Hellos MU,
I was able to check and install on my Compaq CQ60 today, the ath5k for the odd Atheros 5007 (or whatever shady chipset Compaq put into it) works perfectly making this the most advanced puppy that works with the laptop. (and one of the 2 that ever booted on it lol)
I still have issues with the application chooser, it will not let me choose a default app when clicking a music stream or torrent in firefox. It kinda locks up. Guess i will have to set them apps in the Firefox settings myself but would be elegant if it let me choose an app to use on the fly and save the setting up of default apps this way.
This is what i got running atm on both machines:
- smp
- cpu scaling (powernow-k8)
- Nvidia (chipsets 7600GT fanless mainpc, 8200m on laptop)
- Networking (on the laptop, ath5k driver)
- Beryl/Compiz on both
What i still need to figure out and find:
- Corresponding devx package and get a compiling system
up so i can port some apps i can't live without from arch and/or AUR and convert the tar.gz's to puppy pet format. Prolly wise to look into the woof alpha code for this purpose.
I am not a dev by any means (i scrible some in gambas 2 usually) but i might be able to put something together to automate the AUR --> .pet thing.
Great to hear that you work on these bug fixes, will try the new version when its up for DL. Great job!!
Greetz
Caved
Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10
devx to compile applications:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... 4.4-r1.sfs
Kernel source sfs to compile kernelmodules (for newyearspup until version 02rc3):
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... 2-2008.sfs
Additional sfs especially made for newyearspup02 can be found here in the "addons" folders:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2009-01-to-06/Newyearspup02/
These here are a bit outdated (were made for the first release), but most should work:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... ons-by-MU/
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... -by-MU-02/
Most of these are already part as updated versions in the Midi/Maxi version of newyearspup02.
Once the final version of 02 is released, I'll add more updated sfs files to the "Newyearspup02" folder.
Password for all is:
user: puppy
password: linux
Mark
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... 4.4-r1.sfs
Kernel source sfs to compile kernelmodules (for newyearspup until version 02rc3):
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... 2-2008.sfs
Additional sfs especially made for newyearspup02 can be found here in the "addons" folders:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2009-01-to-06/Newyearspup02/
These here are a bit outdated (were made for the first release), but most should work:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... ons-by-MU/
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12 ... -by-MU-02/
Most of these are already part as updated versions in the Midi/Maxi version of newyearspup02.
Once the final version of 02 is released, I'll add more updated sfs files to the "Newyearspup02" folder.
Password for all is:
user: puppy
password: linux
Mark
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AUR, is that a slackware based distro, Austrumi?
You then can use "tgz2pet" to convert their packages.
Note: this method is not usable with "source" tar.gz files, only with binary packages from Slackware compatible systems!
Or extract a tgz to a temporary folder (e.g. using the "unzip" button in Muppyfiler).
This usually creates 3 folders:
etc
install
usr
Then copy "doinst.sh" from "install" one folder up, and execute it.
In Muppy-filer, click on the "shell" button, to open a console in the current folder.
Then type:
bash doinst.sh
It usually generates some required symbolic links.
Now copy "etc" and "usr" to a new folder like "the-application".
Then run:
dir2pet the-application
to create the pet.
Or
dir2sfs the-application
to create a SFS file for large applications.
In Muppy I had converted dozends of Slackware packages like this.
The advantage of this approach is, that you can modify files in the new folders to your needs, e.g. add missing libraries, add startscripts or do whatever you need as customization.
Mark
You then can use "tgz2pet" to convert their packages.
Note: this method is not usable with "source" tar.gz files, only with binary packages from Slackware compatible systems!
Or extract a tgz to a temporary folder (e.g. using the "unzip" button in Muppyfiler).
This usually creates 3 folders:
etc
install
usr
Then copy "doinst.sh" from "install" one folder up, and execute it.
In Muppy-filer, click on the "shell" button, to open a console in the current folder.
Then type:
bash doinst.sh
It usually generates some required symbolic links.
Now copy "etc" and "usr" to a new folder like "the-application".
Then run:
dir2pet the-application
to create the pet.
Or
dir2sfs the-application
to create a SFS file for large applications.
In Muppy I had converted dozends of Slackware packages like this.
The advantage of this approach is, that you can modify files in the new folders to your needs, e.g. add missing libraries, add startscripts or do whatever you need as customization.
Mark
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Thanks MU, for all the info here, this should set me back a week or so hehe goto dig into this 
AUR ? no thats a community driver Arch Linux repository.
They work with build scripts (PKGBUILD) and a tool called ABS to create Archlinux compatible/installable packages tar.gz which are in turn then installable with their pacman package utility.
My ideas about that really have nothing to do with this thread though
thanks again for the links and all the help ...
greetz
Caved
AUR ? no thats a community driver Arch Linux repository.
They work with build scripts (PKGBUILD) and a tool called ABS to create Archlinux compatible/installable packages tar.gz which are in turn then installable with their pacman package utility.
My ideas about that really have nothing to do with this thread though
thanks again for the links and all the help ...
greetz
Caved
the Nvidia drivers also compile fine with this kernel.
My tweaks to xorgwizard could not fix the problem creating the savefile.
So I now add an option that suggests to reboot before X starts the first time, to create a savefile first.
I also started to add a "language chooser" in textmode, before the other wizards run (like chooselocale).
I then got a visit, so was interrupted.
So I will continue/finish/upload rc4 next weekend.
Mark
My tweaks to xorgwizard could not fix the problem creating the savefile.
So I now add an option that suggests to reboot before X starts the first time, to create a savefile first.
I also started to add a "language chooser" in textmode, before the other wizards run (like chooselocale).
I then got a visit, so was interrupted.
So I will continue/finish/upload rc4 next weekend.
Mark
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Running Compiz on Intel 945GM ?
Hi,
I am now trying Newyearspup on top of my DELL D620 that has an Intel 945GM chipset graphics card within. The xwindow started without problem but only Compiz cannot function properly. Hence I have a few question:-
1) Can someone please give a hint or pointer on how to get Compiz running on this graphic chipset ?
2) I read that there is a plugin or utility that can configure the compiz (known as compiz wizard) which can modifying the xorg.config. Is that utility within this distribution ?
PS: Previously I had tried Ripple and everything went fine.
Thanks.
As for feedback; I think there are too many redundant utilities within the same distribution (like web browsers, file managers or text editors). Since we can't simply uninstall it, would it be better if there are pets made available and categorized properly so that we can pick which one we like and customize it accordingly ?
Sorry for posting such noob questions, it's just part of the learning curve - I hope you guys don't mind.
Thanks
I am now trying Newyearspup on top of my DELL D620 that has an Intel 945GM chipset graphics card within. The xwindow started without problem but only Compiz cannot function properly. Hence I have a few question:-
1) Can someone please give a hint or pointer on how to get Compiz running on this graphic chipset ?
2) I read that there is a plugin or utility that can configure the compiz (known as compiz wizard) which can modifying the xorg.config. Is that utility within this distribution ?
PS: Previously I had tried Ripple and everything went fine.
Thanks.
As for feedback; I think there are too many redundant utilities within the same distribution (like web browsers, file managers or text editors). Since we can't simply uninstall it, would it be better if there are pets made available and categorized properly so that we can pick which one we like and customize it accordingly ?
Sorry for posting such noob questions, it's just part of the learning curve - I hope you guys don't mind.
Thanks
Mousey,
you may type:
compiz-manager
It also is in the "preferences" menu (compiz-config).
I just don't know if it is the program you mean.
Concerning pets:
I plan to upload more files once I have the "final" version.
They shall enable you, to upgrade the "Micro" version to "Maxi" using pets or sfs, with only the files you want.
So you could add compiz and nvidia drivers, but leave out firefox.
This however requires some knowledge (or a description) about what file depends on which other one.
I did not create them yet, because there currently are too often changes in new releases, so this must wait for "final".
---------
intel chips:
I have no experience, I just have read, that they currently have massive changes in each new Xorg release.
One thing you could try is to use the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from a Puplet where compiz works fine.
If that does not help, it must be a driver issue, hard to solve without such a card.
You might attach your zipped /var/log/Xorg.0.log, maybe someone finds a hint in it.
Mark
you may type:
compiz-manager
It also is in the "preferences" menu (compiz-config).
I just don't know if it is the program you mean.
Concerning pets:
I plan to upload more files once I have the "final" version.
They shall enable you, to upgrade the "Micro" version to "Maxi" using pets or sfs, with only the files you want.
So you could add compiz and nvidia drivers, but leave out firefox.
This however requires some knowledge (or a description) about what file depends on which other one.
I did not create them yet, because there currently are too often changes in new releases, so this must wait for "final".
---------
intel chips:
I have no experience, I just have read, that they currently have massive changes in each new Xorg release.
One thing you could try is to use the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from a Puplet where compiz works fine.
If that does not help, it must be a driver issue, hard to solve without such a card.
You might attach your zipped /var/log/Xorg.0.log, maybe someone finds a hint in it.
Mark
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Hi MU,
Thanks for the quick reply.
Anyway I guess here's my problem
"(EE) intel(0): [dri] I830CheckDRIAvailable failed because of a version mismatch.
[dri] libDRI version is 5.0.0 but version 5.4.x is needed."
I need to investigate more over the drivers and see how can I overcome this problem. This notebook is still an initial test, there is another desktop DELL Optiplex 755 in the office waiting for me as well. Thanks and looking forward for your next release.
James
Thanks for the quick reply.
Anyway I guess here's my problem
"(EE) intel(0): [dri] I830CheckDRIAvailable failed because of a version mismatch.
[dri] libDRI version is 5.0.0 but version 5.4.x is needed."
I need to investigate more over the drivers and see how can I overcome this problem. This notebook is still an initial test, there is another desktop DELL Optiplex 755 in the office waiting for me as well. Thanks and looking forward for your next release.
James
Hi again,
No luck, I spent one whole Saturday trying to upgrade the Intel gfx drivers but it seems like none of methods I had found would solve the DRI problems. Seems like I can't get the full capabilities of CF to work, I shall wait a bit for the next release and see how it goes now.
Some Feedbacks: I had also checked; Ripple was running on a previous version of X Server (v1.3 versus v1.5.2), hence the Intel drivers had worked flawlessly. I'd was thinking of dumping the whole X drivers over to make it work but I think it's too cumbersome and not worth it - as I foresee there would be new releases of NYP and upgrading would be a pain.
James
No luck, I spent one whole Saturday trying to upgrade the Intel gfx drivers but it seems like none of methods I had found would solve the DRI problems. Seems like I can't get the full capabilities of CF to work, I shall wait a bit for the next release and see how it goes now.
Some Feedbacks: I had also checked; Ripple was running on a previous version of X Server (v1.3 versus v1.5.2), hence the Intel drivers had worked flawlessly. I'd was thinking of dumping the whole X drivers over to make it work but I think it's too cumbersome and not worth it - as I foresee there would be new releases of NYP and upgrading would be a pain.
James
I uploaded release candidate 4.
Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi.
I just used the "Midi" version until now, and did not test yet Micro or Mini.
It uses kernel 2.6.28.5 from wows new unnamed puplet 1.1, and also the new xorg mesa (OpenGL) files and the fixed glib-2.18.2-libgobject-2.0.so.0.1800.2.
Apart from that, it is not based on that new puplet, but still on the first one, simply because I had no time yet to look at the other files in it.
Changes:
- keyboard again uses the old method in .xinitrc (setxkbmap)
- In "init", I modprobe "usbkbd" before (important) "usbhid". Like this also USB keyboards work with the savefileselection. (and so also added usbkbd.ko.gz to initrd.gz)
- added country selection as first dialog.
(/usr/bin/chooselocalenewyearspup, launched from: /etc/rc.d/rc.country)
I started to add the french localized files from:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38371
In the next version, I plan to add spanish and german.
Currently localized (french):
bootmanager, cups_shell, xorgwizard (not xwin), remasterpup2.
They are not well tested, so I hope they have no errors.
I however decided to add them anyway, to force that they get the attention they deserve.
This hopefully will encourage more people to contribute/test translations.
- at first start, you are suggested to reboot before X starts, to create a savefile.
This works around the bug we have with creating savefiles after X started.
- modified /usr/sbin/bootmanager, so that the "ignore" checkbox fo SFS always is deactivated if there is no SFS chosen.
And added /etc/initd/rc.forcesfs.
It will add devx + kernelsource sfs if none is selected in the bootmanager.
This also could be other files, but it must be ANY sfs to avoid, that the list is empty, what would force Puppy to load ALL sfs it finds on your harddisk.
I think this makes sense, as you could get strange effects, if a "wrong" sfs was loaded by Puppys old default behaviour (one created for another version/puplet).
- replaced Ati Catalyst 8.12 with 9.2.
- replaced Nvidia driver 177 with 182.
- removed the "Nvidia 8000" option, as I have read, that driver 182 no longer needs it.
Please report, if this is true.
- updated the older Nvidia drivers too for the new kernel.
I did NOT check the Nvidia drivers myself yet, ran out of time...
- added icon-theme.cache files for iconthemes. They take quite some space, so I am not certain, if they should remain...
- update-desktop-database and update-mime-database are executed at startup (/etc/initd/rc.mime).
This might be refined in future, if people report slowdowns.
NOT looked at yet, as I was too busy with the other points:
- any menu related issues
- sis graficschips
- remaster issues.
Mark
Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi.
I just used the "Midi" version until now, and did not test yet Micro or Mini.
It uses kernel 2.6.28.5 from wows new unnamed puplet 1.1, and also the new xorg mesa (OpenGL) files and the fixed glib-2.18.2-libgobject-2.0.so.0.1800.2.
Apart from that, it is not based on that new puplet, but still on the first one, simply because I had no time yet to look at the other files in it.
Changes:
- keyboard again uses the old method in .xinitrc (setxkbmap)
- In "init", I modprobe "usbkbd" before (important) "usbhid". Like this also USB keyboards work with the savefileselection. (and so also added usbkbd.ko.gz to initrd.gz)
- added country selection as first dialog.
(/usr/bin/chooselocalenewyearspup, launched from: /etc/rc.d/rc.country)
I started to add the french localized files from:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38371
In the next version, I plan to add spanish and german.
Currently localized (french):
bootmanager, cups_shell, xorgwizard (not xwin), remasterpup2.
They are not well tested, so I hope they have no errors.
I however decided to add them anyway, to force that they get the attention they deserve.
This hopefully will encourage more people to contribute/test translations.
- at first start, you are suggested to reboot before X starts, to create a savefile.
This works around the bug we have with creating savefiles after X started.
- modified /usr/sbin/bootmanager, so that the "ignore" checkbox fo SFS always is deactivated if there is no SFS chosen.
And added /etc/initd/rc.forcesfs.
It will add devx + kernelsource sfs if none is selected in the bootmanager.
This also could be other files, but it must be ANY sfs to avoid, that the list is empty, what would force Puppy to load ALL sfs it finds on your harddisk.
I think this makes sense, as you could get strange effects, if a "wrong" sfs was loaded by Puppys old default behaviour (one created for another version/puplet).
- replaced Ati Catalyst 8.12 with 9.2.
- replaced Nvidia driver 177 with 182.
- removed the "Nvidia 8000" option, as I have read, that driver 182 no longer needs it.
Please report, if this is true.
- updated the older Nvidia drivers too for the new kernel.
I did NOT check the Nvidia drivers myself yet, ran out of time...
- added icon-theme.cache files for iconthemes. They take quite some space, so I am not certain, if they should remain...
- update-desktop-database and update-mime-database are executed at startup (/etc/initd/rc.mime).
This might be refined in future, if people report slowdowns.
NOT looked at yet, as I was too busy with the other points:
- any menu related issues
- sis graficschips
- remaster issues.
Mark
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Mark,
Sorry, tried to load RC4. After creating a new save file, nice script to do that, and rebooting I could not get a proper driver. Tried xorg force vesa option which worked nicely for RC3, but it failed and locked up with a colorful lined screen. Only way out was to shut system down. So, I've deleted RC4 and reverted back to RC3 which I really like.
I'm running WOW's latest version with no trouble so don't think the new core is the problem.
Will try again tomorrow.
Jim
Sorry, tried to load RC4. After creating a new save file, nice script to do that, and rebooting I could not get a proper driver. Tried xorg force vesa option which worked nicely for RC3, but it failed and locked up with a colorful lined screen. Only way out was to shut system down. So, I've deleted RC4 and reverted back to RC3 which I really like.
I'm running WOW's latest version with no trouble so don't think the new core is the problem.
Will try again tomorrow.
Jim
Ok Jim,
I can confirm this:
the MIDI version locks up using the "xorgwizard, force vesa". So also Maxi should be affected.
If you use "xorgwizard", and choose "vesa" there, it works.
The Micro and Mini work correctly.
I quickly checked this in Virtualbox, without creating a savefile.
I will have to investigate at home, what causes this.
As I cannot access Xorg.0.log, this might take a bit, I am not certain, that I can solve it today.
------------
ok, can access the log after running Puppy with the option "puppy pfix=nox".
It starts up ok, but hangs at or after initialyzing the XEVIE extension.
Maybe some Xorg files are incompatibe with the new Ati driver, or my buildsystem copied some old files. I must check that at home.
Mark
I can confirm this:
the MIDI version locks up using the "xorgwizard, force vesa". So also Maxi should be affected.
If you use "xorgwizard", and choose "vesa" there, it works.
The Micro and Mini work correctly.
I quickly checked this in Virtualbox, without creating a savefile.
I will have to investigate at home, what causes this.
As I cannot access Xorg.0.log, this might take a bit, I am not certain, that I can solve it today.
------------
ok, can access the log after running Puppy with the option "puppy pfix=nox".
It starts up ok, but hangs at or after initialyzing the XEVIE extension.
Maybe some Xorg files are incompatibe with the new Ati driver, or my buildsystem copied some old files. I must check that at home.
Mark
mini - RC4: still a few little irritants! Default cursor (but now I know how to fix), eth1 (it's Mandriva that shares this feature) and no-shutdown ( I see something about 'acpid' in other boot dmesg - relevant?).
Otherwise, nice, thanks.
Any chance of having weather by default in mini (and bigger ones), please.
PS. ...and Sys Stats (only 500K) as per DSL?
Otherwise, nice, thanks.
Any chance of having weather by default in mini (and bigger ones), please.
PS. ...and Sys Stats (only 500K) as per DSL?
Last edited by Sage on Mon 02 Mar 2009, 15:08, edited 1 time in total.
here is a bugfix pet for rc4.
Install it, e.g. by starting X using "xvesa" in xorgwizard.
After installation, exit X and run xorgwizard again.
I uploaded rc5 and removed rc4.
rc5 is like rc4, but has this bugfix included already.
Techtype, concerning the other issues I will have a look for the next release.
I could add the weather (by default deactivated) as a seperate option in the desktop options.
Systat, is it a package of the standard Puppy?
Concerning shutdown, try to boot (from CD) with the bootoption "puppy acpi=force".
If you use grub, add to the line that loads the kernel:
acpi=force
Mark
Install it, e.g. by starting X using "xvesa" in xorgwizard.
After installation, exit X and run xorgwizard again.
I uploaded rc5 and removed rc4.
rc5 is like rc4, but has this bugfix included already.
Techtype, concerning the other issues I will have a look for the next release.
I could add the weather (by default deactivated) as a seperate option in the desktop options.
Systat, is it a package of the standard Puppy?
Concerning shutdown, try to boot (from CD) with the bootoption "puppy acpi=force".
If you use grub, add to the line that loads the kernel:
acpi=force
Mark
Last edited by MU on Mon 02 Mar 2009, 19:24, edited 2 times in total.
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Mark,
Sorry that my problem has consumed so much of your time. However, that work was not wasted since it will help other users. I am now running midi RC4. Option 7, ATI catalyst, which failed to work on midi RC3 for my 128MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card is working with RC4.
With RC3, the only option that I could get working was option 2. Xorgwizard, force vesa which is why I tried it first with RC4.
So far, I've tried options 1, 2, and 7 with RC4. The only option that works so far with my card is 7, the ATI catalyst program. So, I'm a happy camper because that probably provides the best driver for my card.
With the progress that you are continuing to make with New Years Pup, I believe that you are already surpassing Muppy, which is quite an accomplishment, because of the great work that you did to get it working and keep it up-to-date.
Thanks,
Jim
Sorry that my problem has consumed so much of your time. However, that work was not wasted since it will help other users. I am now running midi RC4. Option 7, ATI catalyst, which failed to work on midi RC3 for my 128MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card is working with RC4.
With RC3, the only option that I could get working was option 2. Xorgwizard, force vesa which is why I tried it first with RC4.
So far, I've tried options 1, 2, and 7 with RC4. The only option that works so far with my card is 7, the ATI catalyst program. So, I'm a happy camper because that probably provides the best driver for my card.
Are there any reasons other than that bug fix to download RC5? I'll be happy to download it to test your bug fix, if you like.EDIT: Opened the ATI Catalyst Control Center and found my driver information. This is the first time for any puppy that I now have the driver that is designed for my card. Thank you.
With the progress that you are continuing to make with New Years Pup, I believe that you are already surpassing Muppy, which is quite an accomplishment, because of the great work that you did to get it working and keep it up-to-date.
Thanks,
Jim
thanks Jim 
no, if rc4 works with the bugfix, you do not need rc5.
There is nothing else in it.
The Java course I take takes quite some power, so I am tired and unconcentrated in the evening at home.
So working on NYP works slow, what is a bit difficult to accept, after I worked fulltime on Muppy.
However with shared power it is doable to work on it (wow, esmourguit, droope and you testers (very important)).
There still are things I would like to change or test, for the "final" release.
No huge changes, just some more reliability and "logic".
Once this is done, more packages, and maybe special versions like one based on KDE or one for games.
My course finishes in 4 weeks, and I found no new job yet.
Due to the crisis, only very few new offers appear, and I will have to create one or 2 reference projects in Java to enhance my chances.
I really had problems to understand Java 10 years ago during my examination, but meanwhile I find it pretty easy.
The experience with object orientated Perl and C/Gtk+ in the last years really gave me a much better understanding of the whole concept
But this also means, that I might have more time again in April, to work every day on NYP, so it is ok
Mark
no, if rc4 works with the bugfix, you do not need rc5.
There is nothing else in it.
The Java course I take takes quite some power, so I am tired and unconcentrated in the evening at home.
So working on NYP works slow, what is a bit difficult to accept, after I worked fulltime on Muppy.
However with shared power it is doable to work on it (wow, esmourguit, droope and you testers (very important)).
There still are things I would like to change or test, for the "final" release.
No huge changes, just some more reliability and "logic".
Once this is done, more packages, and maybe special versions like one based on KDE or one for games.
My course finishes in 4 weeks, and I found no new job yet.
Due to the crisis, only very few new offers appear, and I will have to create one or 2 reference projects in Java to enhance my chances.
I really had problems to understand Java 10 years ago during my examination, but meanwhile I find it pretty easy.
The experience with object orientated Perl and C/Gtk+ in the last years really gave me a much better understanding of the whole concept
But this also means, that I might have more time again in April, to work every day on NYP, so it is ok
Mark
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