Puppy 4.3 ?

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James C · #61 Post by **James C** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 05:40

TTuuxxx, it was my bad. I made an ill-advised comment in my post and I can't type a lick so I didn't get it edited as fast as I would have liked.

Guess thats why there is a "preview" button.............now all I need to do is use it....

Lobster · #62 Post by **Lobster** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 05:49

In 421 & loaded devx sfs & ooo sfs successfully

Yes I did an update from 4.2, OpenOffice and XaraLX working OK.
Is Pcrypt new or did I not notice it before?

One thing I want to mention is the default menu icons in Deep Thought (from Zigbert?) these are so clear and obvious. At the moment they are all orange, in the future (maybe) colour could be introduced to help the almost subconscious recognition that is possible?

After 4..2.1 Final is out I feel it will be worthwhile offering some Deep Thought on how we as a community can help rather than hinder our developers.

01micko · #63 Post by **01micko** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 06:23

ttuuxxx wrote:
01micko wrote:Can we lock this thread now?
why do you want it locked mick?
ttuuxxx

Just kidding ttuuxxx, you know, the pink panther approach to 421

Your're ok James C

WhoDo · #64 Post by **WhoDo** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 08:57

Lobster wrote:Yes I did an update from 4.2, OpenOffice and XaraLX working OK.

Thanks, Ed. For one horrible moment I thought one of the key features of Puppy had been crashed by something. It's nice to know it hasn't.

Lobster wrote:Is Pcrypt new or did I not notice it before?

I tried to sneek that one in just to see if anyone would notice! You get the chocolate frog, Ed.

Lobster wrote:One thing I want to mention is the default menu icons in Deep Thought (from Zigbert?) these are so clear and obvious. At the moment they are all orange, in the future (maybe) colour could be introduced to help the almost subconscious recognition that is possible?

I've been wanting to explain something about these icons for some time and never had the opportunity. I have taken some flack, at times, for including what seemed like flat, dull and uninteresting icons as the default look in Deep Thought. It was even suggested I might have been intimidated by a developer into using them when I didn't really want to. Let me state right now that nothing can be further from the truth. And before that ignites any renewed debate, I hold no-one personally responsible for the comments either.

What I do want to explain is exactly why I kept the flat, minimalist icons in the default look. It has to do with consistency. The default wallpaper is simple, clear and straightforward. It conveys what I wanted to convey about the country of Puppy's origins - sun, sea and sand. The colour scheme continued that theme. More importantly, the main menu icons also continued that theme. When I look at those icons I think of the pictures we used to draw in the sand with a stick when we were kids. They conjure memories of the seaside and happy times IMHO.

So there you have it. No conspiracy. Just a simple desire to convey a consistent and unified interface for our first Puppy without Barry.

Lobster wrote:After 4..2.1 Final is out I feel it will be worthwhile offering some Deep Thought on how we as a community can help rather than hinder our developers.

Good idea, as long as its constructive and doesn't mull over past mistakes in that regard. There has been pain in the process of giving birth to Deep Thought. Like any parents let's forget the pain and share the joy of the new arrival. Just my $0.02c

#65 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 09:13

Lobster wrote:
In 421 & loaded devx sfs & ooo sfs successfully
Yes I did an update from 4.2, OpenOffice and XaraLX working OK.
Is Pcrypt new or did I not notice it before?

One thing I want to mention is the default menu icons in Deep Thought (from Zigbert?) these are so clear and obvious. At the moment they are all orange, in the future (maybe) colour could be introduced to help the almost subconscious recognition that is possible?

After 4..2.1 Final is out I feel it will be worthwhile offering some Deep Thought on how we as a community can help rather than hinder our developers.

The ugly 24x24 flat orange menu icons are Zigberts, the 24x24 submenu icons are ones I provided. They are more noticeable in icewm because it uses 24x24 submenu icons, in jwm they are decreased to 16x16

ttuuxxx

raffy · #66 Post by **raffy** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 10:14

You mean by "ug***" the original icons supplied byZigbert? I understand that you have talent in graphics, so Zigbert needs your help very badly.

(Uh, sorry guys, just want you to forgive ttuuxxx who just used a "u".)

Now, back to 4.2.1 testing...

#67 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 10:33

raffy wrote:You mean by "ug***" the original icons supplied byZigbert? I understand that you have talent in graphics, so Zigbert needs your help very badly.

(Uh, sorry guys, just want you to forgive ttuuxxx who just used a "u".)

Now, back to 4.2.1 testing...

na its not just his ugly flat orange icons 24x24 menu, also those flat blackish ones used in woof, and the default flat orange theme, zigbert did good on the desktop icons, but the menu ones ewwwww, lol
ttuuxxx

01micko · #68 Post by **01micko** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 10:44

....also those flat blackish ones used in woof,...

They were made by jebaJQ8, and I like 'em! As does BK, mainly because they are small in kB I think. They are a good option IMO.

It's all about taste. Funny thing, I happen to agree that bling is useless!

But I said it once before.... "sex sells". And we aren't selling a lemon here.

I'm sure any dev here would agree with that.

So far so good for me with 4.21. Nice job WhoDo(es

)

Cheers

droope · #69 Post by **droope** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 12:02

ttuuxxx wrote:Hello

Looks like a start to a beautiful friendship Excellent starting point and if I know you, Which personally I don't lol But what I've seen of your track record you'll turn this into a default player for puppy

I also listen to a lot of Mp3's, What Features I like the most are
well with xmms I always use stream tuner, I really like listening to online radio. News, Music, from back home in Canada, So it would be great if future models might be able to play streaming music with a Favorite station list.

Also simple stuff like eq range from 15hz-40khz or ,maybe just a treble, midrange, and low control? Balance and volume equalizer. jeese while I'm at it why not included a online video stream player also to play asx files I guess maybe by version 1.5 or something

LOL sorry I couldn't resist, I'm very happy to see this project happen.

thanks
ttuuxxx

p.s how's that new front end for prozilla coming along LOL I know its on a list, just seen a spot open. LOL

I wonder what happened

#70 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 12:49

01micko wrote:
....also those flat blackish ones used in woof,...
They were made by jebaJQ8, and I like 'em! As does BK, mainly because they are small in kB I think. (es )

Cheers

Not really remember that blueish gnome icon theme I put together for dpup it was about 20-30kb larger expanded about 2-5 kb compressed,lol
Thats why I dislike the flat ones, they are so unappealing to look at, and when your used to 2d images and you go down to flat, All you want to do is change them straight away. The theme is smaller than deep thought and Stardust, just remember images really compress when you convert them into a sfs, a lot more than .so and bin files.
ttuuxxx

#71 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 13:28

droope wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Hello

Looks like a start to a beautiful friendship Excellent starting point and if I know you, Which personally I don't lol But what I've seen of your track record you'll turn this into a default player for puppy

I also listen to a lot of Mp3's, What Features I like the most are
well with xmms I always use stream tuner, I really like listening to online radio. News, Music, from back home in Canada, So it would be great if future models might be able to play streaming music with a Favorite station list.

Also simple stuff like eq range from 15hz-40khz or ,maybe just a treble, midrange, and low control? Balance and volume equalizer. jeese while I'm at it why not included a online video stream player also to play asx files I guess maybe by version 1.5 or something

LOL sorry I couldn't resist, I'm very happy to see this project happen.

thanks
ttuuxxx

p.s how's that new front end for prozilla coming along LOL I know its on a list, just seen a spot open. LOL
I wonder what happened

I had a whole page response to that question and I deleted it
What happened he chooses to compete against me twice in 2 months, he made widgets instead of bringing better usability to puppy, things people are crying for it and ignored ideas,view, etc. He pretty much became a self consumed A$$#@#$. I at onetime admired and respected him and his work, Then He changed. It would take a lot to regain it back. But actually he did impress me with his latest Pmusic update, release like yesterday, a lot of the issues I've been publicly speaking against, he actually fixed

most of them. Best update yet. When people have limited resources the last thing they want to do is leave things running in the background.
pfind/gtkdialog3 double the amount of system resources than Search monkey and Search monkey shuts-down 100% of the time. Which is better for puppy? But because he is a puppy developer who makes apps for puppy, Pfind will be default and Search monkey a forum software section item, just nuts, its the puppy users getting second rate software to make there developers happy, really compared bmp vs Pmusic, at the moment Zigbert only has 1 GUI that at this point is better, thats PBurn, just due to features over xfburn, but not stability. So then you have to weigh-up Features, developer on one side and stability on the other.
ttuuxxx

droope · #72 Post by **droope** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 00:32

ttuuxxx wrote:
droope wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Hello

Looks like a start to a beautiful friendship Excellent starting point and if I know you, Which personally I don't lol But what I've seen of your track record you'll turn this into a default player for puppy

I also listen to a lot of Mp3's, What Features I like the most are
well with xmms I always use stream tuner, I really like listening to online radio. News, Music, from back home in Canada, So it would be great if future models might be able to play streaming music with a Favorite station list.

Also simple stuff like eq range from 15hz-40khz or ,maybe just a treble, midrange, and low control? Balance and volume equalizer. jeese while I'm at it why not included a online video stream player also to play asx files I guess maybe by version 1.5 or something

LOL sorry I couldn't resist, I'm very happy to see this project happen.

thanks
ttuuxxx

p.s how's that new front end for prozilla coming along LOL I know its on a list, just seen a spot open. LOL
I wonder what happened
I had a whole page response to that question and I deleted it
What happened he chooses to compete against me twice in 2 months, he made widgets instead of bringing better usability to puppy, things people are crying for it and ignored ideas,view, etc. He pretty much became a self consumed A$$#@#$. I at onetime admired and respected him and his work, Then He changed. It would take a lot to regain it back. But actually he did impress me with his latest Pmusic update, release like yesterday, a lot of the issues I've been publicly speaking against, he actually fixed most of them. Best update yet. When people have limited resources the last thing they want to do is leave things running in the background.
pfind/gtkdialog3 double the amount of system resources than Search monkey and Search monkey shuts-down 100% of the time. Which is better for puppy? But because he is a puppy developer who makes apps for puppy, Pfind will be default and Search monkey a forum software section item, just nuts, its the puppy users getting second rate software to make there developers happy, really compared bmp vs Pmusic, at the moment Zigbert only has 1 GUI that at this point is better, thats PBurn, just due to features over xfburn, but not stability. So then you have to weigh-up Features, developer on one side and stability on the other.
ttuuxxx

That's clearly a strong point of view. I think, however, that having our own programmes makes puppy more unique, and, having the programmer on-board, makes easier to add or remove unwanted features.

Besides, as we all know, all Ps are currently under heavy developement, so it's really a big project Zigbert's in... you can't expect anyone to have perfect software in a few months, i'd say, at least, give the man a chance. On the pwidgets issue, there is a whole sub-community there... I think they find it really really usefull (as crazy as that sounds, for me at least)

This is my humble attempt to make peace reign over puppy, but i drank a beer earlier so I might not be thinking clearly

Cheers!

#73 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 00:42

If anyone wanted a lot of utf8 compliant mime types with locales, I compiled it yesterday and added the puppy mimes to it. Probably would help out in the utf8 effort. Maybe too big for default, anyways here it is
ttuuxxx

trapster · #74 Post by **trapster** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 01:29

Why are you posting this in a "Puppy4.3 (cancelled)" post ? lol

raffy · #75 Post by **raffy** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 01:57

Because perhaps ttuuxxx is betting that Lobster will change the title to "Puppy 4.2 concluded".

#76 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 01:57

trapster wrote:Why are you posting this in a "Puppy4.3 (cancelled)" post ? lol

Because Trapster, basically this is a hidden testing grounds for 4.2.1, and something like this people could test.
ttuuxxx

#77 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 27 Apr 2009, 01:58

raffy wrote:Because perhaps ttuuxxx is betting that Lobster will change the title to "Puppy 4.2 concluded".

And that too, lol
ttuuxxx

ecomoney · #78 Post by **ecomoney** » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 03:54

So is the only reason there isnt a 4.3 because there hasnt been a co-ordinator volunteered?

OR is Woof out too soon?

Lets hope that 4.2.1 is "stable", because its all the puppy community will have while Woof matures and we get used to the GIT system.

#79 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 07:30

ecomoney wrote:So is the only reason there isnt a 4.3 because there hasnt been a co-ordinator volunteered?

OR is Woof out too soon?

Lets hope that 4.2.1 is "stable", because its all the puppy community will have while Woof matures and we get used to the GIT system.

Well the latest woof is alpha5, No true alpha is stable, or even close to RC state. Do your homework at Barry's blog. Its not a coordinator we need, we need to put our resources together and build a solid base for woof. Once the base is solid & working then sure talk about a new version.
As for 4.3 don't push things we are stretched enough, if another new 4 series version takes place, then some developers will be torn between older 4 series and woof. After WhoDo's final is release then maybe its time to fully switch to woof and leave any release/coordinator schedule in the dust for the time being. Once all the woof bases are functioning as normal release, then get the coordinator in, unless Barry want to take over of course , because we have one already for woof, his name is Barry

ttuuxxx

Lobster · #80 Post by **Lobster** » Tue 28 Apr 2009, 07:55

As for 4.3 don't push things we are stretched enough

Puppy is very simple.
Developers do the work and as a lead developer, what Ttuuxxx and Barry do ends up the direction to follow.

Barry will be releasing Woof 6 Alpha tomorrow
and as WhoDo finishes the loose ends of 4.2.1
I will do all I can to support the 5.xx series
This seems what most developers want

Interestingly the 5.xx series is open to a diversity of possibilities

http://puppylinux.org/wiki/development/ ... y-5-kennel

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