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Caneri · Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1565 Location: Canada

Yup..me too Trobin..but you see I'm not worried about the changes. I agree with Barry when he says Puppy will get better and better.

@ ALL,

There is one thing you should consider that seems to be missing in these threads.

If negative takes over positive then you can surely bet on the demise of any project.

I would like to say that to those that complain about John Murga's forum, or fret about Puppy, and if that BarryK will dump this and retire to some unknown world that I've never heard of, take another look and stop to think that your rants/complaints may entice John Murga and BarryK to make it come true and truly dump this forum and the distro...so relax and enjoy the process. I didn't see any obituary's here..you really have no choice in the matter nor do I..but it's still Puppy and will remain Puppy...sheesh.

Best,
Eric

EDIT: @Will,
You posted whist I was typing.
Long live anarchy...eventually it works into a direction that is usually a good one once the fluff is blown away.

Trobin · Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 872 Location: BC Canada

ttuuxxx · Posted: Sun 28 Sep 2008, 15:31 Post subject:

tronkel · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1047 Location: Vienna Austria

ttuuxxx wrote:

Béèm · Posted: Sun 28 Sep 2008, 16:53 Post subject:

I think there is no rush to go ahead too quickly.
Seeing the n° of issues raised in the Bug threads, there is plenty to work on to have finally an error free 4.1 before going to 4.2 or 5.0
A lot of the issues raised in the bug threads seem not to be addressed.

In fact I have raised several times in several bug threads issues on I had an answer of only one person.

One of the issues if for me a real show stopper. SeaMonkey isn't working correctly anymore concerning file download ans saving.

After all if feedback is asked, given and not addressed what faith will there be left in the program?

Just my 2 cents.

BTW this will not deter me to try to help others if I can with the knowledge I have.

bugman · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons

Brandon · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 111 Location: New York

Yes, anarchy could be good, everyone throws their best out and the best "runs" the show.

big_bass · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736

The most important safeguards are already in place
for open source

http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php

Trobin · Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 872 Location: BC Canada

What precisely does that mean?

big_bass · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736

Trobin · Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 872 Location: BC Canada

That did not come anywhere close to answering my question.

If I put Alpine into Speak Pup while another person suggests I use Mutt or Finch an I discriminating against thpose people?

big_bass · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736

Trobin · Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 872 Location: BC Canada

So if I follow the rules, give Barry credit for creating Puppy, make sure that my puplet is sufficiently differentiated from mainstream puppy then I am not discrtiminating against anyone if I use my choice of programs rather than theirs.

I wasn't asking about any legal concerns. I wanted clarification on the statement about discrimination.

panzerpuppy · Joined: 02 Oct 2007 Posts: 632

No,4.1 won't be the last official version. We will definitely see another (4.2) release by BarryK,with major updates [Xorg 4.2/XServer with the latest MESA (the most important upgrade ever),latest ALSA 1.0.18,a fixed version of XINE,a nightly build of Seamonkey 2.0 (much better than the current one),Flash 10,SANE,etc.]

After that,it's time for the community to work on Puppy 5.0,while Barry continues with his UniPup project.

Here's some stuff I'd like to see in Puppy 5.0:

* Kernel optimized for low-latency multimedia use (as in Ubuntu Studio)
* DVD-RAM and UDF support out of the box
* HD and beyond-HD resolution support for Xvesa and Xorg:
- 1792x1344, 1920x1440 and 2048x1536 (Standard Ratio)
- 1920x1080, 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 (Widescreen)
Even with the latest version,Puppy is still limited to 1600x1200 Sad

* Seamonkey being replaced with Opera (Opera > Seamonkey > Firefox)
* A CPU usage meter in the systray instead of that somewhat useless thread count indicator
* XnView MP ftp://ftp2.xnview.com/xnview/misc/XnViewMP-linux.tgz (a brand new Qt4 Linux version !) as an image viewer instead of Fotox
* The good old MUT mount interface with more options
* RP-PPPOE with the official GUI (which includes the meter),not Barry's stripped implementation.
* A good bandwidth/traffic meter (or even a patched XNetLoad) that works with PPP connections (XNetLoad doesn't detect any PPP connections in Puppy 4,works great in 2.xx)
* +1 for all those crappy calculators replaced with a single good one, i.e. Galculator.I prefer having one good app for each task,instead of several not-so-good ones.
* XArchive replaced by a much better archiver that's not awfully slow when scanning the archive (7-zip does this part instantly), can extract individual files without creating the source directories (the most annoying thing I ever saw in a file archiver), can open .7z (a must),.RAR,ACE (and .PET archives without renaming them to .tgz)
* XINE patched or replaced by a player that has OpenGL (multitextured) video output,so all users can have accelerated fullscreen video playback. Xv doesn't work on most cards and XShm is terribly slow.
* The latest version of Qt4 (as standard) in the ISO,including the OpenGL libs and qtconfig
* Include Firelog,the network monitoring / firewall utility
* Include the tiny sha1sum utility. Are there still people who use the deprecated md5sum?
* +1 for including the latest version of SDL in Puppy 5,it's a must have for those that are into gaming or emulation
* A mouse cursor with inverted colors (black outline with white fill,as in Ubuntu/Winblows)
* OpenGL support (including the glxinfo and glxgears utilities)
* Updated fonts
* Ability to uninstall/remove some of the built-in packages (PetBegone functionality integrated into the package manager)
* Installing or uninstalling packages in the package manager should be started by double-clicking the selected package (I like to select and view an item first before activating it,this is a major annoyance)
* and +1 for a more modern theme Smile

Puppy 5.0 needs to focus more on overall usability and package quality

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

Possible base systems
i386 Debian i386
i486 Slackware, Knoppix i486
i586 Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Suse i586
i686 Arch, Foresight i686

**T2 any architecture (Dingo is built with it)
*Simplux = Puppy + Gentoo

Using T2, Puppy can be automatically built for several architectures and Barry has kindly supplied his original scripts to build puppy from T2 on the ibiblio mirror. Highly customizable & 3100+ packages

Simplux - I haven't personally used it, but it sounds like a possible solution. Many architectures and ~20000 packages

Back to Slack - i486 architecture, 3.x compatibility, lots of packages, +Slax, Vector, Zenwalk, Wolvix, Nimblex....

Personally I prefer the T2 route since we could build 64 bit versions and easily create a 486sx version for the ebox and even a PPC, arm or any other port if we wanted. It is even supposed to support the minix, hurd and bsd kernels soon.