pWidgets 2.5.8

[zigbert]

just doing a poll. Hope this is right 'Hvor gamle er du'

Jeg er trettifire år. Hope your translator works both ways



Our thanks should go to Warren who actually builds the next Puppy.

Warren, we never finished our pwidgets-size-war


Sigmund

[tasmod]

Hmmm, size war.

"Mines bigger than yours hey "

Trying translator now Z. (Sounds like line from Men in Black)

We have Z, M, T, R. Now here's my dark glasses

[tasmod]

Ahh got it! seperate 'tretti fire' translates OK.

[tasmod]

At the moment I've had to do a fresh RC2 install due to a corrupted pupsave. Not sure what happened but 1.9.9 seemed to fall out with me.

I'm on 1.9.5. not changing anything until I reload my widgets.

I lost Moon and Alarm development work. But this morning found copies on my Win PC, not quite up to date but still workable. Alarm though well behind what i had done, virtual restart.

[tasmod]

Hmm, all me at moment. sorry.

Loaded 1.9.10 onto other machine and same problem, two clocks!

same problem, clicking up arrow loads theme window.

Will try a fresh install on that one too.

[trio]

Guys

I'm retiring for tonite, enough bling war for the day..hh..cee yaa

[01micko]

Ziggy

"All's fair in love and war"... I don't know who said it.

Trio

"you got the focus"... said by some bloke, probably Norweigan, on another totally unrelated thread...

WhoDo

" Can you include (insert rant here)"... tooo many to mention have said/asked that!

Tasmod

"Hmmmm, size war".. said by you, meant by you..

01micko

"Are we there yet?" asked by me, I am a deer with no eyes.

[zigbert]

Ahh got it! seperate 'tretti fire' translates OK.

Clever

[zigbert]

2 clocks is possible because of /root/Startup/. Trio pointed that the startup scripts are executed alphabetically so 'show_widgets' is not the best name. Changed to 0_show_widgets. If you upgrade an already installed Pwidgets, you'll now have 2 startup scripts. No problem for Puppy 4.2.


Sigmund

[zigbert]

"Are we there yet?" asked by me, I am a deer with no eyes.

Yes, my friend. We're really close, - because of you.


Sigmund

[zigbert]

Rob
Maybe I have missed it, but I don't know your full name. I'm writing credits for the Pwidgets about-dialog, and want to include full name of the 'TEAM Pwidgets' members.


Sigmund

[tasmod]

Not been mentioned before, it's Robert Lane

The avatar is cuneiform writing of my name.

[WhoDo]

Warren, we never finished our pwidgets-size-war

Yes. I haven't surrended, I've just made a strategic withdrawal so I can gather my troops for a final onslaught!

I'm wondering whether the difference between our two figures may be because I'm taking mine from a raw partition outside the LZMA'd squash file system and yours are from within?

Either way, I'm very happy with what you guys have done with Pwidgets and have no doubt they will cause a stir in the wider community when 4.2 is released.

[tasmod]

I altered your shutdown dialog version slightly for my personal use.

Removed, lock. Does anyone actually use that?

Added restart X and new Restart JWM to front menu, put 'switch to icewm' to 'advanced' menu


I tidied my pwidgets files, too many empty sed*** files.

May I suggest a slight alteration. tmp (folder) is heavily used by all, writing new tmp (file) on the fly with func removes some useful info. Perhaps use different unique file names, avoiding confusion ?

[zigbert]

Robert
Thank you.
I'm keepin' an eye on the empty sed files.


Sigmund

[zigbert]

Warren

You use Treesize for counting. I have not tried that, but the way you use it, it counts only kilobytes, - not bytes. I get nearly the same result as you if I run 'du -k' on my Pwidgets tree (904kb). If I instead use the -b switch 'du -b' I get about the half. I am of course not happy with that (I intend to win this war ), but as I told in a previous post, I didn't include all the directories in my addition, because ROX didn't, - but 'du' does, and it says that dir-size is 4kb. I was somewhat confused that Pwidgets could be that big. (Around 460kb for my Pwidgets-1.9-10 tree). Then I realized that many of the directories in the tree doesn't belong to Pwidgets, but are system directories that in any case are inside the filesystem, so Pwidgets won't add their size. I count 14 system directories (ie. /usr/sbin/). That should be 56kb in total. The rest 400kb belongs to Pwidgets according to my trustable counting . Maybe there is an accurate option in treesize, - Else it not much to trust when counting small files.

The next version of Pwidgets will have a 'Stop/Start Pwidgets' function.


Sorry for being bombastic
Sigmund

[trio]

Trio

"you got the focus"... said by some bloke, probably Norweigan, on another totally unrelated thread...

Where? tq

[WhoDo]

You use Treesize for counting. I have not tried that, but the way you use it, it counts only kilobytes, - not bytes. I get nearly the same result as you if I run 'du -k' on my Pwidgets tree (904kb). If I instead use the -b switch 'du -b' I get about the half. I am of course not happy with that (I intend to win this war )

I'm determined that we will BOTH "win", Sigmund.

I accept what you're saying about Treesize, and it makes a great deal of sense to me. I have also found something worrying ... puzzling ... even curious as well. In the latest release of Pwidgets-1.9.10 you have made JebaJQ8's "yellow" clock skin the default. When I booted my fresh install and saw that, I decided to have a look and see just how big that was. Imagine my shock when ROX (not Treesize) reported it was 77kb!!!

I thought "No, that's not possible. Sigmund would NEVER use a skin that size as a default choice"! So I checked the original package in Unleashed and it was only 9585b!!! Then I checked the rootfs-complete build directory and it was 9585b there too! So somewhere in between building the packages in rootfs-complete and packing them into pup_420.sfs it got messed up! I wonder if that is happening elsewhere too?

I am using lzma-4.32.0-beta3 because that's the one Barry used in Puppy 4.12, but the later lzma-458 is available to use instead. I may just give that a try to see whether it resolves the problem.

I didn't include all the directories in my addition, because ROX didn't, - but 'du' does, and it says that dir-size is 4kb. I was somewhat confused that Pwidgets could be that big. (Around 460kb for my Pwidgets-1.9-10 tree). Then I realized that many of the directories in the tree doesn't belong to Pwidgets, but are system directories that in any case are inside the filesystem, so Pwidgets won't add their size. I count 14 system directories (ie. /usr/sbin/). That should be 56kb in total. The rest 400kb belongs to Pwidgets according to my trustable counting . Maybe there is an accurate option in treesize, - Else it not much to trust when counting small files.

I'll have a look to see whether Treesize has any options. It will be a useful utility but only IF it counts size accurately. Otherwise it's just bloat and I'll remove it from the next build.

The next version of Pwidgets will have a 'Stop/Start Pwidgets' function.

Sorry for being bombastic

Bombastic? You? Never! You were / are defending your baby and your team and I accept that. I definitely have no mortgage on being "right" about anything, and if there are differences in what we are seeing then we need to discover why, for everyone's benefit. Good idea about the Start/Stop button. I still think just moving the 0_show_widgets from the /root/startup directory should be easily dealt with by the newest newbie, but this way it becomes more intuitive.

Cheers, mate.

[trio]

(I intend to win this war )

I'm determined that we will BOTH "win", Sigmund.

Above all, puppy wins!

[01micko]

Not been mentioned before, it's Robert Lane

The avatar is cuneiform writing of my name.

Aw yeah... you mentioned it...