Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10

[BarryK]

As I got no job yet, it looks like I will have sufficient time in april then, to look at the remaining issues in NYP.

One thought that occurred to me, as I think Vala has a big future, why not write a beginners book on Vala/Genie -- cover both bases, all examples in both syntaxes alongside each other. You would be able to ride the wave when it comes. A "Vala for Dummies" book would be good.

Just a thought for something you could do that might earn money in the future!

If you did it through an established publisher, you would have many more sales, but you would have to expect at least 6 months solid work. I say this from experience. Basically, you write a chapter, send it to them, they send it back with a million corrections (and you start to get very annoyed with them). I think Sage has some experience in this field too.

[aarf]

Wikibooks has a book on the topic of
Vala Programming

[tlchost]

The crisis now has affected the IT business, the company where I was offered to work last month, not longer can employ new people.

As I got no job yet, it looks like I will have sufficient time in april then, to look at the remaining issues in NYP.

Sorry to hear that Mark....same thing hapened to me with an academic institution. Best of luck and thanks for supporting us.

Thom

[farangcm]

I got my repaired ATI card back and booted the RC7 midi CD, but I cannot get both monitors to work. I still have RC2 on a usb stick and both monitors work fine there. When I run amdcccle on RC7 it only shows a single display and there are no options on the dual display tab.

I played with aticonfig and even replaced xorg.conf with a working Ubuntu version to no avail. Finally, in desperation, I copied over the whole ATI folder from RC2 and now both monitors work! I don't know if this is just a configuration issue, or perhaps an ATI problem.

Allen

[MU]

Finally, in desperation, I copied over the whole ATI folder from RC2 and now both monitors work! I don't know if this is just a configuration issue, or perhaps an ATI problem.

Allen

Allen,
please tell me, what you copied?
Ati drivers are sometimes real headbangers.
New releases can break support for some cards, then they get fixed lateron...
I think of adding 8.12 again as second option.

I also will upgrade 9.2 to 9.3.
This will stay for a while, as it is the last version, that supports "medium aged" cards.
Newer Catalysts just will support newest Ati cards.

Ati drops old cards now, so that they are able, to clean up the buggy fglrx driver "from scratch" (though it has become pretty usable meanwhile, at least for new cards like my 4850 it has really fast and stable 3D support).

To ensure long term support for the older cards, they now provide the developers of the free radeon and radeonhd drivers with more specifications.

However, 9.3 will not receive updates, that make it compatible with new kernels, and especially next Xorg versions.
So there might be an overlapping period, when such cards are neither supported by Catalyst nor by Xorg.

This would mean, we had to provide two versions of NYP 3 or 4, one with xorg 7.4, one with xorg 7.5.
I don't know yet, how I will realize this, it depends on how much time I have.

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Talking about time:
today I managed to receive payment for another 2 month course in C#/Microsoft .NET.
It starts right after Java next week.
So I cannot promise, when I can fix the remaster issue, or release the "final" version of NYP02.
Unless the remaster is fixed, I might release more "RC" versions.
These would basically just include some upgrades, like newer Wine, or the second Catalyst driver.

It might look a bit strange, to have so many "rc" versions.
On the other hand, big distros just release stable ones once or twice a year, so I think this is acceptable to stay with "rc".
Like this people stay aware, that some things might not work as expected.

Working with C# also means, I will have a closer look at Mono.
There is a Mono SFS around, but I did not try it in NYP yet.
So if I have bad luck, I must compile my own one.
C# will be, like Java, a language for enterprise development.
To develop tools for Puppy, I prefer Genie, as it needs no huge Virtual machine.
Mark

[Sage]

Sorry to hear about the employment setback, Mark. Don't rule out working in the UK - lower salaries, sometimes difficult contract terms, but there are still opportunities, allegedly. Your command of my language exceeds that of a large number of the locals, too!
BK re. technical writing, editing - no money, endless grief, soaks up all available time. Only masochists need apply. But the feeling when you hold the advance copies in your mitt is priceless. Then there comes remaindering...

[farangcm]

I originally copied over the ten files from RC2 in /etc/ati: amdpcsdb, amdpcsdb.default, atiogl.xml, authatieventsd.sh, control, inst_path_default, inst_path_override, logo_mask.xbm.example, logo.xbm.example, and signature.

But I did some more testing today booting the RC7 midi CD with pfix=ram (so it doesn't grab my frugal install save file) and of course I choose the ATI Catalyst option. I find I only have to replace the amdpcsdb.default file and do CTL-ALT-BS, then XWIN to get the multi-display tab to work in the ATI Catalyst Control Center.

The courses sound good--I can't wait for .net under wine in NYPup final

Allen

[MU]

Allen,
great, thanks for encircling that issue.
I'm not 100% certain which catalyst I had in RC2, might you please post your amdpcsdb.default so that I can use it for the next version?
I have an old one with 674 byte; the current one is 3895 byte.

It seems to contain some hardwarespecific settings, but I don't exactly understand the content.

Mark

[MU]

The courses sound good--I can't wait for .net under wine in NYPup final

you may at least install Mono in wine, type:
winetricks --help

I am not certain, that I will try to run .NET related stuff in Wine.
As a developer, I must test programs on the original system, to get reproducable results for companies/customers.

I now have bought a internal harddrive, to be able to use XP.
I used the "home edition" CD from my old notebook, and installed SP2 and 3.
After installation, I created a backup of sda1 and the bootsector with "dd".
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12432
I then booted Puppy in wows Virtualbox in NYP.
I copied via ftp ("lampp start" from the xampp.sfs, proftpd) the XP backup to a second virtual harddisk, and restored the XP system from it as described.

In virtualbox, I had to set 2 things:
IO-Acpi must be used, or XP freezes at startup.
And you must assign the MAC adress of your Network card to the virtual one, see:
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9697#38158
VII) Windows activation

When I copy then wpa.dbl back from the original XP, I get rid of the re-activation because of the different "hardware".

Finally I installed from the virtualbox menu the guest addons in XP.

Now I can switch to seemless mode in the menu or with CTRL-L.

I attach a screenshot.

btw., I have the impression, that XP starts with native speed in virtual box, and NYP even faster than as native startup.
Especially loading the kernel is much faster

Mark

[nancy reagan]

Sorry to hear about the employment setback, Mark. Don't rule out working in the UK - lower salaries, sometimes difficult contract terms, but there are still opportunities, allegedly. Your command of my language exceeds that of a large number of the locals, too!
BK re. technical writing, editing - no money, endless grief, soaks up all available time. Only masochists need apply. But the feeling when you hold the advance copies in your mitt is priceless. Then there comes remaindering...

Yes why not finally be paid for your qualities and exertions ?

I do not know you but you make the impression on me of being a sweet person and therefore life might be hard "in society".

Yet, you might try to find a way to trade your skills ?

(which would be a loss in the forum but it is about you MU, try to figure that out).

[tlchost]

I will try remaster express on my own.

If you can, please find a way to turn the autosave when running a USB bootable off.....while it's nice to save a session befroe one reboots, the
autosave may save things that we don't want saved.

Thanks

Thom

[techtype]

Mark,

If you get time, please release the nvidia drivers as a pet.

Thanks!!

Edit: no rush at all on this Mark, I found where you did the open source drivers as an SFS and that will satisfy me for now. I'm using them with wow's pup.

[farangcm]

I dug a little deeper and found that the amdpcsdb.default file is the same in RC2 and RC3 and the ATI Catalyst Control Center multi-display tab has the clone and extended options. In RC6 and RC7 the amdpcsdb.default file doesn't have one command: "Enable RandR12=SFALSE". That is the only difference. So RC7 is ok--for whatever reason, I just need to issue that command to see the multi-display options.

Allen

[playdayz]

I made a pet of Scribus 1.3.3.12 that works with NewYearsPup MU.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40511

[MU]

I made a pet of Scribus 1.3.3.12 that works with NewYearsPup MU.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40511

great, thanks.
I just installed the scribus.pet, but not the other three you mentioned, as the MIDI and MAXI already contain (different) versions.
Scribus starts up without error, so it seems, that the other pets are not required.
I did not test it in detail, as I need some sleep now.

I mirrored it in the addons folder for the midi/maxi version.
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2009-01-to-06 ... -13312.pet
Thanks, Mark

[playdayz]

I thought NYP had the dependencies, python and the dbus programs, as well as the qt but I forgot to either check or mention it. I will change the description to say that "NYP Midi and Maxi already have the dependencies and require nothing else in addition to the scribus13312 pet." Is that correct? thanks.

Oh yeah, I also am finishing a Gimp 2.6.6 pet that works with NYP and Ultrapup but not with 4.1.1 or 4.2 (so far).

[MU]

I will change the description to say that "NYP Midi and Maxi already have the dependencies and require nothing else in addition to the scribus13312 pet." Is that correct?

yes, this is correct
Mark

[playdayz]

These two pets will install Gimp 2.6.6 (latest stable version) on NewYearsPup (not yet on 4.2 unfortunately). I tested on NYP maxi rc7.

gimp266.pet contains the program and menu files
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/gimp266.pet

4NYPgimp.pet contains the dependencies for NYP
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/4NYPgimp.pet

I have tested that it starts and runs with no errors from a console, also that the dependencies are necessary for NYP. It also sets a menu item. The program files are Slackware binaries. Please let me know about any anomalies. Thank you.

[MU]

I uploaded NYP 02 rc8

Please also install this small bugfix:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 220#293220

Changes:
updated libdrm (2.4.5), Mesa (7.4), Ati Radeon (6.12.1), Ati Catalyst (9.3), Intel 2.6.3 (thanks Johan).
To read details about these changes, look at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 4&start=60.
You'll also find there "standalone" pets of those drivers, in case you want to upgrade yourself Micro or Mini or Lxdepup.

Further upgrades:
Wine: 1.1.18 (thanks technosaurus)
Gimp: 2.6.6 (thanks Playdayz!)
Firefox: 3.0.8

Added:
Winecolorsetter
FoxIt! PDF-Viewer (thanks ttuuxx)
JWM alpha (with rounded corners and xcompmgr support, thanks Patriot)
Streamtuner with Alsaplayer (thanks ttuuxx) and streamripper

Still unsolved are these issues:
-multisession not possible with remastered CD
-slow networktraffic:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 4&start=75


Notes 1:
the drm.ko is a patched version supporting newer Ati cards. I hope, it does not break dri support of other cards. In case it does, try to replace it with the old drm.ko I attach.
I'm sorry for this confusion, but with all the latest drivers, it is not possible for me to check these changes myself. So I depend on your reports.

Notes 2:
switching from Ati radeon (xorgwizard) to Ati Catalyst and vice versa might freeze X. Simply reboot then.
R600 (e.g. HD4850) and R700 chips from Ati have no 3D accelleration with the Radeon driver, but support video accelleration (activate the xv driver in mplayer). The Catalyst has 3D, but 2D might be slower than with radeon.
The radeon support for these new chips is experimental. On my HD4850, JWM displays no Icons. Icewm has broken titlebars. LXDE/Openbox and E17 work fine.

Mark

[Jim1911]

Downloaded RC8 midi twice, both times sfs has an error when trying to copy it for a frugal installation.