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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 00:29    Post subject:  

Very Happy Here is 1 background...

Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 01:08    Post subject:  

Hi Jay, Smile

I downloaded Beta 2 because it was not clear from the first post that beta 3 was available Confused
Might be worth editing.post one Smile
In your example palette, previous post, the paint/icons will only look good on one resolution . . .
I also find the fancy font hard to read.
Another thing - not sure if it is in beta3
You have MS notepad and MSpaint in the wine directory.
These are proprietary software. You are not licensed to provide them and Eric is not licensed to host them. I hope they can be replaced with free software Smile
Hope that is useful feedback - if rather negative . . .

Good luck with your next release Smile

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puppyiso


Joined: 12 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 03:48    Post subject: Please do  

puppyluvr, It would be nice if you make slimmed down version(s) which weighs less than 100 ~150 so.

Making barebone+wine+wings only version would be even better.

I would be grateful to you if you make them light enough to fit in my RAM size. Right now, I feel like putting .45 cal to 9mm. Great bullets but unable to use.

I have tried many times. I even installed version 4.2 hoping wine or wings working. none were successful. Your help is my last resort.

This never ending battle with installing 3D on Puppy should end soon.

The real problem could be hardware problem. I may not be able to run 3D with the cmputer I use daily now. But I believe what windows can do can be done in Linux too.


Thank you in advance.

John S.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 09:10    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
@Ed, suggestions noted:
Font fixed...
Default wallpaper is undecided...

Added to first post:
###Beta 3 / RC 1 available, see end of thread..###

As for Notepad and MSPaint, Embarassed
Actually, Notepad comes with Wine...
Paint, OTOH, was an oversight on my part, and has been dutifully removed...
It is useless anyways....except for testing Wine...

@puppyiso,
I`ll see what I can squeeze into 100-150mb and get back...
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37fleetwood


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 14:47    Post subject:  

Hi,
just a couple opinions, first in this puplet you'll likely not be able to make it useful at too small of an iso. any computers too small to run it are definitely going to have trouble manipulating any photos, the scratch disk alone is going to be ram prohibitive. applying filters is going to take years to accomplish. if you make a small iso please don't go smaller on the main one.
now to go in the opposite direction, this wouldn't be my main Puplet, more of a workshop I put in when I needed to work on something. you can strip all the other stuff out of it. I don't need games, calculators, etc. just give me tools for photos/art, something like Scribus for publishing, a browser is optional, and a small media player ( I like to rock out while doing photofinishing Laughing B-52's today! Rolling Eyes )

now a question or two. about the wallpaper, please give me a target size and resolution to aim at. my monitor is 1440x900 but I figure you'll want something a bit smaller. I can make it in several sizes and make them available to anyone wanting higher resolution.

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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 22:05    Post subject:  

37fleetwood, I do not know if I understood you correctly but what I am saying is that it would be nice to have one or two separate versions as a "special version", or "extra version" BESIDES the regular or original version.

I have no intention of downsizing regular PAW because computers nowadays comes with 1GB RAM minimum. My wife bought a Toshiba notebook with 2GB RAM nearly 2 years ago in the US. So it is quite normal to use PAW as is.

I am not saying .45cal should be 9mm. I am not confusing 1911A with Sigsauer. .45 is good but mine is 9mm. I would like to have 9mm for my gun. Simple If I walk into a gunshop and the dealer recommends me a small SW for backup, I wouldn't dump my trusty 12" GP100. I just want to have an EXTRA.

Wings 3D is such a small program and doesn't require huge memory.

It just didn't work when I tried so I hope to have a puppy just with that.

And I use windows photoshop with WINE everyday. So wine+wings are all I need.

I
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 10:07    Post subject:  

I could not pass up making a pic for this one considering I was the inspiration for this awesome OS..got to love my hubby..so here is my simple background idea..






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PostPosted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 10:14    Post subject:  

Very Happy

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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 22:20    Post subject:  

puppyluvr, don't worry about the cinepaint. gimp will do now, I suppose - and thanks for that already !

I just got the chance to run this on my nvidia desktop, and to my great surprise, it works great ! I don't have 3D acceleration at the moment (I tried to install it from 3DCC but the it gave me an error), but the default driver chosen by xorgwizard, the nv driver, works fine !

I can run everything in the Graphics menu (including Wings3D, Blender3D), no problem.

Now, for minor details:
1. Xara Xtreme starts with an error message. This is because of an error in the /usr/share/applications/xaralx.desktop. There is a line inside that file which says:
Code:

Exec=xaralx %f

It should be
Code:

Exec=xaralx

(No %f at the end)

2. Upon starting, I saw 6 hda partitions on my desktop, while in fact I only have 4. I guess this is a left over from re-mastering? (I don't know how to fix this as I've never done any remasters ...)

3. Running Terragen in wine, if I click the 3D icon on the left navigation bar, it will crash X and I'm back at the terminal. Perhaps because I don't have my 3D driver installed.

cheers!

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 01:15    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,

@jamesbond,
Thanks, I keep missing that...I`ll get the little details cleaned up before the final release.
As for the partitions, I doubt its a remnant of remastering, as I have only 3 partitions!!!...However, Hotpup has been piling up the icons on the machines I test on..Maybe need to investigate further...

Currently, for RC-2 I`ve added the GAP, Gimp Animation plug-in....Wow is this thing cool.. Very Happy

@As for Terragen... Embarassed I forgot to post this...Do not try to preview in 3D...that button just kills X..I have full 3D accel., GL, ect...same problem....If I remember right, its an X-Windows thing....There is a thread concerning Terragen itself...

Glad to hear good feedback about everything working OK so far, as my own testing facility`s are limited..And some of the software I have no idea (yet LOL) how to use.
Basically now I`m trying to "clean up" a lot af stuff..Replacing duplicated Libs with Symlinks, ect....Trying to "lighten the load"...Getting the big stuff was easy, its the details that take time...

When I get back to rebuilding my other Pups, Buddapup and Icepup, whose rebirths/updates were delayed by HDD failure, they will benefit greatly from the experience of building PAW....I guess it all works out in the end...

.Building this has been an amazing learning experience for me..
Thank You Very Happy to anyone who uses it.....

@@@ RC-2 coming shortly..@@@
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Apr 2009, 17:22    Post subject:  

puppyiso,
This is not a "Lite" version of PAW, just:
Puppy 4.12 Barebones Retro + Wine + Wings=156mb
No Browser, Bling, or Bloat....
See PupWings at my link below...

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 01:03    Post subject: Thank you  

I don't know what to say.

Thank you very much! I tried on my wife's notebook a little earlier.

Just what I needed!

there wasn't any screen capture program so no screenshots but fast and smooth.

Now it's time to try with my own computer before she gets up.

Whatever I add(wallpapers, icons, etc), that will be based on this.

I am absolutely stunned and excited now. Thank YOU!

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 09:19    Post subject:  

I tried on my own machine which runs the same 412sfs and the same 412 retro kernel.

Wings works fine. Thank God!

But WINE is not working like it supposed to. First, I tried windows installed apps. No responses. Then, I tried install and run all in Puppy.

Installed fine but not a response. I don't know what I did wrong.

Photoshop, for an example, ran ok in other puppy but not with this new one. I checked installed packages and found Open GL installed.

Then, why it doesn't work? Any idea?

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 10:29    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,

@puppyiso,
Open a terminal and type in "wine" (without the quotes) and tell me what you get..
Typing "wine+program name" should launch said program..
EX: "wine notepad" should launch notepad....
For "Click and Run" capability on .exe files, you must install the
Wine mime type for Rox Pup from:

http://puppylover.netsons.org/dokupuppy/programs:wine
Lots of useful Wine stuff there...

Wine is very large, 87mb worth to get Terragen working in PAW...
Way to big, but I love Terragen...
For the final release I may remove Terragen / Wine and offer them as an sfs instead, IDK...
Jay...

@RC-2 will be uploaded by tonight!!

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 13:15    Post subject: screens  

After trying a few hours, I installed wine 1.19.sfs and somehow it helped(?) I now can run photoshop and a few more. But not with K3D or any other 3D apps.

I downloaded K3D and installed in drive C.
After wine configure, I clicked on K3D.exe but nothing happened.

typing wine k3d returned "could not load k3d.exe module"

Please take a look at the screen shots I took.

I even tried to open 3dsmax but just 1 or 2 seconds of splash screen and gone. no further movement.

DeleD (another 3d program) opened but all viewport were messed up.

I thought not enough swap space which is 0 now but I don't know how to increase it.

It might got nothing to do with no response from K3D.

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