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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 01:27 Post subject:
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When we moved from fvwm95 to JWM, it took several releases of Puppy to integrate JWM and make it stable enough to use effectively. Many of us immediately installed the earlier tested, tried and integrated fvwm95.
There are changes that are going in 4.2.
Knowing what is in 4.2 and what Warren is providing. It is quite legitimate to start a thread for 4.3
Is there any help you need from me or others Warren, for 4.2?
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Pizzasgood

Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 6270 Location: Knoxville, TN, USA
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 01:39 Post subject:
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About Insert+Seamonkey: first off, it affects Firefox too. It is either a Mozilla-in-general issue or a GTK issue, not a specifically-Seamonkey one.
Second, I believe I have "fixed" it (for our purposes anyway), but I have yet to get any kind of confirmation from anybody if the recompiled GTK I posted worked for everybody else, or if it had side effects. So far it has been running fine for ME, but that's all I know at this point. I assume that the lack of feedback means it has been working?
(For those not aware, I simply recompiled it with the --enable-debug option, and I threw in --enable-xinput while I was in there, since tablets need it for pressure sensitivity).
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WhoDo

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 4441 Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 02:05 Post subject:
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| Lobster wrote: | | Is there any help you need from me or others Warren, for 4.2? |
Not yet. I'm waiting for Barry to finish and release the 4.1.2 bug fix version, so I can watch if any new problems surface and then incorporate all of his fixes in the Unleashed tree. At that point I will start downloading package updates, new usability features, etc. We are still some way off even an early alpha at this point.
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HairyWill

Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2949 Location: Southampton, UK
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 04:43 Post subject:
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WhoDo,
What do you think about using subversion to publish your changes. Sidestepping the issue of who has write access, it would be helpful even if everyone else was read only. It would make it easier to test individual fixes as they were made without having to wait for you to release an iso.
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HairyWill

Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2949 Location: Southampton, UK
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 10:24 Post subject:
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| ttuuxxx wrote: | Yes the open with option works, but thats two clicks, it should be in the main right click window near delete, Thats what I'm trying to do, near the delete button, I already started hacking the code to enable this feature, plus I have a updated trash bin with options and the trash.lib file compiled. Just trying to work them all together.
ttuuxxx | ttuuxx, are you still working on this?
I have created a set of roxapp launchers for the main file handling applications in the default 4.1.1. These are mainly just a symlink to an icon and a minimal launch script. I have then populated ~/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith with loads of mimetype directories containing symlinks to the roxapps appropriate to that mimetype. If an application in the following list is appropriate to the file, when you right click on it the application will appear on the file menu.
Abiword
burniso2cd
ChmSee
EpdfView
FileMnt
Fotoxx
Geany
Ghostview
Gnumeric
GView
Gxine
Inkscapelite
Isomaster
Leafpad
mtPaint
PBurn
PupZip
Seamonkey
Seamonkey_Editor
Seamonkey_Email
Trash
The pet below installs the roxapps to /usr/local/apps and the hidden mime directories to /root/.config.rox.sourceforge.OpenWith. Don't forget that to enable the apps on the top level right click you need to do rox - options - menus - file menu on right click
ps The installation takes a short while to register with the package manager because there are so many symlinks in it.
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gerry
Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 944 Location: England
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 11:13 Post subject:
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More on my thought about deleting wxbasicscript from the iso- if the only app that uses it is the dotpuphandler, which is a .pet in the official repository, then there is no reason that wxbasicscript can't be another, with a note by dotpuphandler that it needs wxbasicscript.pet
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WhoDo

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 4441 Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
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Posted: Wed 26 Nov 2008, 15:36 Post subject:
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| HairyWill wrote: | WhoDo,
What do you think about using subversion to publish your changes. Sidestepping the issue of who has write access, it would be helpful even if everyone else was read only. It would make it easier to test individual fixes as they were made without having to wait for you to release an iso. |
Yep. Anything that speeds up the process of test, debug, retest, release is a good idea IMHO. Barry is publishing his bug fixes in a form that allows their incorporation into the existing 4.1.1 Unleashed tree, so anyone can also take those fixes and incorporate them into the existing package for testing and comment.
I won't add the fixes to my Unleashed tree until after 4.1.2 has hit the shelves, so if others were to incorporate them earlier and test their efficacy beforehand, that would save some time. Once added to subversion I could download them as fully functional and have an alpha ready shortly after 4.1.2 instead of waiting for a significant period of testing.
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Guitar Edman
Joined: 12 Nov 2008 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008, 00:34 Post subject:
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I know I am new here having only posted one time before (been lurking forever) but if it were me in the chefs hat. I would focus on using the 4.x series to truely define what puppy is all about by breaking its core innovations like multisession compatability into a rock solid minimal distro with as much flexability and compatability with other distro package management as well as pup / pet and build routines as possible per byte and try to add serious innovation to that. Ending the squabling about which browser or windows manager to use and allowing the user base here to build from that which is what they are going to do anyway and what keeps us all coming back. I would also seriously consder giving back to the open source community a package called puppy that could add these features to the distro of their choice. No doubt resulting in an even stronger and more dedicated user base to build the pups of tomorrow.
LOL just my .02$ but really wishing it was available at this moment for a project I am working on and will probabbly end up building here from source before it is all through because it dosnt exist at this point...
I guess my real question is why? Puppy is awesome why force bloat let the user add what they need, that is what really makes linux in general special right?
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raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4639 Location: Manila
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Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008, 01:36 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | I would also seriously consider giving back to the open source community a package called puppy that could add these features to the distro of their choice |
That's an excellent idea, although it may not be done in 4.2, following the discussion above.
May I also add this little food for thought. Just this morning, I booted FatFree 3.01, added Wine 1.13 (see here) and then remastered it. I could then boot any "normal" PC quickly and cleanly, and run without reinstalling a number of programs already in Windows (like OpenOffice, Opera, Firefox, and Wink). Of course I could get Linux packages from Slackware (this is the compatibility feature of 3.01), but speaking of Win refugees, this could be an easy Linux migration path.
The total size of the ISO is 74 MB (18 MB of which consisted of drivers).
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Aitch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK
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Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008, 20:34 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | That's an excellent idea..... |
2nd that
| Quote: | | Just this morning, I booted FatFree 3.01, added Wine 1.13 (see here) and then remastered it |
Now for real impact FULL INTERNATIONALIZATION, please
we're getting there......
voice actuated booting next???
he he
Aitch
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008, 20:46 Post subject:
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| Aitch wrote: | | Now for real impact FULL INTERNATIONALIZATION, please | You're shouting for the $ versus £ huh
I would like to have my filenames with accented characters recognized throughout the puppy OS and programs.
That's a different matter.
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Aitch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK
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Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008, 21:58 Post subject:
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he he - damn spellcheckers
still, you know what I mean...
| Quote: | I would like to have my filenames with accented characters recognized throughout the puppy OS and programs.
That's a different matter. |
No, That's EXACTLY my point, & I am still communicating with Ambercomm in HK who would really like chinese puppy to work easily, & another friend - Italian, I think the Russian is usable, thanks to magerlab
MU has German covered, there is the 41 Lang variant, .....but....
no UNIVERSAL INTERNATIONAL PUPPY
I hope it WILL become a project.....
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jcoder24

Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 601 Location: Barbados
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Posted: Fri 28 Nov 2008, 10:33 Post subject:
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HairyWill:
Sending a file to trash causes the attached dialog to appear.
It would be nice to have a utility that allows you to easily modify some of the (default) handlers. For example changing video files from opening in gxine to opening in mplayer or vlc.
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HairyWill

Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2949 Location: Southampton, UK
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Posted: Fri 28 Nov 2008, 13:02 Post subject:
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| jcoder24 wrote: | HairyWill:
Sending a file to trash causes the attached dialog to appear.
It would be nice to have a utility that allows you to easily modify some of the (default) handlers. For example changing video files from opening in gxine to opening in mplayer or vlc. |
poo
I saw that and then forgot about it whilst testing the other handlers. A cursory inspection reveals that the Trash roxapp uses an unquoted APPDIR variable in a few places, I should be able to patch that this evening.
As to the default handlers I agree a gui for this would be nice. I notice that MU has this in recent Muppies but I haven't checked on the mechanism and dependencies of that yet
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Fri 28 Nov 2008, 17:03 Post subject:
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| Pizzasgood wrote: | About Insert+Seamonkey: first off, it affects Firefox too. It is either a Mozilla-in-general issue or a GTK issue, not a specifically-Seamonkey one.
Second, I believe I have "fixed" it (for our purposes anyway), but I have yet to get any kind of confirmation from anybody if the recompiled GTK I posted worked for everybody else, or if it had side effects. So far it has been running fine for ME, but that's all I know at this point. I assume that the lack of feedback means it has been working?
(For those not aware, I simply recompiled it with the --enable-debug option, and I threw in --enable-xinput while I was in there, since tablets need it for pressure sensitivity). | Sorry Pizzasgood, I lost this issue out of sight.
I just downloaded and installed the corrected gtk.
I don't have the problem anymore in SeaMonkey when I push the insert key.
Thanks for finding a solution.
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