Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10

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Sage · #201 Post by **Sage** » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 11:04

Great news on the jobs front, Mark - congrats!
As for sound:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 356#281356
it continues to be a dog's dinner in NYPMU, I'm afraid.

Jim1911 · #202 Post by **Jim1911** » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 21:30

Mark,

Now running RC6 midi which has become my favorite pup. Runs great even the Desktop Chooser, except for Enlightment DR17.

Do you have any suggestions for pets that work with this distribution that contain the latest HP drivers? Also, xsane can't find my printer HP Photosmart C5280.

Glad to hear that you're having some success on your job search. They will be fortunate if they are able to get you.

Thanks,
Jim

#203 Post by MU » Fri 06 Mar 2009, 21:50

Jim,
I think http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27519 should work.
libnetsmpt is already in NYP, you just will need the newest hplip pet.

E17:
what is not working?
Does it not start at all?

Mark

Jim1911 · #204 Post by **Jim1911** » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 00:29

Mark,

Enlightment would not start, however, when I doublechecked prior to this reply, not only did it not start, but I could not get any desktop other than LXDE to work so I'm apparantly having the same instability with the Desktop Chooser that others have had. Fortunately, I had a backup of my save file. I hadn't noticed it because I have stayed with the Openbox+LXPanel+Cario Dock desktop, my favorite, after initially looking them over.

Tried the hpijs drivers you suggested, but the driver listed as correct for my printer would not work. Xsane does recognize the printer now even with an older driver, so I'll stick with what works.

Thanks,
Jim

Sage · #205 Post by **Sage** » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 08:59

OK, Mark, by chance, rediscovered the sole example of a derivative that will correctly shutdown on a SiS chipset: it's NOP.
So gray is the only guy in the world who knows the answer to this longest running conundrum.
Come in gray...
What did you do that has eluded everyone else?!
Only drawback is that the shutdown command causes a reboot with a full installation.

#206 Post by MU » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 09:48

Jim, try it like this:

If you cannot switch a desktop, try this:
hit CTRL-ALT-Backspace to exit X.
Then type:
xwin 123

This starts no desktop, but directly the desktopchooser.
So here you now can select one of your choice.

Mark

Frila · #207 Post by **Frila** » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 18:00

This was the nicest puplet I have seen. Just great! Really good job

Just one problem, the task bar sometimes disappears up, "above the screen", and is not reachable...

#208 Post by MU » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 18:43

Frila wrote:This was the nicest puplet I have seen. Just great! Really good job

Just one problem, the task bar sometimes disappears up, "above the screen", and is not reachable...

I don't have this issue, but had it in wows unnamed puplet some days ago running in virtualbox.
I have no solution yet.

But a workaround:
if you click on the icon "Reload Desktop" on your desktop, it should re-appear?
This icon will reload the panel and the desktop icons.

Does that work for you?
Mark

Jim1911 · #209 Post by **Jim1911** » Sat 07 Mar 2009, 21:55

Mark,

Thanks, however, I haven't been able to duplicate the problem with Desktop Chooser not selecting a desktop. All desktops seem to work except Enlightment.

I did try the "xwin 123" solution which acts just as you said.

Thank you for your fine pup that's already the favorite.
Jim

#210 Post by MU » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 04:58

Jim,
while I upgraded some xorg files, some got lost, so E17 will not start.

I attach a pet that includes them, now E17 should work

Mark

Frila · #211 Post by **Frila** » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 15:06

MU wrote:
Frila wrote:This was the nicest puplet I have seen. Just great! Really good job

Just one problem, the task bar sometimes disappears up, "above the screen", and is not reachable...
I don't have this issue, but had it in wows unnamed puplet some days ago running in virtualbox.
I have no solution yet.

But a workaround:
if you click on the icon "Reload Desktop" on your desktop, it should re-appear?
This icon will reload the panel and the desktop icons.

Does that work for you?
Mark

If I reboot the task bar comes back nicely. But reloading desktop does not work. But, actually the problem has just appeared occasionally.

I'm now running from a USB stick and it works just perfectly

.
But why starts Xorgwizard every time? I have to hit Xorg every time?? Should it be like that?

#212 Post by MU » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 17:26

Frila wrote:I'm now running from a USB stick and it works just perfectly .
But why starts Xorgwizard every time? I have to hit Xorg every time?? Should it be like that?

no, certainly not

I must test this myself in the next days.
I just finished rc7, so cannot give you a bugfix today.

I hope, I can solve it until wednesday.

Mange takk for the compliments

Mark

#213 Post by MU » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 17:49

uploaded rc7

In rc6, there STILL was a wrong libdri.so.
And maybe some other wrong libs.

As a consequence, xorg was not usable on my notebook with SIS graficschip.
I now replaced again several libs, and now it works.
So if your graficscard did not work with Midi in rc6, it now might work.

Concerning SIS poweroff:
I looked at NOP, and it runs "acpi=force" from isolinux.cfg.
So I added this, too. Like this such Computers should power down, if run from CD.
I hope, this has no bad sideeffect on other computers, but until now, from what I had read, this usually is ok.

The weather-applet is included again, but must be activated explicitly in the desktop-options.
Also the deskicons themselves must be activated there, so the desktop looks less "overfilled" at startup.

I added the missing lib for E17.
I added missing GPG binaries, that caused an error starting Sylpheed.
Replaced Puppy Package Manager with localized version (french).

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I spent hours, to check remastering.
Still broken: you can not use remastered DVDs for multisession.
After you saved the first session, Puppy hangs at startup at "setting up the layered filesystem". I found no solution yet

Concerning multisession with the original Iso - it works here:
I burned it with "Burniso2CD".
Saving sessions worked fine, but I got an error "Rock ridge" when I tried to save the 4th session.
After a reboot, I could continue to save sessions, though. I created more than 10.

I then burned a second DVD with pburn.
Here I could save 8 sessions without any error.

Googling for "Rock ridge" brought no help.
This error seems to be given for a wide variety of errors.
This can be filesystem charset errors, errors on the DVD, or others.
As I got this error only once, I just can suspect, that it was something related to writing speed or a bad media.

I however could NOT save a session, if I removed the DVD temporarily, to burn another one with pburn. This resulted in a seek error.
But pburn in general is problematic with my Phillips burner, I usually reboot, after I burned a DVD.

Mark

Frila · #214 Post by **Frila** » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 20:06

You must be working with this so you eyes are getting square

I'm not so very familiar with .sfs files. If I want to update to rc7 which is the best way to do it without reinstalling everything? Can I extract the .sfs file out of the .iso file and then just copy it to my USB stick? Or, was that too simple?

#215 Post by MU » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 20:36

Frila,

You can click on the Iso in the filemanager, to mount it.
This will open it like a folder in /mnt/.
So you will see something like
/mnt/+mnt+sdc1+downloads+NewyearspupMU-02-rc7-midi.iso
In that folder, you will see a file called "pup_411.sfs".
Copy than onto your USB-Stick, overwriting the existing one.

If you have no pup_411.sfs on your USB-Stick, it would be more difficult.
Let me know, if you have one there.

The best will be, to copy, while it is not in use.
So if possible, boot from CD.
The fat32 filesystem commonly used on USB-sticks would create lost clusters, if the file is replaced, while it is mounted.
So you would loose around 400 MB free space, that just could be retrieved back by repairing the filesystem.

Mark

tlchost · #216 Post by **tlchost** » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 01:22

MU wrote:uploaded rc7

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I spent hours, to check remastering.
Still broken: you can not use remastered DVDs for multisession.
After you saved the first session, Puppy hangs at startup at "setting up the layered filesystem". I found no solution yet

I noticed that the system seems to "forget" the preferences for the CD and DVD drives(I have a DVD-RW and a CD-RW). Is it possible that
the reason we can't get the multi-session LiveCD to work as expected is that the system doesn't know which drives are which...and assumes there is no drive so it can't save?

Thom

Sage · #217 Post by **Sage** » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 10:33

Terrific, Mark, thanks!

One show-stopper, however, needing your immediate attention, please: I cannot get the UK keyboard by any means. I set it at boot up, use the locales selection & co, but it seems that the US keyboard has corrupted the UK one??? Subversion? CIA? Frankly we should not offer the US keyboard at all - let them use proper English and pounds sterling (or euros).....

Also:
Cannot get weather applet to run in midi - just gives a website.
Whatever you did to enact SiS shutdown has also changed the behaviour of CTL-ALT-BKSPCE. It now correctly exits to a prompt rather than a total hard shutdown - terrific.

tlchost · #218 Post by **tlchost** » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 11:26

Sage wrote: Frankly we should not offer the US keyboard at all - let them use proper English and pounds sterling (or euros).....

And I'm sure you'd be more than willing and able to fund all the conversion costs?

Sage · #219 Post by **Sage** » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 12:31

Not at all. I planned to nuke any protesters along with all those lacking the humour gene...

#220 Post by MU » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 16:43

Sage, can you please post the content of your /etc/keymap?

If it contains "uk.map", then it should work.
If it does not, you can try to set it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.YOUR_CARD_NAME.

The keyboard line there is commented:

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#	Option	    "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0

You might change it to:

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	Option	    "XkbLayout" "gb" #xkeymap0

But I am not certain, that this works.
Mark

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