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Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10
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MU


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 21:02    Post subject:  

I uploaded release candidate 4.
Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi.
I just used the "Midi" version until now, and did not test yet Micro or Mini.

It uses kernel 2.6.28.5 from wows new unnamed puplet 1.1, and also the new xorg mesa (OpenGL) files and the fixed glib-2.18.2-libgobject-2.0.so.0.1800.2.
Apart from that, it is not based on that new puplet, but still on the first one, simply because I had no time yet to look at the other files in it.

Changes:
- keyboard again uses the old method in .xinitrc (setxkbmap)

- In "init", I modprobe "usbkbd" before (important) "usbhid". Like this also USB keyboards work with the savefileselection. (and so also added usbkbd.ko.gz to initrd.gz)


- added country selection as first dialog.
(/usr/bin/chooselocalenewyearspup, launched from: /etc/rc.d/rc.country)
I started to add the french localized files from:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38371
In the next version, I plan to add spanish and german.
Currently localized (french):
bootmanager, cups_shell, xorgwizard (not xwin), remasterpup2.
They are not well tested, so I hope they have no errors.
I however decided to add them anyway, to force that they get the attention they deserve.
This hopefully will encourage more people to contribute/test translations.

- at first start, you are suggested to reboot before X starts, to create a savefile.
This works around the bug we have with creating savefiles after X started.

- modified /usr/sbin/bootmanager, so that the "ignore" checkbox fo SFS always is deactivated if there is no SFS chosen.
And added /etc/initd/rc.forcesfs.
It will add devx + kernelsource sfs if none is selected in the bootmanager.
This also could be other files, but it must be ANY sfs to avoid, that the list is empty, what would force Puppy to load ALL sfs it finds on your harddisk.
I think this makes sense, as you could get strange effects, if a "wrong" sfs was loaded by Puppys old default behaviour (one created for another version/puplet).


- replaced Ati Catalyst 8.12 with 9.2.

- replaced Nvidia driver 177 with 182.
- removed the "Nvidia 8000" option, as I have read, that driver 182 no longer needs it.
Please report, if this is true.

- updated the older Nvidia drivers too for the new kernel.
I did NOT check the Nvidia drivers myself yet, ran out of time...

- added icon-theme.cache files for iconthemes. They take quite some space, so I am not certain, if they should remain...

- update-desktop-database and update-mime-database are executed at startup (/etc/initd/rc.mime).
This might be refined in future, if people report slowdowns.

NOT looked at yet, as I was too busy with the other points:
- any menu related issues
- sis graficschips
- remaster issues.

Mark

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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 01:02    Post subject:  

Mark,

Sorry, tried to load RC4. After creating a new save file, nice script to do that, and rebooting I could not get a proper driver. Tried xorg force vesa option which worked nicely for RC3, but it failed and locked up with a colorful lined screen. Only way out was to shut system down. So, I've deleted RC4 and reverted back to RC3 which I really like.

I'm running WOW's latest version with no trouble so don't think the new core is the problem.

Will try again tomorrow.
Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 03:02    Post subject:  

Jim,
which version did you try?
Micro, Mini, Midi?
I will check it today.
Mark

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 04:42    Post subject:  

Ok Jim,
I can confirm this:

the MIDI version locks up using the "xorgwizard, force vesa". So also Maxi should be affected.
If you use "xorgwizard", and choose "vesa" there, it works.
The Micro and Mini work correctly.
I quickly checked this in Virtualbox, without creating a savefile.

I will have to investigate at home, what causes this.
As I cannot access Xorg.0.log, this might take a bit, I am not certain, that I can solve it today.

------------
ok, can access the log after running Puppy with the option "puppy pfix=nox".
It starts up ok, but hangs at or after initialyzing the XEVIE extension.
Maybe some Xorg files are incompatibe with the new Ati driver, or my buildsystem copied some old files. I must check that at home.

Mark
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 06:06    Post subject:  

ok Jim, found the error.

You can type:
rm -f /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so

Then the vesa driver works.
I can upload a servicepack or better a rebuilt iso with the new libdri.so this evening.

Mark
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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 10:51    Post subject:  

mini - RC4: still a few little irritants! Default cursor (but now I know how to fix), eth1 (it's Mandriva that shares this feature) and no-shutdown ( I see something about 'acpid' in other boot dmesg - relevant?).
Otherwise, nice, thanks.
Any chance of having weather by default in mini (and bigger ones), please.
PS. ...and Sys Stats (only 500K) as per DSL?

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 11:05    Post subject:  

MUguest wrote:
ok Jim, found the error.

You can type:
rm -f /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so

Then the vesa driver works.
I can upload a servicepack or better a rebuilt iso with the new libdri.so this evening.

Mark


Also, please upload just the file. We can replace it ourselves.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 12:41    Post subject:  

here is a bugfix pet for rc4.
Install it, e.g. by starting X using "xvesa" in xorgwizard.

After installation, exit X and run xorgwizard again.

I uploaded rc5 and removed rc4.
rc5 is like rc4, but has this bugfix included already.


Techtype, concerning the other issues I will have a look for the next release.
I could add the weather (by default deactivated) as a seperate option in the desktop options.

Systat, is it a package of the standard Puppy?

Concerning shutdown, try to boot (from CD) with the bootoption "puppy acpi=force".
If you use grub, add to the line that loads the kernel:
acpi=force

Mark
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 12:51    Post subject:  

Mark,

Sorry that my problem has consumed so much of your time. However, that work was not wasted since it will help other users. I am now running midi RC4. Option 7, ATI catalyst, which failed to work on midi RC3 for my 128MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card is working with RC4.

With RC3, the only option that I could get working was option 2. Xorgwizard, force vesa which is why I tried it first with RC4.

So far, I've tried options 1, 2, and 7 with RC4. The only option that works so far with my card is 7, the ATI catalyst program. So, I'm a happy camper because that probably provides the best driver for my card.
Quote:
EDIT: Opened the ATI Catalyst Control Center and found my driver information. This is the first time for any puppy that I now have the driver that is designed for my card. Thank you.


Are there any reasons other than that bug fix to download RC5? I'll be happy to download it to test your bug fix, if you like.

With the progress that you are continuing to make with New Years Pup, I believe that you are already surpassing Muppy, which is quite an accomplishment, because of the great work that you did to get it working and keep it up-to-date.

Thanks,
Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 13:32    Post subject:  

thanks Jim Smile
no, if rc4 works with the bugfix, you do not need rc5.
There is nothing else in it.

The Java course I take takes quite some power, so I am tired and unconcentrated in the evening at home.
So working on NYP works slow, what is a bit difficult to accept, after I worked fulltime on Muppy.

However with shared power it is doable to work on it (wow, esmourguit, droope and you testers (very important)).
There still are things I would like to change or test, for the "final" release.
No huge changes, just some more reliability and "logic".
Once this is done, more packages, and maybe special versions like one based on KDE or one for games.

My course finishes in 4 weeks, and I found no new job yet.
Due to the crisis, only very few new offers appear, and I will have to create one or 2 reference projects in Java to enhance my chances.
I really had problems to understand Java 10 years ago during my examination, but meanwhile I find it pretty easy.
The experience with object orientated Perl and C/Gtk+ in the last years really gave me a much better understanding of the whole concept Smile

But this also means, that I might have more time again in April, to work every day on NYP, so it is ok Smile

Mark

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Mar 2009, 14:45    Post subject:  

SystemStats: I've mentioned it several times over the years. BK did show a brief interest just before he switched to HardInfo. No idea if there's a .pet - probably not? HI includes some benchmarking options - pretty useless for a compact distro - kiddies stuff for 'dozers. SS is smaller and faster. Get it from DSL.
Yes, we've discussed acpi=force many times and it is indeed what I use, but it's a workaround not a fix. There are plenty of Slack and other distros that DO shutdown correctly, so this constitutes a coding error for Puppy. There must be folks who know the answer why. Not much point in my researching it, though, because I don't understand that end of the biz.
Thanks, anyway, Mark.
Best of luck with the job search. In GB, 35 is now considered the upper limit for employment and to avoid ageist de-selection. Illegal it may be, but how to prove it. No wonder the world's in a mess - too many youthful gits running things. You have to get old to gain experience and these kids must be quaking in their boots in case an older person is employed and all their infantile games are unmasked. In recent eras, Chinese and Soviet leaders didn't get into high office until ~80yrs. Notwithstanding, there's always an exception to the wisdom of sages, viz. Mugabe!
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Mar 2009, 06:26    Post subject:  

Hi Mark
There is something wrong with the nvidia driver, when i get to the wizard and select the 182 driver i get after a whyle a message saying:
module nv does not exist in /proc/modules
module nvidia not found.
Thanks and keep up the good work
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Mar 2009, 07:05    Post subject:  

Hi Mark,
Tried your rc5 MAXI as a frugal install.

Initially I planned to overwrite my existing installation (rc3) on a partition but never got as far as being able to get to the Puppy universal installer due to x server not recognising my card. (Nvidia FX5200 needing the 173 driver).

So started from a reformated empty partition.
Chose pfix=ram
Selected language and keyboard layout then chose NOT to reboot but couldn't get it to recognise my card. Tried nvidia 173, nv and xorgwizard but always got pushed back to "type xorgwizard to setup X"

Okay so reformated the partition again to be clean of any save files and now selected "reboot to create save file."
Also copied pup_411.sfs file across from CD to the partition, as I usually do.

After it had made a save file it rebooted but this time I didn't do pfix=ram so got the choice of which save file to use and selected the newly made one.

Selected 173 graphics driver
Got message "x seems to have exited uncleanly".
Anyway typed xwin at # prompt and got "type xorgwizard"

"Select graficsdriver" screen appeared.
Selected xorgwizard this time and got "Puppy Video Wizard" screen.
Selected xorg then got "if x failed to start, type xorgwizard to setup x "

This time tried to force nv.
Got black screen.

Sadly after all we went through to get this FX5200 card working in rc3 (many thanks) it now seems to be broken again. Or am I doing something wrong?

Your help as ever would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Mar 2009, 10:27    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
I uploaded release candidate 4.
Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi.
NOT looked at yet, as I was too busy with the other points:
- any menu related issues
- sis graficschips
- remaster issues.

Mark


I tried the Maxi......it "appears" that you can save to the Live-CD 4 times.....being bold, I remastered it...and discovered that the remastered version simply will not save a session.

Could it be that the pet you created of the Dougal remaster is bad?

So....I thought I would go back to creating a bootable USB version....and then discovered that the CUPS in this version has changed, and no longer supports a USB printer.

Thom
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Mar 2009, 11:43    Post subject:  

for the nvidia users:
please try, if this works:

Choose one of the nvidia drivers.
Then when X fails to start, type:
depmod -a
xwin


If that fixes it, I must add a line for the nvidia module to modules.dep.

Thom,
I did not replace cups, just cups_shell, the first dialog that pops up.
So I think your USB-problem might be related to the kernel.
Please type:
lsmod | grep usb

You should get such a result:
Code:
# lsmod | grep usb
usbhid                 29268  1 hid_bright
usb_storage            81288  14
usbkbd                  6144  0
usbcore               117852  7 uhci_hcd,usbhid,usb_storage,usbkbd,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd



If these modules are not listed, try to load them:
modprobe ehci_hcd
modprobe ohci_hcd
modprobe uhci_hcd


The remaster-script is a new localized version.
You might try to use the one from an older NYP (/usr/sbin/remasterpup2)

Mark

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