Puppy 4.2 Alpha2-Firepup Bugs & Fixes

[Terryphi]

ttuuxxx: I am really pleased of the chance to road-test your Firepup in Alpha2. Although I use Opera as my primary browser I like to have a Firefox version too and your derivative is great. Well done!

Is there an icon for it somewhere in the build?

[ttuuxxx]

Thanks for the nice comments the icon is located in
/usr/lib/FirePupv4/icons/default.xpm
Thanks
ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

Hey WhoDo, I've been thinking about the icon problem we are having.
Wouldn't it be better to have 3 icon folders and in each theme folder is 2 tar.gz files mini-icons.tar.gz and pixmaps.tar.gz that gets extracted to
/usr/local/lib/X11/mini-icons
/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps
That way, nothing is left behind, so when the tar.gz extracts, it replaces the previous images 100% and Jwm,IceWM can't messup.

That won't solve the problem, Jeff. The various icon themes use different names for the same icon. With different names, the icon with the wrong name doesn't get overwritten, yes, and your tgz solution will fix that part. However, it's a problem in two parts; the name of the icon that is used for the symlink is also dependent on which theme was in use when it was created. PuppyPin and globicons will still refer to the old icon and if it's not there you'll just get a blank symlink either on the desktop or in the menu.

Or maybe just kill the icon switcher, and extra icon themes, until its a stable program, the way it works now, is alpha quality and shouldn't be in a main release, well thats how I look at it, not putting down the great work that went into it, but if its really buggy. It should get more testing and fixes before entering mainstream Puppy.

The icon switcher is stable. It's the raw icon data that's the problem. Garbage in/Garbage out. It's a tedious task but at least two themes need to match to each other and the PuppyPin/globicons pair. Any theme that doesn't can then be dumped and the icon switcher will work like it's supposed to do.

Ps WhoDo anything on your wish list you would like me to tackle now? Just sitting here thinking hmmmmmm looks like I have everything done that I could do for now. Should I start something new?

Catdude has given us grub-gfxboot graphical boot system. I didn't have time to work through the configuration settings so it will be the default system installed when grub is loaded from the script.

The system needs to be modified so the graphical boot is what comes up whenever grub is installed as part of the Puppy Universal Installer process. It's just about config files and where they go. If I could get the lot in an Unleashed-ready pet package that would save me heaps of time in configuring the next release.

Also, has the Ctrl+Alt+Delete shutdown menu been finalised? That isn't in Alpha2, but I'd like to see it in the next release.

Finally, I need a ttuuxxx build of Seamonkey-1.1.14 with the Mail/News option included. Even if it doesn't go in the standard build, it should be in the PETget repository for those who need email compatibility with their existing system.

Thanks for all you've done, ttuuxxx. I really appreciate what you guys are contributing to this build. If it was just me alone, nothing would change I can assure you!

[WhoDo]

As a test, would someone unpack syslinux.cfg from the ISO, rename it isolinux.cfg and pack it back in. Then do a burn to CD and let me know if the problem is resolved.

I tried that - it didn't work. However, I can confirm that it works as a frugal install.

Ok, that confirms two things:

1. The underlying release is fine - otherwise the frugal install wouldn't run.

2. The syslinux boot system is fine - otherwise my USB installs wouldn't boot.

The problem is therefore in the original iso creation as bootable. I changed the way I created the iso because the normal makeiso script in my unleashed tree isn't working for some reason.

I'll revisit the makeiso script to see if I can work out why it is creating the iso shell but not adding any files. I'll try and have that fixed for the next release. I'll also go back and see if I can create a properly bootable iso for this release, if I have enough time.

Thanks for doing the test, Terryphi.

[aragon]

hi whodo,

maybe try this simple script for the iso:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36573

cheers
aragon

[aragon]

now some reporting from a first test:

- chat deskicon does not work => defaultchat is wrong
- browse deskicon opens netsurf => defaultbrowser is set wrong?
- zip-deskicon does not work => we have xarchiver not xarchive
- deskicon for edit is not good, it'n not a notecase
- play deskicon does not work => gxineshell is missing
- dark menuicons old do not work well with dark background

- add ldconfig, so user don't need to reboot, if a lib installs to /usr/local/lib (this needs an entry in /etc/ld.so.conf)
- create defaultmusicplayer (with pmusic) and change the defaultaction for mimetypes that work with pmusic
- update libgphoto2 to support more cam's
- add new mtpaintsnapshot-gui
- add htop it's much better than top
- are gfontsel and xfontsel needed?
- cleanup setup submenu (remove the ones which are in the wizard?)
- show desktop should not be in in autohide section

cheers
aragon

[WhoDo]

maybe try this simple script for the iso:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36573

Thanks for the thought, aragon, but the makeiso script in Unleashed gets this far. It just fails to add the files, which is also a limitation of your script. Maybe you could look at the makeiso script Barry created and get your calls to add the other files from there?

[WhoDo]

now some reporting from a first test:

- chat deskicon does not work => defaultchat is wrong
- browse deskicon opens netsurf => defaultbrowser is set wrong?
- zip-deskicon does not work => we have xarchiver not xarchive
- deskicon for edit is not good, it'n not a notecase
- play deskicon does not work => gxineshell is missing
- dark menuicons old do not work well with dark background

- add ldconfig, so user don't need to reboot, if a lib installs to /usr/local/lib (this needs an entry in /etc/ld.so.conf)
- create defaultmusicplayer (with pmusic) and change the defaultaction for mimetypes that work with pmusic
- update libgphoto2 to support more cam's
- add new mtpaintsnapshot-gui
- add htop it's much better than top
- are gfontsel and xfontsel needed?
- cleanup setup submenu (remove the ones which are in the wizard?)
- show desktop should not be in in autohide section

Great report, aragon! I have captured it for the next release, thanks!

[aragon]

Maybe you could look at the makeiso script Barry created and get your calls to add the other files from there?

sorry, that far beyond what i'm able to atm? for the script i just combined the part from remaster and the part from dir2sfs...

but i've compared the alpha2 with other puppy-isos. the difference is, that the boot.cat is missing in the alpha2. might this be the problem (i don't know what boot.cat is...).

cheers
aragon

[tom4jesus]

The file list and syslinux.cfg file seem fine. Try unpacking the iso to a directory and making a bootable CD with those files on manually, rather than burning directly from the iso.
Hope that helps.

I was not sure how to make a bootable CD from the files unless it is already an iso (still learning), but I did make a directory with the files and a grub entry for it (frugal install) and it booted up with no problems.

I will report back any unreported bugs if I find any.
It is looking real nice and I am posting this on Firepup from within it.

Tom

[ttuuxxx]

added to page 1
- Mtpaint with new snapshot delay scrip by dejan555 and made it default paint.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38165

- Xchat as default chat client

- Xarchiver Option 1 xarchiver-0.5.2-PupZip-v5.pet
updated mimes plus pupzip so the original setup works, so you don't need to add pupzip, but Xarchiver opens all the extra formats out of the box, PupZip was made so that puppy could use rpm and deb files even though rpm didn't really work, really PupZip is redundant now and should be removed along with its wrappers
- Xarchiver Option 2 xarchiver-0.5.2-i386-v5.pet
made with /usr/local/bin/defaultarchiver <-- needs to added to puppy pin, Don't install pupzip.

-Icewm renamed the package so WhoDo won't get confused, since this is like the 10 one so far
Changed Xlock link to /usr/local/apps/Xlock/AppRun
Removed the Jwm xdg menu (just make sure the restart with IceWM
is included with JWM xdg menu )
***Note this package works really well, There have been complaints about the Shutdown menu having too many items in a single column, Hairywill added tabs to the menu, to simplify it for new users and an advanced tab for others to enjoy, I liked it as 1 column but I guess it could confuse new users, So the tabs are default. Some people still weren't happy about other items like Pprocess being in the advanced tabs, Well if I can't have 1 column then I guess you can please everyone and that goes with removal of any more items, In the future maybe a 3rd tab for other things. I have other things to do for this project and can't keep getting stuck on menu, when it all works fine.

-Gutenprint with 1429 ppd files, 13MB and a separate Documents and locales package, That I think is a repo only item

-Htop 40kb a fine replacement for 'Top' I compiled the latest and made it work properly.

-libgphoto latest version plus dev-docs package

-GtKam Latest version plus I compiled it with the Gimp plugin, That actually works You can now import/aquire you photo's directly into Gimp:) I tried it on my small version of gimp 2.4.0 and it works
Plus a locales-doc package
ttuuxxx

[Pizzasgood]

There's nothing wrong with your makeiso script as far as I can see. The script doesn't explicitly put files into the iso. It just builds an iso out of the isolinux-builds directory. If a file is missing from there, it won't appear in the iso.

but i've compared the alpha2 with other puppy-isos. the difference is, that the boot.cat is missing in the alpha2. might this be the problem (i don't know what boot.cat is...).

Yeah, it should have a boot.cat. There should also be an isolinux.bin in there. Both of those need to be in the isolinux-builds/ directory of unleashed. If they're missing for some reason, copy them in from a Puppy 4.1.2 .iso.


Thirdly, there should be an isolinux.cfg, not syslinux.cfg.

isolinux.cfg for the CD
syslinux.cfg for the USB on vfat partitions
extlinux.conf for the USB on ext2 partitions

These all start from the 0rootfs-skeleton/usr/lib/syslinux/files/syslinux.cfg file. The install script or creatpuppy script will copy the file and then automatically rename it to whatever it needs to be.

The template will be missing the final append line. This is normal. The install scripts and createpuppy script add this themselves, since it varies depending on how Puppy is being installed. The final result after running createpuppy will be an isolinux.cfg file created in isolinux-builds/, complete with final append line.

If you have changes to make to the isolinux.cfg file, you should do them by changing the 0rootfs-skeleton/usr/lib/syslinux/files/syslinux.cfg file and then letting the createpuppy script update it (it does this just before it builds the iso itself). Otherwise the modified file won't be included inside Puppy's filesystem to be used for USB installs and remasters.

The exception is if you want to hardcode boot options. Those need to be done in the script that is applicable to the situation. So to set a boot option for the LiveCD you need to edit the createpuppy script. Just use find to find the line that has "append initrd=initrd.gz" and make the addition there.



That all assumes you're using the modified createpuppy script I provided.

[ttuuxxx]

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Hi pizzagood can you pleaseeeeeeeee increase the amount of postings per post, right now its set at a max of 10 items, I'm trying to keep all the updates located in one section, now I have to start posting like on page 5 where as my first 10 files were on page one, its going to make them scattered all over this thread. Can you change it to like 50 ??
Pretty please
thanks
ttuuxxx

[Pizzasgood]

Okay. Just don't make a habit of using that many in one spot. We're not a file hosting service

But yeah, I see where that would make things simpler for this.

[ttuuxxx]

Okay. Just don't make a habit of using that many in one spot. We're not a file hosting service

But yeah, I see where that would make things simpler for this.

Thanks for that already uploaded 4 more packages
ttuuxxx

[recycler]

The first alpha of 4.2 burnt to CD and booted on two out of three machines I tried it on. This second alpha does not boot - and like others in this thread I set it up as a frugal install and it is running ok.

I also have problems with desktop icons not launching appications.
Not working: Chat, Zip (error please install xarchive), and Play

Mounting a partition and clicking on a WAV file launches Pmusic. And puppy has correctly setup the sound card automatically. However (same old feature) when I close Pmusic the WAV file carries on playing

Trying to play an MP3 - click on it nothing, drag it to PLAY icon does not work and right clicking and using 'open with' reveals that links are missing for composer, gview, gzine and mozilla.

I can start Gzine from the menu and then drag MP3 files into its window....btw I set up Puppy with VLC as the default music player....looks better and has always worked well for me. And Mplayer has worked best for video....

Clicking on 'browse' starts Netsurf.....I expected Firepup - great to see that included - I;ve been on the net with it in this alpha release and have used it a lot on other puppy 4 series installations.

Looking forward to seeing how this develops
Cheers Leon

[ttuuxxx]

Whats left to do

- chat deskicon does not work => defaultchat is wrong Done Package page 1 ttuuxxx
- browse deskicon opens netsurf => defaultbrowser is set wrong?Will be changed to SeaMonkey next release
- zip-deskicon does not work => we have xarchiver not xarchive Done Package page 1 ttuuxxx
- deskicon for edit is not good, it'n not a notecase <----Job for WhoDo
- play deskicon does not work => gxineshell is missing <---Job For WhoDo
- dark menuicons old do not work well with dark background <---If I'm to fix this one, I need a working copy of 4.2a2 so i can get a feel for it

- add ldconfig, so user don't need to reboot, if a lib installs to /usr/local/lib (this needs an entry in /etc/ld.so.conf) <----Job for WhoDo
- create defaultmusicplayer (with pmusic) and change the defaultaction for mimetypes that work with pmusic <---Next on my list
- update libgphoto2 to support more cam's Done Package page 1 ttuuxxx
- add new mtpaintsnapshot-gui Done Package page 1 ttuuxxx
- add htop it's much better than top Done Package page 1 ttuuxxx
- are gfontsel and xfontsel needed? <--Not needed, users can view all fonts in abiword
- cleanup setup submenu (remove the ones which are in the wizard?) <--- wizards are nice, but direct links are more obvious
- show desktop should not be in in autohide section In what? Icewm?? I removed it because well by default most themes don't come with a matching show desktop icons, So then it looks out of place, I'll see what I can do about getting one that works with all of them.

1-2 things left on this left that I can do. The rest is simple and WhoDo's, at least I think so.
ttuuxxx

Ps if WhoDo implements the new packages I posted on page 1 plus does a few minor tweaks, It should be very nice and usable, When I'm finished the last 2 on this list, I'll start on WhoDo's wish list.

[pa_mcclamrock]

I'll also go back and see if I can create a properly bootable iso for this release, if I have enough time.

Yes, please! Speaking of having enough time, I don't, when it comes to messing with non-bootable isos that are supposed to be bootable--but I'd really like to try out Alpha 2 with a bootable iso. Thanks in advance!

David McClamrock

[ttuuxxx]

I'll also go back and see if I can create a properly bootable iso for this release, if I have enough time.

Yes, please! Speaking of having enough time, I don't, when it comes to messing with non-bootable isos that are supposed to be bootable--but I'd really like to try out Alpha 2 with a bootable iso. Thanks in advance!

David McClamrock

I agree David, this 'Alpha' is a true 'Alpha' by all means, LOL, we did push him to give us what he had, I'll wait for the next release, Hey WhoDo will the next release be Seamonkey or FirePup? If its SeaMonkey, make sure its set as defaullt browser, I'll check after but I don't recall if I made it so in the package.
ttuuxxx

[dogone]

Just a thought. Alphas should be "as needed". I suggest that ANY change to Whodo's alpha2 .iso be released as alpha3 ("alpha 2a" if that's more comforting). There's no shame in spinnng another alpha and doing so may prevent confusion.