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Test Pup 1.0.7alpha released
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Leon

Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2005, 23:07    Post subject:  

Congratulations and thanks for Xorgwizard. It's nice and user friendly.

Here are some remarks about my experience with Puppy 1.0.7a.

1. Unfortunately a wheel of my Logitech USB wheel mouse don't work in Xorg mode. Don't had any problem with it since my first Puppy, I think it was Puppy 1.0.3. Fortunately it works fine in Xvesa mode.

2. When I click Stop button in Roaring Penguin PPPoE ADSL window to stop connection, X exits to prompt. It s not a bug but it's annoying.

3. Menu fonts in some applications are not clear enough on my 15" LCD at 1024x768 dpi. I attached a screenshot from unmodified Puppy 1.0.7a in Xorg mode.

I described how to set nice font display in Puppy at:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=4437

In Puppy 1.0.7a I made this changes:

- Switched to Xvesa mode.

- Copied libfreetype.so.6.3.8 to /usr/lib/.

- In Rxvt made symlinks:
Code:
cd /usr/lib
ln -fs libfreetype.so.6.3.8 libfreetype.so.6
ln -fs libfreetype.so.6.3.8 libfreetype.so


- Replaced /etc/fonts/local.conf with modified local.conf.

You can see results on a screenshot attached to my post at http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=4437 and compare them with screenshot from default fonts in unmodified Puppy 1.0.7a in Xorg mode attached to this post.

When I was typing in AbiWord I also noticed that libfreetype.so.6.3.8 is not compatible with Puppy 1.0.7a in Xorg mode. Some characters simply disappeared.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2005, 23:28    Post subject:  

Quote:
When I was typing in AbiWord I also noticed that libfreetype.so.6.3.8 is not compatible with Puppy 1.0.7a in Xorg mode. Some characters simply disappeared.


Leon,
It's a good thing I was cautious and decided to stay with the libfreetype that came with Xorg.
Unfortunately, it also means that I won't be able to, at least not right now, change to 6.3.8 with the enhanced rendering.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2005, 23:33    Post subject:  

Quote:
1. Unfortunately a wheel of my Logitech USB wheel mouse don't work in Xorg mode. Don't had any problem with it since my first Puppy, I think it was Puppy 1.0.3. Fortunately it works fine in Xvesa mode.

"a wheel" ...does it have more than one wheel? what do they do?

Quote:
2. When I click Stop button in Roaring Penguin PPPoE ADSL window to stop connection, X exits to prompt. It s not a bug but it's annoying.

There is a new version of Roaring Penguin.
I forgot to put it into 1.0.7alpha, but will do for the next release.
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MU


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 04:47    Post subject:  

I think wheels are treated as buttons in x.org.

Search /etc/X11/xorg.conf for
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

in
Section "InputDevice"

Try higher values, I think "5" represents a 3-button-wheelmouse.

Mark
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 05:59    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
I think wheels are treated as buttons in x.org.

Search /etc/X11/xorg.conf for
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

in
Section "InputDevice"

Try higher values, I think "5" represents a 3-button-wheelmouse.

Mark


Yeah, when 1.0.7alpha is booted the first time and it asks you if you have a wheel mouse and you answer yes, the Wizard is supposed to uncomment that line "Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"" in xorg.conf ...hmm, maybe I better check that that is working.

Also the Mouse/Keyboard Wizard will do that, that is, comment-out or comment-in that line.

Ah, I just looked at my own xorg.conf. I ansered yes to the wheel mouse question, and that line is uncommented, so that much at least is working.

So Leon, we get back to MU's point about whether that "4 5" is right for your mouse.
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kethd

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Location: Boston MA USA

PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 09:52    Post subject: FRAMEBUFFER!  

It is very exciting to learn of the upgrade to Xorg, and possible improved FrameBuffer support! This has been the biggest issue for me so far in terms of trying to get cozy with Puppy. All of my early efforts failed, and I had to step back and take it much more slowly, hoping to finally understand Puppy well enough to get it to work.

Us newbies with Dell Latitude CP/CPi laptops with NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chips need "out-of-the-box" FrameBuffer support, to have good early experiences with Puppy.

(I am sorry to just be discovering Barry's interesting pre-Puppy legacy material on goosee.com just as it is being taken down. Some is preserved on archive.org, but far from easy to browse.)

So, I guess I'll need to either slog through the snowstorm we are in the middle of here in the US NE to the library to try to get the iso download, or try to get it tonight -- how many hours at 28.8kbps?
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pakt


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 15:17    Post subject: Re: FRAMEBUFFER!  

kethd wrote:

Us newbies with Dell Latitude CP/CPi laptops with NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chips need "out-of-the-box" FrameBuffer support, to have good early experiences with Puppy.

Barry and kethd: I just bought a cheap Dell Latitude CPi laptop (D300XT) at an auction, mainly as a Puppy testing machine.

Just tested Puppy 1.0.7alpha on it and...Xorg wizard works like a charm! No problem handling the NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chip. Worked immediately at 1024x768x16. Well done Barry Very Happy

Now to do a little more testing...

Oh yes, almost forgot. The Labtec PS/2 optical wheel mouse worked right away, including the scroll wheel. Wink

Edit: I'm writing this now using Puppy 1.0.7alpha on the Dell Latitude. It took only 5 sec to start Mozilla on this 300MHz machine - amazing!
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PeterSieg

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 12:43    Post subject: How about gxine under xorg - crashes for me..?  

Hi. Gxine give segmentation fault under xorg only?! xvesa is ok!

Anybody else having this behavier?

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Ted Dog


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Location: Heart of Texas

PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 13:31    Post subject: NTA terminal X.org bug. bad second Horz setting  

I installed 107a to the NTA terminal, and had same type of error reported earlier.
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J_Rey


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Location: Northwest Florida, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 14:16    Post subject: My findings with 1.0.7a  

It's a good thing that this is an alpha release... I barely got X.Org working! Xvesa/XFree86 worked fine though.

OK, I have a i810 chipset with shared video memory. After going through the Xorgwizard with my first selection it tried a video mode that my monitor couldn't handle but was listed as supported, the rest of the time it was either a completely black (i.e. good video signal) or black with a some vertical and/or horizontal lines and a cursor that wouldn't move. At those times where it wouldn't continue, I tried to move the mouse, caps lock, then Ctrl-Alt-Bksp then Ctrl-Alt-Del. Most of the times it wouldn't even soft reboot and I had to push the reset button on the front of my computer. A few times Ctrl-Alt-Del worked though. 640X480X24 was the only one I've gotten working (I think after reboot not immediately after xorgwizard). Which, BTW, at that small of a resolution a some of the menus were cut off and the icons in the upper left were all in a pile.

Now this problem (after xorgwizard tries new video mode only Ctrl-Alt-Del works unreliably) is more of a hassle than you would think. Because after reboot and attempting to load the previous pup00x fs then it will load the new display settings and possibly freeze again! So to avoid creating new pup00x files (like I did) after a bad selection could there be a kernel parameter (e.g. STARTX=0) or something that would have Puppy *not* load whatever X server is installed to allow xorgwizard or xvesa to be accessed again?

Also, I tried Gxine with an AVI file and it worked but the top 10-15 pixels of the video was scrambled. No seg fault with first run for me, tho. That's all for me for now then.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 16:08    Post subject:  

J_Rey,
Have you tried the xorg682 dotpup?

I wonder if Xorg supports the i810 chip?
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pakt


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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 16:45    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:

I wonder if Xorg supports the i810 chip?

Barry, I didn't have time today to check 1.0.7a on one of my "i810" PC's, but will do so tomorrow (it's Saturday evening here) and post my results...
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bombayrockers


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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 16:45    Post subject:  

i810 + Xorg requires the i810 driver for Xorg. Without the driver it only supports vesa. I am using Xorg.pup + i810.pup
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pakt


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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 16:55    Post subject:  

bombayrockers wrote:
I am using Xorg.pup + i810.pup

I don't recall seeing a i810.pup. I did a search of the forum for "i810.pup" and got 697 hits... Sad
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Flash
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 17:57    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
...I wonder if Xorg supports the i810 chip?

My computer has the Intel 815T chipset which I beleive is part of the i810 family and uses the same drivers or modules or whatever they are. Anyway, Xorg didn't seem to want to work the one time I chose it when I booted the 1.0.7a CD. My experience was very much the same as J Rey reported, but it could have been because I don't have a clue what I'm doing. Smile I test using boot option 3 (no pup001 file) so no problems with bad settings cropping up on reboot.
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