Slaxer_Pup 4.12 solid and stable non woof build

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Re: Well done! Big_Bass

#41 Post by big_bass »

doctorgig wrote:I have tried both your version of slaxer on my P4 micron laptop, with broadcom and Prism_USB.. wireless, Now I have about 15 different flavors of puppy's running on an external HD so I believe I am a good judge, and without doubt slaxer is the fastest. All the apps just work, that is awesome.
Just about all the hardware that I tried except for the prism2_usb adapter (that did work out of all other versions of puppy). worked perfectly. I am going too try to base a pupplet on it.

2 Questions ;

1) You mention LZM compatability, does that mean we can use mo duals from slax?? AND if so how do we do it exactly?

2) Is there any way to incorporate the new packege manager from woof, that would be just "cream on the cake"

Again, Well done....



Welcome to puppy doctorgig

thanks for testing and reporting

use the second iso I did some fixes you need
everyone should use the latest iso

yes, the prism2 wasnt added in :?

ok about slax modules

I added in the important under the hood tools and added in the mounting script
but you need to add one line of code to set it up

right click on any *.lzm
its says Set Run action

add this

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filemnt "$1"
now you can click mount it
then click again to unmount it

poke around inside and if it all looks good
you could just rename it from whatever.lzm to whatever.sfs
the the same as puppy handles a sfs at boot manager


dont try anything that needs KDE ok :D
or you hack away and make it a pet also 8)

as far as the woof package manager
there are a few workarounds to get the simular result


anyway I have a few surprises in the plans

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WOW

#42 Post by doctorgig »

THANKS for the detailed and complete response.

This is starting to get VERY interesting! my mind begins to boggle with the possibilities, I have the ability to test stuff across multiple;e platforms and configs, Over the next bit of time I will try to boot it on a number of customer computers so that you have a larger test basis..

Ok just tried it on a Compaq EVO P4 laptop, worked fine found everything.

HMMM just found something, when I started using slaxer I could not get it to work other then off the CD. any install gave me a .sfs error of could not find pupfile, even though it was there.
Using the "pupdirirectory" line fixed that for my frugal install on my hardrive, Life was good!
I just tried to setup a frugal install on a flash drive using the same config line, BUT for some reason No joy, says can not find pupfile, wierd........ Slaxer is actually SO good that If I must run it from a HD only, O_well but I would like to run from a USB flash drive like other pups, any ideas?

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#43 Post by big_bass »

doctorgig



I am working on the USB problem since I like to boot using USB also
I checked it out a bit last night and discovered that the USB is detected during boot so thats good news

I need to check the install script and see why the USB wasnt listed there
I'll keep you posted

but the way I built the sfs it will allow any boot lilo or grub as long as you point to it correctly

the kernel is loading the USB correctly which is a plus

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#44 Post by technosaurus »

I haven't checked,but it sounds like maybe the kernel modules built in to initrd.gz may be missing???
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#45 Post by Roy »

big_bass,

I have been following this thread a bit and am curious enough to download your work for a try... will report back in another post with my results, if successful.

Two issues present themselves while just looking at this, though. The first is that I must be able to use this off of a USB memory stick (which you are already working on). The second issue is that I don't see 1024x600 screen resolution listed as even being an available option in pakt's #ddcprobe listed above. I know that Puppy 4.x.x was the first official release that would properly display on my 1024x600 netbook with Xvesa (or, using the Generic driver in Xorg).

Will report back later this week....

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#46 Post by 01micko »

Ok big_bass :mrgreen:

First impressions of Slaxer-pup 4.12. Nice!

I run an Asus A7S8X.... SiS chipset, (AMD 2100+ Athlon, 512DDR ram, shared with graphics, onboard Sata.... which in the verbose bootup was detected, though I've no Sata drives... Beem would like it!

Sound and network worked OOTB, both onboard, no probs with xorg, onboard 64M graphics.

Was a little slower to boot than a stock Puppy, extra things in the list to detect I expect, but none the less it looks and feels very crisp. :wink:

I like it! Now to try on a slower box... (don't think the 486 is quite up to it live though :wink: )

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#47 Post by 01micko »

8) Hi big_bass

Well I'm back on my oldish IBM Aptiva... SiS chipset AMD k6 400MHz, 256sdram, 8M shared graphics, onboard sound and USB... all the onboard stuff was detected at bootup plus my 2 realtek ethernet cards. All worked too. :wink:

Had some trouble with wireless, that's the only way this box connects. Using my netgearWG111V2 (realtek.. rtl8187) was a failure, but I blame the card. I can only get it to run sweetly on a fast box in any puppy, and then it needs tweaking, depends how far from the router I am... :roll: . It was detected at bootup but I couldn't raise it, even with "if config wlan0 up" command. So I plugged in my el cheapo TP-link wireless B-G adapter and it was not detected at bootup. I racked my brain and remembered it is a Ralink using rt37usb module. I loaded that and here I am in about 60seconds. :P

So for me slaxer-pup is great.. now to try the lappy :twisted:

One thing I forgot to mention... for some reason this OS seems to play an mp3 file better than 4.2 and marginally better than spup using BK's woof kernel. This box is too slow to test flash. I need this kernel for my spup!!!!
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#48 Post by Lobster »

mans best friend is
puppy pfix=ram


The truth :)

Many thanks.
I am using it on an AMD Athlon X2 dual processor - with the newer ISO you have posted.
I don't seem to have two processors running - what is the command line scriipt - that show this? (I ran top view from the menu)

Seems OK so far . . . :)
I tried the 'flush memory' script you included but that did not seem to close the audio player used to test audio (worked)

I have been through the thread 3 times now.
I am trying hard to understand what you have done and why? 8)
It seems quite technical - the good news for those wondering it looks and feels like Puppy 4.12 8)
The real question I have is how is this different to woof built spup?
Is it in the kernel and compression used?
You have started from Slackware with the configuration file rather than with Puppy?
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#49 Post by 01micko »

big_bass

Back again.

Lappy is an IBM Thinkpad R31, Celery 1066(P3 architcture), 512sdram, 8M Intel graphics, again, everything on board works OOTB! Even the Trackpoint stick thingy. Nice.

Ok, wireless. I have a Netgear WG511V2 pcmcia card on this one... crappy Marvell chipset unsupported by Linux... however it works a treat in all Puppies with ndiswrapper. This is where I hit a snag. :cry: . All seemed to be going ok when I got a fatal error.... no ndiswrapper module! Please load another module! Ah well, two outa three aint bad! And if I tried another adapter I know it would work :wink: But I couldn't be bothered ATM (Sorry!)

Hope some of this helps... and if not, at least puts a smile on your dial knowing that three vastly different sets of HW work just fine OOTB with Slaxer_Pup :mrgreen:

Does BK know what your up to? I'm sure he'd be interested.

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#50 Post by 01micko »

@Lobster

I think that what big_bass has done is used the slackware 12.2 kernel only, obviously with patches to get it to run live. I think all the packages are stock 4.1.2.

Spup from woof uses either a stock 4.1.2 kernel or Barry's woof kernel... sorry forget the number ATM and I'm not near a running spup box. Then many of the packages come from the Slackware 12.2 repo or the Slacky.eu repo and are stripped by woof's scripts.

So essentially, Slaxer_Pup is Slackware 12.2 in Puppy clothing and spup is woof in Slackware clothing. Sheep don't come into it. Does this make any sense at all??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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#51 Post by aragon »

01micko wrote:Ok, wireless. I have a Netgear WG511V2 pcmcia card on this one... crappy Marvell chipset unsupported by Linux... however it works a treat in all Puppies with ndiswrapper. This is where I hit a snag. :cry:
hi micko,

if i interpret barry's actual notes on his 2.6.29.1-kernel right, ndiswrapper uses the fuse-modul. so ndiswrapper maybe needs a recompile agains the slaxer-kernel/slaxer-fuse-module.

just a thought.

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#52 Post by Lobster »

01micko wrote:So essentially, Slaxer_Pup is Slackware 12.2 in Puppy clothing and spup is woof in Slackware clothing. Sheep don't come into it. Does this make any sense at all??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Slaxer is Slackware with a Puppy front end
Spup is Puppy built from Slackware files

and the sheep are . . . eh . . . :oops:
will have to read the thread again . . .
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#53 Post by aragon »

Lobster wrote:Slaxer is Slackware with a Puppy front end
Puppy with a slackware heart?!?

"Let me now present big_bass as Dr. Christiaan Barnard..."

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#54 Post by elraven »

Thank you , thank you, thank you ! This pup is cool beans ! it scoring big with people that have seen mine and want to know ,"how do i switch to puppy linux". Of course my phone bill is going up , mainly because ladies are calling me asking about it. You know how it is. " Hi, i'm a friend of so and so and i was wondering......" .
Anyway thanks Big Bass your top shelf in my book.
Elraven 8)

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#55 Post by Roy »

big_bass,

Small test on a SINGLE CORE Dell D610 as a Live CD:[/code]

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Computer
Processor	Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
Memory	2062MB (121MB used)
Operating System	Slackware 12.2.0
User Name	root (root)
Date/Time	Tue 21 Apr 2009 05:16:43 PM GMT-8
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Audio Adapter	ICH4 - Intel ICH6
Audio Adapter	ICH-MODEM - Intel ICH6 Modem
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Power Button (CM)	
Sleep Button (CM)	
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard	
USB OpticalWheel Mouse	
Video Bus	
Video Bus	
Video Bus	
PC Speaker	
PS/2 Mouse	
AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint	
Printers (CUPS)
CUPS-PDF	(Default)
IDE Disks
ST9160821A	
HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4244N	
SCSI Disks
hama Piko Business2.0
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Compiled	#1 SMP Mon Nov 24 13:32:01 Local time zone must be set--see zic
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lp	
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shpchp	Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver
intel_agp	
intelfb	Framebuffer driver for Intel(R) 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/915GM/945G/945GM/965G/965GM chipsets
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parport	
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unlzma	LZMA uncompress. A tiny wrapper for LzmaDecode.c in LZMA SDK from www.7-zip.org.
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rsrc_nonstatic	
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est	
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Printers
Printers (CUPS)
CUPS-PDF	(Default)
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Model Number	DELL Y13385
Serial Number	4499
Sensors
ACPI Thermal Zone
THM	44°C
Input Devices
Input Devices
Lid Switch	
Power Button (CM)	
Sleep Button (CM)	
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard	
USB OpticalWheel Mouse	
Video Bus	
Video Bus	
Video Bus	
PC Speaker	
PS/2 Mouse	
AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint	
Storage
IDE Disks
ST9160821A	
HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4244N	
SCSI Disks
hama Piko Business2.0
Unfortunately, the Universal Installer script would not allow me to create a USB-drive version (as you have already noted). No wireless access points are available for testing, but Ethernet functions fine.

-Roy

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#56 Post by Roy »

big_bass,

I also tried Slaxer_Pup on my own Dell Mini 9 (Inspiron 910) with an Atom SMP-capable processor. It is actually a single core chip that uses multi-threading, as I understand it. This is a finicky machine that does not like any official Puppy release since the Dingo-retro kernel... but I think this is a puppy thing since it does fine with past and current releases of Ubuntu, Anti-X, Mint, Slitaz, etc.

And the Live CD would not load past this point:

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Loading kernel drivers needed to access disk drives...squashfs: version 3.4 (2008/08/26) Phillip Lougher
squashfs: LZMA support for slax.org by jro
aufs 20081117
fuse init (API version 7.9)
                                                                       done
Searching for Puppy files in computer disk drives...kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
pup_412.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
#scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROM        HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-E50L  NE01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
sr0: scsi3mmc drive: 24x/24x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
_
In an attempt to bypass this problem, I loaded Slaxer_Pup onto a 2GB USB memory stick via a Windows version 319 of unetbootin. Other folks have successfully run the later official Puppy distro (k2.6.25.16) on their Mini 9s using this method (and version of unetbootin) on a USB drive. This was as far as that attempt loaded:

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Loading kernel drivers needed to access disk drives...squashfs: version 3.4 (2008/08/26) Phillip Lougher
squashfs: LZMA support for slax.org by jro
aufs 20081117
fuse init (API version 7.9)
                                                                       done
Searching for Puppy files in computer disk drives...kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
pup_412.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
#scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access    hama     Piko Business2.0 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
  sda: sda1
sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
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I would be more than willing to make another attempt with this netbook, if someone could give me directions to follow. Oh, and I tried typing "Puppy Pupdirectory" that was mentioned in a previous poster (this thread), but obviously am not seasoned enough in Linux to pursue the subtle Pupdirectory hint further.

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#57 Post by big_bass »

thanks Loster, micko,Roy

for testing and reporting

here is a cheat
to get the info fast
I'll add more


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#!/bin/sh
#quick info grabbing for testing
dmesg >/root/dmesg.txt&&gzip /root/dmesg.txt 
cat /proc/cpuinfo>/root/cpuinfo.txt&&gzip /root/cpuinfo.txt
cp /tmp/bootkernel.log /root&& gzip /root/bootkernel.log
 
#only for xorg uncomment
#cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log>/root&&gzip /root/Xorg.0.log
#cat /tmp/xerrs.txt>/root&&gzip /root/xerrs.txt


Lobster this is what you were looking for
duo detection
see image see the number 2 highlighted


I will make an easy summary of what was done to make Slaxer_Pup
different



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#58 Post by 01micko »

if i interpret barry's actual notes on his 2.6.29.1-kernel right, ndiswrapper uses the fuse-modul. so ndiswrapper maybe needs a recompile agains the slaxer-kernel/slaxer-fuse-module.
I think that's right aragon.... I read that too on BK's blog.

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#59 Post by Béèm »

01micko wrote:I run an Asus A7S8X.... SiS chipset, (AMD 2100+ Athlon, 512DDR ram, shared with graphics, onboard Sata.... which in the verbose bootup was detected, though I've no Sata drives... Beem would like it!
I'll give it a try then. :wink:
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#60 Post by Béèm »

Worth trying, but no joy for the second sata HDD.
Also I didn't see something about my second cpu.
I am pretty sure the kernel I need is 2.6.29.1

With upup-015 (2.6.29.rc7) I have my second sata HDD.
Fortunately Barry announced that he had chosen the 2.6.29.1

I tried wow's unamed also, this one having 2.6.28.5, but this one don't pass the boot.. I get an error message I don't understand and didn't get an answer. But I know wow is very busy.
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