Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[zigbert]

Reduce the Puppy 4.12 iso by 1 mb
and offer a better and cleaned up Puppy.

- 73 kb:
Replace the game PicPuz (115 kb) with the excellent cardgame Seahaven (34 kb) and the othello clone - Jester (8kb).

- 12 kb:
Remove Pmirror (3kb) and its dependency - mirdir (9kb). Pmirror is a nice program, but does the same as the sync mode in Pbackup.

- 51 kb:
Remove calculators else than Calcoo. Cgtkcalc (30kb), Ycalc (21kb) and Xcalc (?).

- 17 kb:
Remove the preview images of jwm-themes. Why do we keep those????

- 6 kb:
Include only 3 jwm themes (blue, orange and gray?)

- 40 kb:
Keep only 3 gtk themes (blue, orange and gray?). The citrus-cut theme is alone 35kb.

- 250 kb:
Add several backgrounds as solid colors. Else remove all but 1 backgrounds image in good quality (100 kb) that fits default gtk/jwm theme.

- 80 kb:
Remove Ripoff (45 kb), Pcdripper (13kb) and cdparanoia (42kb). Nathans Gprip is very simple and could easily be stripped down to 20 kb (remove graphics) and does not use cdparanoia. Correct me if I'm wrong.

- 176 kb:
Keep Only 2 icon sets. The flat orange theme is 176 kb.

- 10 kb:
Remove Xclip (clipboard). Puppy has also Glipper.

- 174 kb:
Replace fotoxx-5.0.1 (213 kb) with gpicview-0.1.10 (39kb) or ghunter (39kb) which also has slideshow support. Fotoxx is something in between a image editor and image viewer. Since we have Mtpaint, I don't see any need of more image editors. What we need is fixing the print function in mtpaint.

+ 19 kb:
Include Transmission-0.6 (111kb) that is very user friendly, instead of ctorrent (85kb), Pctorrent (7kb)

- 100 kb:
Clean up all the 16x16 icons that are not in use. 100 kb is a guess.

- 22 kb:
Skip the Pmusic theme. With a good gtk-theme, the player looks just nice.


Ok, I know that my post 'Puppy 4.2 - Desktop and artwork' suggests adding bloat. Pwidgets and dependencies (conky) will add about 400kb.
I guess I'm trying to balance my input

With Pwidgets inside you also may skip frememapplet, xload and asapm.


Sigmund

[WhoDo]

Great post, Sigmund! It will save me much time in trolling through the Unleashed tree to see what to include or exclude.

I certainly intend that Pwidgets is IN, so your suggestions are very welcome!

Cheers,

[Lobster]

[Pizzasgood]

I don't really think Pebble 1.0 is good enough for an official Puppy. For that, it should have a way to turn it off while booting, rather than having to rely on a boot option. As for size, it's a little bigger, but not too much. The thing that makes the test package I released big is that it includes an example theme that uses animation. If you removed that it would be much smaller.

Whenever I get around to writing Pebble 2.0, the goal with that will be to make it Production Quality. 1.0 was more of the proof-of-concept.

[SirDuncan]

I would like to add my vote for Transmission. In my experience it simply works better than just about anything else.

[aragon]

fotoxx => i would also vote for gpicview, but i think the wallpaper-setter has dependencies to fotoxx...

by the way: does the average puppy-user use samba-shares (as an example: i don't).

cheers
aragon

[01micko]

[Lobster]

[HairyWill]

[ttuuxxx]

Personally I feel keep it under 100MB, I don't care if its 99.99MB thats fine with me and goes along with puppy tradition So what I suggest is fatten the bloat, until just below the red-line 100MB, really we are under the 100 mb by far and your talking about getting rid of programs many users are used to, I don't use the ones listed, but hey I like to stick up for the silent voices. Here's a question, If a persons voice is silent, does anyone hear them?lol
ttuuxxx

Ps Transmission is needed and galculator, the new one Muggins posted this week

[aragon]

it's not only the point of 100 mb or 99,9 mb (in my opinion) although for those who are using a modem... or an old pc ...

'base'-puppy should be simple and clear.

so in my opinion:
- if only a little number of people is using homebank, why should it be in the 'base'-puppy
- if only a little number of people is using fpm, ...
- if only a little number of people is using mtr-traceroute, ...
- ....

although some of them might only be at 50k, if only a few or none are using them, why include them? you will have less clutter, a clear menu and will be able to keep more of the packages up-to-date.

And for those few missing a special package, it's in the official repo, installed with a click.

another point (off-topic): we have the wizard-wizard. and then we have nearly all wizards also with an seperate menu-entry. this is one of the first things i'm changing in a remaster. Although Puppy-Menu is not as unclear as my KDE-4-Menu in OpenSuse (in my opinion this menu is unusable), i like it very simple.

ok that was all too long.

Summary: We should have an eye on every program that is in the base-puppy, if not for saving space than for saving simplicity.

cheers
aragon

[ttuuxxx]

[zigbert]

[MU]

Sigmund,
I think apart from the size, the new background is better, as it should match better with different resolutions.
The old one looks cool, too, but the bows look distorted or misplaced in a widescreen 1650x1050.

Mark

[aragon]

ttuuxxx, sure i see your point

some notes:
- "Browsers" I think you're right. But i think i saw some hot discussion about that, i don't want to jump into atm.
- "Most users use Kompozer or NVU". Sorry, i think that's not correct. I think, most users did not create homepages very often.
- "Gnumeric, almost nobody actually uses it..." Might be right, but maybe an alrounder needs a default spreadsheet!?!
- "By far most users kill JWM" Not that discussion please JWM is the right, light and easy thing at the moment. and with zigberts project(s) it will look great.

i don't wanted to have an other puppy as i like the one we have. but size and simplicity are main goals.

EDIT:
@zigbert: i also don't want a barebone-puppy as default!

cheers
aragon