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Ripple Releases (Puppy with Compiz-fusion, more)
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 20:20    Post subject:  

Dinky,

The calendar is really neat and dragging icons from /usr/share/applications worked great, although I couldn't drag them onto an existing menu item.

CUPS failed to install. running from a terminal the error msg was:
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cups: started scheduler.
bareview: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Entering http://localhost:631 also gave an error. Error: server-error-internal-error
Probably some needed codes that were deleted when Seamonkey was removed as default.

I agree with you that my hardware or the video driver is probably having a problem with Compiz-fusion because this has happened before with Muppy and others.

Thank you for a great distribution.
Jim
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LaneLester

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 20:40    Post subject:  

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Have you tried booting a live CD with "puppy pfix=ram"? If that doesn't work, I'd suspect a corrupt CD, maybe burn it at a slower speed, or download the iso again.

Yesssss! That did the trick for my big box. Thank you very much. Ripple is running, and it looks terrific. I'm going to have to see if I can install my special programs, such as WeatherDisplay, so that I can spend some real time with this beauty.

Still no joy with the Eee PC, although things got further this time, I guess because I used Ripple to create the flash drive. I had to use the first MBR alternative to get it to start the boot. The first time I booted it, it started X with a cursor and black screen before it stopped progressing. Subsequent boots went to "Loading kernel modules" and then the power shut off (low battery? I'll check).

Please point me to some info on how to deal with this window manager. There are no title bars on the windows, and I can't figure how how to move the windows or enlarge them from the default size.

Lane
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dinky


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 20:44    Post subject:  

I'll have a look at that cups error later on, thanks for turning me onto that. Re draggining items into existing menus, you need to right click on them (once on the dockbar), select 'modify this launcher', then select the container you want it in. Let me know how you go.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 20:50    Post subject:  

Hi Lane, you're only half way there I'm afraid. Ripple works with Compiz-fusion as the window manager, and if it ain't working, you'll get Ripple with nothing to manage the windows.... I'm also guessing you have lots of widgets with black boxes around them on the desktop, and a dockbar also with black boxes. The boxes can be fixed by turning on false transparency, but that's not the point. Currently Ripple doesn't support hardware that can't run compiz fusion, that will happen in future releases.

What graphics card are you running? It needs to support compiz-fusion. The eeepc's do, so my thoughts are to keep trying to boot on that. I'd go for getting your flash drive to boot. In Puppy 4.1.1 (Ripple or whatever else), use the Puppy universal installer to configure the flash drive properly... I've had best luck choosing syslinux. I'll post some more detailed instructions later. Keep at it, and you'll get there.
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mysticmarks


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 22:30    Post subject:  ripple
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Looks great! First impressions are the dock seems to get unresponsive if another app is still loading or closing. I would also highly suggest leaving IN jwm or swapping with IceWM as a permanent backup to compiz. This would at least allow us to use our files and system reguardless of video support for compiz.
Maybe we could use scripting to test for compiz support by default and use a else statment to pull users into the alternate WM if compiz won't fly. Noobs shouldnt have to figure out commands to get this pup into GUI. It would be a major down. Plus it would keep the old hardware support that make all the puppies so robust as desktop replacements. I understand the initial ripple desire of ONLY compiz, but if its going to comprimise the number of systems it can be used on it would be a waste. I also think that if the backup WM is kept, this is THEE current pup of choice Dinky.

Let me know if you need some help or suggestions on what else to put in. (I already would love to see TOR, or some other anon protection in. Also undeb, unrpm, etc. I think it would be great to include one of the newer sfs editing programs we have in house. We really should have had one in all the pups anyway.)

I've spent weeks reading EVERYTHING on softpedia for linux and am now working through sourceforge for other interesting things. I've found a bunch of small neat stuff.(Home automation, etc.) Most are very small too. Perhaps it will be time for another sfs creation once you've finished with the included package list.

On a side note. Did you use the devx, or unleashed through another distro?

EDIT: Also, you should keep the puppy connection wizard in the internet dock. It is completely unobvious how to setup the internet without that addition to the dock(or desktop).

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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 00:20    Post subject:  

Dinky,
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you need to right click on them (once on the dockbar), select 'modify this launcher', then select the container you want it in.

Worked perfectly, however container appears to have a limit of 7 items.
Thanks,
Jim
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dinky


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 02:17    Post subject:  

@ Jim1911
Odd, I've definitely had more than 7 launchers in a container before... what happens when you try to add another one? It may also be possible to 'force' them through the config script. Look in /root/.config/cairo-doc/current_theme/launchers for the launcher and container files. They are simple text files, and it's easy to edit them. Just back them up to another directory first. Cheers.

@ Mysticmarks
Truly awesome! almost all of the above are my thoughts exactly. Actually, the network wizard IS in the dock, though you're right about it not being obvious. My plan is to have an html page availabe on bootup with a 'how the heck does this thing work?'. Puppy already has something similar, though I want to edit this so it's more in depth, and of course specifc to Ripple.

Anyway, in the notes on the main post I've pointed it out, that you need to click on stats, right click on the icon, go to wifi, then network admin. the wizard is llinked through there. You're right though, it needs to be more obvious, or at the least having a tutorial guide to point you there. I'm more in favour of a guide, as there are enough other 'tricks' with compiz that will keep you guessing for a long while.

Undeb is already in there, included with Puppy 4.1.1. Also in there is dir2sfs, to make an sfs from a folder. Forum member sunburnt had a very cool program called mksfs he was working on, which I'll likely include. Which other ones can you think of? Also, what's TOR? I'd very much welcome an extension sfs, or more packages, to go with Ripple.

Re the backup window manager, it's always been my plan to use jwm. You're right, it needs to be an easy default option... like automatic when Compiz-fusion won't run. No problem with this, it's just configuring it. This should be able to be done through the cfwizard, and /root/.xinitrc. Are you able to suggest an "else" option to get this running? I'd also like to look at replacing the current start-up line in /root/.xinitrc to launch compiz-fusion. compiz-manager is a wrapper script to start compiz-fusion, and this works in place of what's currently there. I'm not sure how much double handling there might be between this and the cfwizard on bootup, but it might be a good place to test whether compiz-fusion is working or not in the compiz-manager script, then default to jwm if it's not.

I'm glad you like this pupplet. While Ripple will continue to be a project on it's own, rebuilt from unleashed, there's no reason this couldn't be added as an extension to the default puppy in either an sfs or pet package form. All that's needed are the graphics card drivers (still to be implemented in ripple), an edited /root/.xinitrc script, an edited xorgwizard, cfwizard, and a replacement to the functions of jwm. (I'm using cairo-dock for this last one, which could either be used, or left out in place of something else) The end result wouldn't be Ripple, but it wold be something very cool any noob could install for their desktop. I mentioned this idea in the Puppy 4.2 thread, and didn't get any takers. Perhaps this side of the forum would be a better place to develop this.

Re how I built this, I did use devx a little, but as i kept compiling to the utter minimum (not my high point) it wasn't needed much. I'm using puppy 4.1.1 as a base, and rebuilding unleashed from within that. Cairo-dock will likely need recompiling again at some point, but I'm going to focus on other areas first. No support for Rox, but currently very workable.

Anyway, I welcome any help you're able to give. Thanks again for your feedback.
~dinky
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 06:49    Post subject: fix for cups  

There is a bug in ripple_06-2 with cups. While cups works, cups_shell tries to call netsurf, and then gtkmoz, neither of which exist. This pet fixes that issue, making the default browser firefox for cups. In the next release I'll build this fix in, and have a cups shortut from the firefox browser. Cheers.
~dinky

http://www.curiouslegends.com.au/linux/ripple/packages/fixes/cups-fix.pet
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LaneLester

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 07:19    Post subject:  

dinky wrote:
Hi Lane, you're only half way there I'm afraid. Ripple works with Compiz-fusion as the window manager, and if it ain't working, you'll get Ripple with nothing to manage the windows..

What graphics card are you running? It needs to support compiz-fusion.

Thanks for the suggestions, dinky, but I think my situation isn't as bad as you suspect. I have an old nVidia 5500 which has run Compiz-fusion just fine in Ubuntu. The card was recognized and the special driver installed.

And everything seemed to be working fine, except for no way to resize/move the windows. All of the widgets seemed to be working, and I don't think they had any kind of black border. I was able to unlock and move them to new locations. It was just the regular windows that I couldn't manipulate.

I'll experiment some more later today and see if I can provide more data.

Lane
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aarf

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 11:17    Post subject:  

dinky wrote:

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@ Mysticmarks
Also in there is dir2sfs, to make an sfs from a folder. Forum member sunburnt had a very cool program called mksfs he was working on, which I'll likely include. Which other ones can you think of? Also, what's TOR? I'd very much welcome an extension sfs, or more packages, to go with Ripple.
....
Anyway, I welcome any help you're able to give. Thanks again for your feedback.
~dinky

Tor: is a ISP masker and encryption for anonymous surfing, can also be used in conjunction with a VPN which puppy4.1.1 allows connection to. Have tried both VPN and Tor in windows but not in puppy as yet.
there is a reasonably new TorPup.iso see
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=33804
links in that thread, especially this one http://www.aplusproxy.com/torpark.php and this one http://www.aplusproxy.com/vpn/index.php
have good information and explanations.

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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 12:02    Post subject:  

Dinky,
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Odd, I've definitely had more than 7 launchers in a container before... what happens when you try to add another one?

As I recall, I was adding Amsn to the Internet container, and after editing the container name it disappeared. Tried again with the same result, so I removed an application and then it added properly. Tried to add another application, to increase number over 7, and had same result.

Since rebooting, I haven't been able to duplicate the problem. Sorry to bother you with a (non-problem) that I can't duplicate.

Jim
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 12:11    Post subject:  

@Dinky- The sfs editors are really spread out. Initially pizzasgood had made one called EDIT-SFS.pup. Then i saw that Lighthouse pup has a modified one which prints the process to screen as it works. I read about a a few others, but never bothered as pizzasgood's worked fine for me. Sunburnt, pizzasgood, and (iforgot who made LHP, sorry.) lhp's maker would all be good consults on this topic. I think we may even need to refine and combine to get the best tool yet. Then ripple and all the other pups can have a unified tool for the job.

More later!
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 13:28    Post subject:  

EeePC/ripple6.2
xorg goes only as far as the cross then arrow detailed elsewhere.
Xvesa will boot fully but i cant see that fusion is happening and cannot close the file view windows and other things when they are open. Alt+move isnt happening so cant move the open windows. This includes the configuration of fusion so cannot configure fusion because I cant get to the bottom of the open window to select "apply". Widgets are locked over the dock and also over the Usb partition icons and so need to be moved before the hidden icons can function. Wifi and axel downloader function. Desktop icon in dock does not function. Ctl+alt+backspace closes all windows and returns to desktop. F9, AltF9 do nothing at all.
To close file viewing windows:right click>select "window">select "close window". still cant close them though and they cover the default position of the penguin that has the menu.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 14:59    Post subject:  

aarf wrote:
EeePC/ripple6.2
xorg goes only as far as the cross then arrow detailed elsewhere.
Xvesa will boot fully but i cant see that fusion is happening

Your report is essentially the same as mine: xorg bombs, and xvesa starts fully, but with incomplete window management... the same behavior I see on my big computer.

Firefox is really different with the thumbnails, but I guess that's a feature I haven't run into before.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov 2008, 17:31    Post subject:  

I made a a spelling mistake on the Florida link....sorry. I had different spellings on each server...grrr

The new url is http://puppylinux.igsobe.com/puppylinux/tpp/Ripple/

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