Woof Alpha2

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Woof Alpha2

#1 Post by Lobster »

:) OK Barry has released as well as the development system
a ready made Alpha ISO (Slackware mode)

follow progress here
http://www.puppylinux.com/blog/


The live-CD and 'devx' are here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... of-alpha2/

new package manager:
http://puppylinux.com/woof/ppm.htm

The Woof alpha2 tarball is here:
http://puppylinux.com/test/woof-alpha2/

Now back to trying to install compiz in this new system . . . :)
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#2 Post by Lobster »

I am running the Slackware ready made live CD ISO

:) OK it is pretty bonkers to 'test' a difficult package
but why not

So I started with Compiz - the compiz part seemed to be installing OK
But I also needed my nvidia driver
Would the driver need recompiling with the woof devxx?
It seems so as it is not taking.

The package management system is well stocked.
Maybe I should try something easy :)

Update - the Nvidia config is there but the driver is not loading

Tried Xfce - was not running - but mousepad the xfce editor is running from the Puppy interface, Thunar did not load but was there and the Xfce package manager . . .
tried fluxbox - nope

OK gonna have to try a simple program . . . so many to choose from . . .
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#3 Post by BarryK »

Yes, there are going to be some packages that might not work properly as-is in Puppy.

I have been contemplating a user feedback mechanism that can auomatically blacklist a certain package on a certain repo, or modify it's dependency list. This could be automatically added online somewhere for the Puppy Package Manager to read.

...this is dreaming, I don't know how to do such a thing (yet).
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#4 Post by Lobster »

Always good to dream Barry . . .
:)
The Slackware version compiled from Alpha 1 has moved on.
Just noticed the FullerScreen slide presenter (under graphics)
- that has a LOT of potential uses
Would it be easy to install in Deep Thought?

Will Woof Beta or later version be based on Deep Thought?

I notice people are already clamouring for a Woof Ubuntu . . . :)

What I can say is the packages downloaded OK
There are more available than in Alpha 1

Woof is already generating a lot of well deserved interest . . .
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#5 Post by tronkel »

I just had a go at building a Woof Ubuntu.

Had big problems with downloading the packages - many were missing - After trying the2createpackages script and getting many errors, I ran out of patience eventually.

I then downloaded the sPup iso.

It booted ok and runs well. The CUPS daemon wouldn't start though, so I couldn't try out printing.
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#6 Post by Lobster »

Had big problems with downloading the packages - many were missing
Jack
I am not sure if Barry fixed this - he did mention effort
was required for this situation . . .
In Alpha 1 I ran the download part 10 times (it kept picking up more packages) Eventually I hoped that was enough to compile the Slackware Puppy - it was . . .

talking of Slackware
has this been suggested /
any use?
http://slackfind.net/en/


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#7 Post by esmourguit »

Bonjour,
About a possible new name for Puppy Packages Manager
I would like to submit PAPI (Puppy All packages Installer). ;)
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More Puppy Package Manager names

#8 Post by dogone »

Several more candidate names:

PUPS (Puppy Universal Packaging [Package] System)
PAL (Puppy Applications Library)
PUDDLE (Puppy Universal Distribution Download and Logistics Engine) :wink:
PACX (Puppy Application Control for X)
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#9 Post by Artie »

Downloaded today md5 ok but can't get past the Puppy Video Wizard. Using 1024x768x24 works fine in 4.1.2 here the screen simply goes black and everything dies out. CD tray works nothing else.

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Re: More Puppy Package Manager names

#10 Post by Lobster »

dogone wrote: PAL (Puppy Applications Library)
Image

PAL is already in semi use :)

My suggestion is PS (Puppy Software)
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#11 Post by esmourguit »

Bonjour,
My vote for PUPS (Puppy Universal Packaging System) by Dogone.
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#12 Post by 8-bit »

For those of you that downloaded spup_devx_011.sfs and cannot get the md5 checksum to work, just edit the path in the md5.txt file for it.
It seems the path shows the file as being in a subdirectory called sandbox.
I removed that and md5sum completed ok.

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#13 Post by tronkel »

OK, a much better result this time - but with dPup (Debian) . Here's the saga:

Lobster wrote:
In Alpha 1 I ran the download part 10 times (it kept picking up more packages) Eventually I hoped that was enough to compile the Slackware Puppy - it was . .
I started the download script which seemed to terminate early, before it had managed to access and download all of the necessary packages. On starting the 2createpackages script errors were appearing to the effect that it could not find the various packages. I then found several of them via Google and copied them to the deb_packages-2 folder. At that point, I ran out of patience.

Then I remembered Loster's advice about downloading several times until the packages were correctly accessed and downloaded.

The second attempt appeared to be much more successful with the 2createpackages script unable to find only one missing package - xorg-common.

Google could find no trace of this package, but it kept coming up with x11-common instead. So I downloaded this, renamed it to xorg-common and copied it as before, after which the 2createpackages script seemed to terminate with no errors. The download from the Debian servers by the way seem much faster and more reliable than the Ubuntu servers - so that must have helped. (see above abortive attempt with Ubuntu).

The ISO was then built with the later kernel without problems.

Aha, so lets have a try and see if it works.

This is the first ever base Puppy version that has ever been able to configure xorg to recognise the ATI Radeon 3450 video card that's in the PC.

The cups daemon starts on this version, but there are still problems. I can't see the printer on the USB port in CUPS and will not accept a current root password either. So CUPS is still a no go.

Neither Abiword nor Gnumeric would start due to missing libraries.

This version has a great turn of speed as well, so for me it's a keeper! I like the looks as well.

The problems I daresay will be eliminated over time. It sure is on the right track though. 8) :D

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New package manager UI

#14 Post by dogone »

I suspect the seed is already in the ground, but the current package manager user interface needs a makeover. Something much more Synaptic-like is called for now that our PM is in the big leagues. New users (and reviewers) will likely pan the current GUI. No slam intended. It's just that the "Woof" concept has raised the bar. It's time to take the next step with excellence. I'm SURE we can find some talented GUI mavens somewhere :wink:

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#15 Post by big_bass »

I m doing this on a four Gig USB flash
so I have to juggle a few things around

1) can you confirm the total package count
for packages-pet (I have 230)

2.)can you confirm the total package count for
packages-tgz (I have 353)

what could be used to tail the progress ?
or a packages.txt to compare to

I was doing some work around
the house while it was downloading
so when I came back I wanted to verify
the download


I have built with unleashed countless times since puppy 2.13
and you could download all packages with gftp
and confirm if you had all or not

here is a list of what I downloaded
is it all there ?

I added the md5sums also

Updated with my package list
sorry ,if I overlooked something

thanks in advance
will report my findings

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Barry's spup-011 iso very fast

#16 Post by dogone »

X in Barry's alpha 2 iso is VERY FAST on my desktop hardware. It's noticeably faster than my alpha 1 spup build and 4.1.2. Is anyone else seeing a speed gain?
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#17 Post by technosaurus »

has anyone tried using apt to get their packages for debian/Ubuntu? When I used to use .deb based systems, I would use the <10mb minimal cd and apt to download a set of programs, which would automatically download the dependencies and store a copy of all the packages in cache (I think this had to be set)
Then I copied these to my boxes that had no net access and installed them..... instead you could use this method to get your packages for woof
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#18 Post by BarryK »

Okay, it looks like I need to do some work on the downloader script, so that it checks that everything has properly downloaded.

Interesting though, I went through the entire exercise for Slack Puppy, from '0setup' onward, and all Slackware packages downloaded. I did this just before releasing alpha2. But I'm at my relatives place who has super fast "naked-adsl", so maybe that helps -- maybe the timeouts I have set when wget probes for availability of a package in '1download' need to be increased.

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I notice people are already clamouring for a Woof Ubuntu . . . Smile
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#19 Post by dinky »

Hi Barry, I love the woof script you're writing, however I want to be able to strip back the original packages further, not install some of the apps and install others in their place. Much like a build from unleashed. I'm assuming at some point you'll automate this more so it's similar, but until you do, can you tell me which scripts I need to hack to add/remove packages from the build? Thanks.

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#20 Post by ttuuxxx »

BarryK wrote:
Yes, "Intrepid Puppy" is now available. Already at alpha 2.1:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00582
Hi Barry I just have a few quick questions about this alpha 2.1
Does it have the same Wireless and monitor support as puppy say 4 Series? If so then this alpha could actually be a project base, similar to what we did with 4.2. Thanks for your insight and dedicated work.
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