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Lobster · #41 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 20:07

If Lobster doesn't mind...would he start the process of acquiring people that would be willing to man a desk for certain periods of time

OK will start that tomorrow. . .

#42 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 20:08

As I understand Eric well, the live help desk has immediate response.
It's in the nature of it. I suppose it's a person to person communication.

The chat channel however is a matter of chance if there is a knowledgeable person available.
When you enter the chat, the welcoming message is clear.
Ask the question and wait patiently.
Also it is often a cacophony and answers on a question are difficult to follow. Well that's inherent of chatting.
But it has it's place as well.

My 0,02€

Caneri · #43 Post by **Caneri** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 20:19

Hi Beem,

#puppylinux is a major resource and I would not want to interfere with it's value.

That said...maybe another choice would be effective for people that are not using irc or this forum....hey, there are lots of hits on the servers and I'm sure they are all not here or irc.

That being said I think a test will tell the tail (tale..lol) of the tape.

If it turns out to be a dilution of knowledge and resources then it's not the way to go...but a test run should be done to find out...so let's hear the pros and cons for this as it will entail security and resources for sure.

Best,
Eric

#44 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 21:25

Just some loose things about this live help desk.
One with opening hours? 24 hours?
The communication vehicle? Skype? SIP? IM?
What about National Language?
Restricted to specific Puppy products or inclusion of derivatives?

And yes this forum is really plenty of information.
Probably quite some answers are there already, but so scattered and unorganized it's an almost impossible task to find the precise answer.
I don't want to say this source should go away, no it should stay.

Anyway this live help desk will be a huge project to setup.
Not mentioning the cost for infrastructure.

Interesting to follow what gives.

Caneri · #45 Post by **Caneri** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 21:40

Hi Beem,

Infrastructure is already setup. The test run (that was loaded on another server) was ok..alas I ran out of bandwidth.

Live Help will be open around the clock so all countries will be able to use it. Languages will be considered and hopefully available for specific operators and clients...I still need to learn more on languages but I'm sure it can be accommodated.

The communications will be done "in house" and although may be slow at times will be ready for email response and live chat at any and all times...hey it just runs...whoever is on as operator at whatever world time will be available "or not".

Restrictions will be on the server side..as for the public..well you know, will not be restricted..that's the point.

Best,
Eric

#46 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 22:13

Eric, thanks for the info. Look forward to the opening 'festivity'.
As for this:

Caneri wrote:I still need to learn more on languages

I suppose you are at least a master in English and French?

Bernard

prach · #47 Post by **prach** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 04:20

I think Puppy 4.2 need something like that.
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
I offer localization service relevant to 4.2 .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=16

nic2109 · #48 Post by **nic2109** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:42

Lobster wrote:The Deep Thought team begins to emerge . . .

* Warren - Co-ordination
* Dougal - Creator of 4.2
* Cb88 - Sourceforge repository
* HairyWill - Programming and compiling support
* MU - Compiling support - including options (if required)
* Sigmund - Design and coding support
* Lobster - General dogsbody and publicity
* Caneri - File hosting
* Barry - Consultation, advice (semi-retired - feet up)

I know other people are involved and this will emerge
If you are offering other services relevant to 4.2
they can be offered here or on the 4.2 community page

This is a Very Good List.

I know that he can speak for himself (but may be too modest to) but has MU's plea for proper localisation been taken on board?

I'd like to propose a ground rule that nothing new is added until it's been properly localised. And then perhaps a second one which states that nothing new will be added until the existing content has had the same treatment.

A properly international Puppy would have considerable appeal. When running from a live CD without (or ignoring) a save file could ask which language as well as which keyboard and then configure itself accordingly.

Of course this will be followed by the question on whether you want a single (i.e. root) user set up or one with multiple users .........

#49 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 18:19

Lobster wrote:The Deep Thought team begins to emerge . . .

* Warren - Co-ordination
* Dougal - Creator of 4.2
* Cb88 - Sourceforge repository
* HairyWill - Programming and compiling support
* MU - Compiling support - including options (if required)
* Sigmund - Design and coding support
* Lobster - General dogsbody and publicity
* Caneri - File hosting
* Barry - Consultation, advice (semi-retired - feet up)

I know other people are involved and this will emerge
If you are offering other services relevant to 4.2
they can be offered here or on the 4.2 community page

Don't forget to clue me into the list.
Sure I'm working on 5.0 Slackware, but it will closely follow 4.1+
I can offer packages and some graphics (Graphics take for ever to create, But I like doing it !! )
ttuuxxx

Aitch · #50 Post by **Aitch** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 19:27

Nick wrote:I'd like to propose a ground rule that nothing new is added until it's been properly localised. And then perhaps a second one which states that nothing new will be added until the existing content has had the same treatment.

A properly international Puppy would have considerable appeal. When running from a live CD without (or ignoring) a save file could ask which language as well as which keyboard and then configure itself accordingly.

Excellent sentiment, Nick, however the 'team' that were doing the 41 language Puppy [major success IMHO] is presently solely represented by Irihapeti, I believe, so if anyone would like to help....

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=525

I think magerlab, Nathan F, & maybe muggins, have also 'input similar ideas'

not yet implemented

Aitch

technosaurus · #51 Post by **technosaurus** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 20:02

You can count me in for developing the start page - using the Puppy Web Desktop as the basis for the default home page - incorporating as much of the included documentation as possible. I will also try to utilize the included icons and desktop background to the greatest extent possible to reduce size - I may need to include a few extra icons depending on the theming we choose to go with.

alienjeff · #52 Post by **alienjeff** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 21:13

nic2109 wrote:Of course this will be followed by the question on whether you want a single (i.e. root) user set up or one with multiple users .........

Now there's a can of worms about to be cracked open. Since when has it been decided that multi-user support was to be a part of this/these new Puppy/Puppies?

Don't forget that Puppy already has a user account called "Spot."

ttuuxxx wrote:I'm working on 5.0 Slackware, but it will closely follow 4.1+
I can offer packages

"5.0 Slackware" is going to be based on what? 3.xx or 4.xx? And which kernel thereof? If 3.xx, will there be issues caused by kernel differences between the 3.xx and 4.xx series?

alienjeff · #53 Post by **alienjeff** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 21:29

Caneri wrote:Live Help will be open around the clock so all countries will be able to use it. <etc>

Dude: You know I love you like a brother ... so please don't take this as a personal attack. It's not.

I think the Live Help is a wonderful idea, however consider that a form of live help already exists with #puppylinux on IRC. Adding another form of live help at this time will stretch existing live help resources with a net-loss effect.

Might I suggest an alternative for the immediate future: polish up #puppylinux by providing 24/7 coverage by dedicated Puppy types. The vehicle (Freenode and the channel) and the comm devices (IRC clients in Puppy) already exist. The only thing missing is, ahem ... dedicated channel management and staffing.

For the uninformed, the channel founder, T260G (aka Cricket) seldom if ever visits #puppylinux. ChanOp orneryolphart (aka Gary, or Ahmratcheer) just returned after being MIA/AWOL for months(!). And Keo's (aka Dr`Keovorkian) attendance is spotty at best.

Of those three, top level ChanOps, not one uses Puppy Linux. Of the remaining lower level ChanOps, one died over a year ago, and the rest are MIA/AWOL.

Once #puppylinux is cleaned up, then and only then should other live help options be developed.

JMHO,

-aj

cthisbear · #54 Post by **cthisbear** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 21:51

Root.

" Now there's a can of worms about to be cracked open. "

If one thing that gets me going is Root.
Booting up some of the other Clem Kaddiddlehopper distros
with the ROOTED thing is infuriating.

Leave the bloody thing alone.
Works perfectly.
Easy for Windows refugees to enter the Puppy comfort zone.

You want root....make a Puplet.
Friggin Root.
One of the smartest decisions that Barry made when
he tossed it out.

I hope my views are not too obvious.

Chris.

Aitch · #55 Post by **Aitch** » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 22:04

I hope my views are not too obvious.

er, run that by me again, Chris

Aitch

Lobster · #56 Post by **Lobster** » Fri 17 Oct 2008, 01:15

s there any merit in establishing a scheme whereby releases with different intentions are numbered differently?

Thanks guys

Puppy 4.2 is called Puppy 4.2
It has the codename (for fun and logos 'Deep Thought')
The CE is dropped as it will be an official version based on 4.11 (Barry will release aprox 30 October)

If patches or improvements (LTS type) are added
we will have Puppy 4.1.1, 4.1.2 etc

Ttuuxx and Technosaurus are added to the team
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives ... ep-thought

puppyluvr · #57 Post by **puppyluvr** » Fri 17 Oct 2008, 02:03

Hello,
I would love to offer up what little help I might be...

Especially Graphics...Iconsets, Themes, Backdrops, ect...
I have some limited scripting ability, but not enough to stand in this crowd.

Maybe just eye candy, a JWM theme, or a small tweak/package or two..?
And of course as a tester...

alienjeff · #58 Post by **alienjeff** » Fri 17 Oct 2008, 02:20

@puppyluvr

You're immediately disqualified for overuse of emoticons. Try Ubuntu: they love that crap. You'll flourish there.

puppyluvr · #59 Post by **puppyluvr** » Fri 17 Oct 2008, 03:18

OMG, Banish me to ewwbutu

Pretty severe punishment, Id say...

"Me thinks the lad doth protest too much."

Well, OK then, but one more before I go:

Do you just hate smiley`s, or happiness in general???

WhoDo · #60 Post by **WhoDo** » Fri 17 Oct 2008, 05:32

ttuuxxx wrote:Don't forget to clue me into the list.
Sure I'm working on 5.0 Slackware, but it will closely follow 4.1+
I can offer packages and some graphics (Graphics take for ever to create, But I like doing it !! )

I've been meaning to reply to this for a while, but haven't had the online time to do so before now.

ttuuxxx I don't think we could do without your enthusiasm in the 4.2 team. Personally, I'm counting on you to help get those packages compiled and working flawlessly in the smallest possible size.

One of the (small) disappointments about 2.15CE for me was that I couldn't get it all in under 132Mb, even though it had a whole different focus to a normal release. I'd like to see 4.2 meet Barry's targets and stay well below 100Mb.

My vision for 4.2 is to come up with an official Dingo release at least as small, up-to-date, workable and bug free as one of Barry's own releases. That's not an easy task either, but I'm sure it will make Dougal happy, among others.

I don't see the 4.2 project as 2.15CE revisited, in terms of size, package content, wish lists and innovation. Rather I see it as a chance for us to show that we can continue what Barry started, because that is just so successful. After all, that's why we are all here, isn't it?

Cheers.

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