=39578


I think trio uses NOP... helped with Pwidgets in NOP... see his sig Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 16:56    Post subject:  

Hi

NOP is excellent - as is ChoicePup, it loads and unloads sfs software packages on the fly (ie no rebooting to load/unload browser, Office packages, Wine, Gimp etc)

No real need to make a save file either as it automagically detects many network and mouse settings. Start either Xorg or Xvesa and boom - you're away.

Very fast too - even on old clonkers - runs very well in 93mb ram and a 1Ghz celeron proc. (my 5yr old noname (Patriot) laptop).

Absolutely flies on 6yr Acer laptop with 238mb ram and a 2.5Ghz celeron proc.

So - dream no more - download now - ChoicePup in derevatives.

Best regards - Ray
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2009, 20:27    Post subject:  

Ahh, guys, whodo and micko get what I mean...

There is no full std puppy, only base puppy (familiar with tiny core?) And the difference is that you have two choices of adding programs, one is adding apps with the petget (as usual) and a new sfs get, which will make your puppy base to pupplets on the fly!

This can be done, as we already have barebone and fatfree..or skinny whatever..what we really need is pupplet sfs repo and a sfs get gui...sooo, people are encouraged to make pupp.sfs rather than pupplets..see the picture?

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Apr 2009, 14:18    Post subject: logo  

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Apr 2009, 14:47    Post subject:  

Thanks jebaJQ8 for the logo Very Happy

Sums up the new Kennel
have placed it on the wiki Smile
http://puppylinux.org/wiki/development/puppy-5-series/puppy-5-kennel

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Apr 2009, 18:08    Post subject:  

long time lurker, first time poster. i gotta say, puppy is one of the best small distro around. i currently have puppy 4 set up w/ full install on a Toshiba Satellite 2100cds w/wifi, and works great. i just wana say thanks BK and everyone in the puppy community that has contributed to making puppy a great OS. i know people put a lot of their personal time and effort into this project, and i for one appreciate it.

i see BK is working on Woof, so maybe we'll see puppy based on different builds and architectures. i was wondering if anyone heard of this project: pdaXrom-ng
http://wiki.pdaxrom.org/index.php/Main_Page

and if it might help to port puppy to different architectures. i believe it based on debain. if so, maybe we would see puppy/woof on mac ppc, ps3, pda w/arm, mips. that would be great for recycling even more aging systems.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Apr 2009, 04:36    Post subject:  

Thanks for delurking (is that like decloacking?) Smile
That is a very exciting link for Developers
http://wiki.pdaxrom.org/index.php/Main_Page
I barely understand what it is about. Embarassed

Kennel does open up porting to other processors
and this is already beginning . . .

Puppy has woofability
Is your favourite distro woofable?


NB: Woofable = a distro that can be used to build a Puppy 'look and feel'
version using the Puppy Woof build system
So far woofable distros are Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Arch and T2

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Apr 2009, 05:32    Post subject:  

pardon my ignorance,

i still don't get it.....

if woof is the base for next puppy ...then which would be the next mainstream puppy based on (I mean will be made from woofability of which distro)? wouldn't that be pupplets and not mainstream puppy?

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