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`f00


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 08:38    Post subject:
Subject description: upup-461 testing
 

******updated post******
tested on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used (switched in BIOS), PCI
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection
------090419
Burniso2cd of the dl'd upup-461.iso (md5 manually verified) in p4.20-rc4. Cold-booted 'straight' .. kind of odd (but in a gooD way), started with xvesa option for display (and nice setting locale,tz & such at boot). Monochromish desktop is actually oki (and yah, no leafpad icon in 2nd tier of menu - this is due to leafpad's .desktop file pointing to an .xpm rather than the extant .png for icon). No xvesa dialogue for preferred display size as was previously usual at deskstartup. This may be a problem in sequence as even on subsequent cold-boots the desktop reverts to 640x480x16 (drive icons of pup_event frontend are present and functional) .. *BUT* 'disappear' with change of display to my preferred 1024x768x24. And pmount seems less than useful as a mounting utility - click on any button closes the gui (2 tabs are mislabeled as well, optical drives show in a second "floppy" tab and USB thumbdrives are in the "optical" tab) as shown in following image:

Scrollwheel on ps2 maus functions fine, as does the 'middle'button bind to a sidebutton that seems default on this unit in almost all pups (but then again, this is xvesa and not xorg).
------090420
Well, finally - after several rather disappointing boots and flails (mostly to do with non-saved sessions, pmount failing repeatedly and the driveicons on desktop being an extremely rare fluke), something of worth to perhaps the average user.
1) boot from CD, make all pre-desktop settings (I used xvesa since xorg was a non-starter on my usual machine in this upup-461)
2) mainmenu->Shutdown->Reboot (after xload 'settles' to idle) does a 'flicker reboot' and the driveicons come up on the desktop - it may be best to plug in any thumbdrives and mount them (since pmount is less than useful) at this point since the driveicons *may* disappear at any point and mounting anything may be problematical without a means to do so (perhaps learn more command lines and commit to memory Rolling Eyes )
3) mainmenu->Shutdown->Reboot takes me to a 'real' Reboot-> save dialogue the second time - I saved to CD (and the datetime dir was properly loaded and precedent is set for further saves .. I hope)
4) .. a save 'bullseye' icon appears on the desktop (over one of the others), upper right location .. and freememapplet shows info numbers next to the xload graph. Driveicons *were* present and I mounted a thumbdrive (they disappeared when I changed display size in xvesa wizard .. oh well Neutral ). /tmp/xerrs.log seems to always be filling with repeated line
Code:
Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".

.. not so sure of how this branch is going to catch on with 'normal' users with a not-so-vast knowledge of how to make it work - the usual Exit to Prompt seems to not really work anymore from the menu (and Ctrl+Alt+Backspace seems also not to do anything useful .. the 'flicker-RE' is starting to look like a dead end, in my limited opinion).
------090421
After using the in-session save2CD 'bullseye' (gotten used to this by now), the only way to shutdown was a hard poweroff (mainmenu Reboot and Poweroff don't do diddly as far as getting to the shutdown dialogs and as noted previously Ctrl+Alt+Backspace only gives a flicker rather than Exit to Prompt). After hardoff, a fresh boot starts oki with datetime dirs loaded before the .sfs - but the display is reverted back to 640x480x16 and alsamixer lost all settings .. oh, well. There may be some oddness with layers as well - 'top' modifications/files in /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps (as of the last datetime savedir) are not respected and images revert back (no idea if remastering would be worthwhile on an alpha).

------090424 - (further diddlings and a kludge)
Well, I was getting more than a bit put off by having to make a decision on whether I wanted a) mounting by the desktop driveicons coupled with a 640x480x16 'default' display - not so good with oversized windows like Puppy Package Manager .. or b) mounting all drives that might be needed and then changing the display. Then I recalled a kludge. It's not an optimal solution but it works for me (and perhaps others with the same display-change/loss-of-gui-mounting issue). It has to do with the 'cleaning' of desktop icons on line11 of /root/.xinitrc - comment that line out and the driveicons do not disappear when a display change restarts the Xserver. They will work pretty much as expected for mounting and unmounting - actually they are now static and do not disappear at all (as opticals and removable media would if pup_event's front end and the display were working properly together) and the icons change appearance appropriately for mount state.

Funny, upup recognized my old zip100 drive after I loaded a disk and a re-X so I have two 'floppies' now Smile hmm, if it wasn't such a pitb booting from a floppy, 100Mb seems like a nice size for a leaner pup-on-disk (so far thumbdrives have eluded me as media to actually install to and boot from with a fairly old BIOS) .. which kind of segues to

Nope, still no joy on reboot or poweroff or even exit-to-prompt and I see it's some different now, actually a "wm" type of deal now if what I looked at relevant to the issue makes sense (reading _root_.jwmrc and as much of the scripts as I could get the gist of .. /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown? was pretty dense) which would explain the puzzling behavior of a circular re-X rather than the expected reboot/poweroff->save/nosave dialogue and a real actual positively more desired method of ending a session. Hardoff works but it's even worse than my kludge, some things revert and other saved-in-session changes are okay Neutral

Conky's in fine now - didn't need the whole libxcb-1.0.pet, just extract a single file to where it needs to be and make a symlink. Unfortunately, remaster was a bust - got to 'pick a burner drive' to copy stuff from the liveCD and it went away after "okay" (mounted and unmounted) .. oh well, seemed like an idea.

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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 12:47    Post subject:  

Great concept and seems to work well except for menu updates to show newly installed applications and CUPS failure to work. Looking forward to testing later versions of Woof's upup.

One feature, I'd like to see added is an update to pmount and gparted so that ext4 partitions can be accessed and used, especially since ext4 is now used by the new Jaunty Jackalope Ubuntu.

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tronkel


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 14:06    Post subject:  

Certainly going in the right direction, but not there yet. As fast as dPup and uPup also recognises my ATI Radeon video card. Nice looking too IMHO

As Lobster pointed out - no scroll wheel in Seamonkey. Could be a problem with Xorg.

I had a go at installing kpatience via the Package Manager. downloading the dependencies failed in many cases. Same for Firefox and Tilda. Ubuntu servers don't seem reachable in many cases. I had similar problems with the Debian servers when trying to build a dPup earlier today. Lol, these woofers don't seem too happy about Puppy trying to steal the food out of their food bowls! It is a bit of a cheek now that I think about it. Gosh, we all try to do our best for out little pup here and they won't even let us help ourselves to their goodies! (can't say as I blame them, lol - after all, they do put so much time and effort into compiling these packages)

Also tried it on the Asus eeepc via USB stick booted OK but no wireless LAN so far.

But it runs faster than the original Jaunty - and it's no sluggard.

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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 14:41    Post subject:  

gerry wrote:
Be'em- upup-461.sfs is there in /mnt/home/. I looked at permissions (using 412, of course). It had only owner r/w/e, whereas the 412 sfs has group/world read as well. So I changed 461 permissions to match, but still the same result.

Gerry


gerry wrote:
Performing a switch-root to the layered file system...Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
Strange
When I have this message it is because the sfs isn't in /mnt/home.
Don't know what could cause the message.
This is what I have in my frugal install with the Lin'N'Win method.:
upup-461.sfs.png
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 17:40    Post subject:  

Looks interesting...is there a way of installing compiz straight from the package manager? That would be fantastic.

Just from first impressions, a little too "grey" to be immediately attractive to a new user....perhaps Brown to indicate its ubuntu background?

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 19:04    Post subject:  

Just downloaded upup-416, burned an iso, and tried it. Here are my results thus far:

Fotox index image fonts almost unreadable
Pmusic won't play anything but does generate a playlist
Abiword now opens my old Word files with good fonts
Scroll wheel doesn't do anything, anywhere
No menu icons
Leafpad misaligned in menu
"Menu" on tray button is not centered
No gxine, hence no play when clicking icon
Background colors in tray icons are not consistent

I also don't care much for incorporating the pet package manager and puppy installer on one popup. Would prefer them as separate functions.

Thanks so much, so far.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 19:45    Post subject:  

I wonder if Lobster could let me know what medication he takes .....
I've been in this forum too long and I think I might need some of that.

I've just thought of a new word - "woofable"

This description could refer to another linux distro and not Puppy.

e.g. Ubuntu and Debian are "woofable" distros in that their packages can be used to build a Puppy version. Some versions could be more "woofable" than others etc. "woofability" is a characteristic of a distro.

Please tell me I'm still normal.

Is it significant that Lobster appears perfectly normal to me?

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 19:52    Post subject:  

No sound after running alsa wizard in upup-461.
ES1988 Allegro1 Rev 12.
All puppys since 103 have had sound on this laptop.
Also get this with alsamixer:
Code:
# alsamixer

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
#


First puppy that "File-Sharing" has found my puppy server shared folder!

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 21:13    Post subject:  

Hi

Just a small something - went to use pmount, to copy/transfer some files, and when I clicked mount button for any of the un-mounted partitions (sda1 already mounted), pmount just disappeared.

Thought you should know - hopefully nothing too serious.

Best regards - Ray
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 03:38    Post subject:  

Hi

@ rcrsn51
Thanks, problem with password is solved now, but new problem. I get the error:
Quote:
Bad device-uri "socket://fritz.box:9100"!
I've had no problems before with this url. Will try to solve but not so important for me.

@ tronkel
Wlan works with upup out of the box on my EeePc900 Very Happy . Before it worked only with the madwifi driver from tempestuous.
'woofability' sounds good to me.

Btw. I'm the only person I know who is normal Laughing.

~ Rolf

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 04:47    Post subject:  

Quote:
I've just thought of a new word - "woofable"


You are developing further puppytude.
Language evolves - sometimes through misuse Smile
are elements of future Pups woofable?

Something is woofable - that is doable - yes we can
with the right tools

Woof is that tool

Dpup is woofable - I hope that will be in Kennel
Woof Woof is part of the Puppy Bow wow language and now so is woofable . . .
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/miscellaneous/categorydocumentation/bowwow

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 05:47    Post subject:  

Well some thing are woofable, but I have woofability Smile
Woofability Define: The process of using woof and creating and booting a custom woof release made up of downloaded internet packages from multiple locations.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 06:37    Post subject:  

Woofability is something that another distro has.

For example, Ubuntu has a high woofability rating because it can easily be used to make a Puppy Woof version that uses its (Ubuntu's) packages.

Whereas Fedora has no woofability. (not yet anyway).

Debian on the other hand is highly woofable.

Lol! what am I going on about? People from other distros reading all this stuff must really get the impression that all Puppians are nuts!

Remember you heard it all here first!

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 06:53    Post subject:  

Most ingeniously people were called nuts in the beginning. The tragedy: not all nuts are ingeniously Laughing .

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 08:37    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
Woofability is something that another distro has.

For example, Ubuntu has a high woofability rating because it can easily be used to make a Puppy Woof version that uses its (Ubuntu's) packages.

Naaa I wouldn't call that woofability, I would call tha "Woof food" lol we eat it all up Smile

how about dewoofified, the results after having a first time woof experience, lol like being deflowed. lol
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