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Puppies 4.2 Deeper Thought :)
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 02:48    Post_subject:  Puppies 4.2 Deeper Thought :)  

Well I did promise a no Bling version of puppy 4.2. This one starts faster, refresh faster, and would be more stable due to the upgrades in some scripts.
removed:
-Pwidgets
-Ptray
-Icewm
-flat orange menu icons
-flat black icon theme
-133 new system links in /root/my-applications/bin

Installed/upgraded
-upgraded freememory applet to the better working one.
-installed 3 tiny games X-soldier, Classic Breakout, X-Invaders-3D
-reverted back a few scripts, improved a few scripts with the way they handle system taskbar monitors.
-removed restart with Icewm from the shutdown, since its gone.
-Added flac plugin for alsa player Smile That should really improve the audio capabilities Smile

This wasn't a remaster, I basically hand edited the pup_420.sfs file itself. What a process Wink worked on it day and night since 4.2 was released.
so here it is.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/puppy420/release/puppies-4.2-k2.6.25.16-seamonkey.iso

MD5 Sum
c58a545d85c23374f4564d8c86cf5cb8

Username: puppy
Password: Linux
you'll probably have to type it twice Smile

And below is a screenshot of what the default desktop looks like, its a mixture of 'Deep Thought' and 'L'orange' Themes plus a couple of extra icons Smile

Enjoy
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 03:03    Post_subject:  

One question.... iso size? (Well I could go to .ca and find out but...)
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 03:07    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:
One question.... iso size? (Well I could go to .ca and find out but...)

Its about the same size, 99MB its the compression of the sfs which compresses more than tar.gz or pets. But the overall install size is about 1.5 MB smaller
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 03:20    Post_subject:  

It just goes to show with open source you can have your cake and eat it. Smile

There was obviously a demand for this amongst more seasoned puppiers, This keeps them happy, while new users can still have their "bling" and usability....so they have more chance of becoming seasoned puppiers.

Im all for this being put on the main release page as an option, even though I was in the "pro-bling" camp for the main release.

Is there a "blingfree-retro edition"? Useful for those die-hard 486'ers

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 03:35    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
It just goes to show with open source you can have your cake and eat it. Smile

There was obviously a demand for this amongst more seasoned puppiers, This keeps them happy, while new users can still have their "bling" and usability....so they have more chance of becoming seasoned puppiers.

Im all for this being put on the main release page as an option, even though I was in the "pro-bling" camp for the main release.

Is there a "blingfree-retro edition"? Useful for those die-hard 486'ers


The retro version has the bling turned off by default. Thats why I focussed on the default version, Now time for me to move back onto Dpup Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 04:43    Post_subject:  

Good job, ttuuxxx! Those of us with underpowered equipment need something like this.Thanks....
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 12:10    Post_subject:  

@ ttuuxxx: Check out Turbopup Very Happy

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40477

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 12:33    Post_subject:  

synth wrote:
@ ttuuxxx: Check out Turbopup Very Happy

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40477

90% hand edited Smile


Thats cool, The version I made above is for people who wanted a default version like in the past, from series 1.0-4.12. If you want to take it even further, use my base and do the rest to it, Since I went through all the trouble of removing it all, and using previous releases parts from 4.12 etc to bring it back to a regular release, It would save you a lot of time if that was your next step, plus things like fixed menus is tweaked.
Also I see you disabled Cups, maybe make a desktop icon linked to killcups found in usr/bin, that will automatically restart it, I made that script so it would restart cups if users had issues with freezing, if they upgrade printers etc that way they don't have to restart the pc Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 12:37    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
01micko wrote:
One question.... iso size? (Well I could go to .ca and find out but...)

Its about the same size, 99MB its the compression of the sfs which compresses more than tar.gz or pets. But the overall install size is about 1.5 MB smaller
ttuuxxx

Thanks! I'm downloading it right now. I'm looking forward to it being noticeably faster and more stable than 4.2, even though 1.5 MB isn't a significant size difference.

Any tests yet of Puppies' memory and CPU usage compared to "normal" 4.2?

EDIT: And what's its md5sum?

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 12:45    Post_subject:  

ComputerBob wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
01micko wrote:
One question.... iso size? (Well I could go to .ca and find out but...)

Its about the same size, 99MB its the compression of the sfs which compresses more than tar.gz or pets. But the overall install size is about 1.5 MB smaller
ttuuxxx

Thanks! I'm downloading it right now. I'm looking forward to it being noticeably faster and more stable than 4.2, even though 1.5 MB isn't a significant size difference.

Any tests yet of Puppies' memory and CPU usage compared to "normal" 4.2?


Naa I can't do those test right, my pc's are too new, like this one is 4 gigs of ddr2 800 ram. So it usuallys shows like 3.6% being used by seamonkey and 1.2% by gimp and the cpu is less. Have a look below.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 22:09    Post_subject:  

thanks a lot!
This is what i want.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 23:03    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:

The retro version has the bling turned off by default.
ttuuxxx


I dont understand.
I have retro 4.2., and it does have the 'bling':
Pwidgets, Ptray, icewm, that i can see.
I dont know what processes you refer to as "turned off by default".
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 23:07    Post_subject:  

Looks cleaner!

Boots faster!

Love it!

Thanks ttuuxxx!

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar 2009, 05:44    Post_subject:  

When I look in HTOP (or is it top) on my 1GB PC,I also have 4 entries for Seamonkey. Are this really 4 separate processes and do they each use the amount of ram as advertised in the png?
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar 2009, 06:11    Post_subject:  

Béèm wrote:
When I look in HTOP (or is it top) on my 1GB PC,I also have 4 entries for Seamonkey. Are this really 4 separate processes and do they each use the amount of ram as advertised in the png?

whats the spec on it, maybe each one is for the 4 programs that make it up,
-Navigator
-Mail&Newsgroups
-Composer
-Address book

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Ps did the new homebank import those files you wanted?

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