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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Aug 2008, 16:04    Post_subject:  

astrogreek wrote:
Dear SHS, my Buick looks way better than your Chevy...but I'm not going to post my own screenshot to tinypic.com so you can see...oh, and by the way, I'm using a Ford built by someone else, and it isn't quite satisfactory...can you tell me how to fix the Ford?

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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Aug 2008, 16:32    Post_subject:  

Upload a screen capture of your XP to tinypic, and post here the url, so I can see what I'm competing against...

***edited: I would especially like to see this page:

http://www.komonews.com/

whose webmaster seems fiendishly dedicated to continual refinement to make it ever more Vista-friendly and Linux-unfriendly...

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PM me the /etc/fonts/local.conf that Deniros' package puts on your computer. Maybe improvements can be made there.

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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Aug 2008, 16:35    Post_subject:  

I should also here note, that the unpatented (i.e. default) autohinting of the newest libfreetype, in Puppy 4.1-alpha-5, is better than previous versions, actually pretty good; it's getting close to the point where there isn't enough difference between with and without my tweaks, to make the game worth the candle.
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bobnutfield


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:24    Post_subject: Thank you for the beautiful fonts!  

Very Happy
Just followed your instructions, and wow, what a difference! Thank you. It makes the Puppy experience all the better!

Bob
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astrogreek

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 15:29    Post_subject:  

Sit Heel Speak wrote:
Upload a screen capture of your XP to tinypic, and post here the url, so I can see what I'm competing against...

***edited: I would especially like to see this page:

http://www.komonews.com/

whose webmaster seems fiendishly dedicated to continual refinement to make it ever more Vista-friendly and Linux-unfriendly...

***



PM me the /etc/fonts/local.conf that Deniros' package puts on your computer. Maybe improvements can be made there.

XP:http://i38.tinypic.com/11rb3f4.jpg
Puppy:http://i36.tinypic.com/2qwg208.jpg
Both from Opera 9.51.
I'll PM the file as soon as possible. Thanks! And again sorry about the slow response, I have been away.
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astrogreek

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Sep 2008, 04:08    Post_subject:  

Update: after doing a bit of searching and reading about Linux vs. Windows vs. Mac fonts, I realize that what fonts people like is highly subjective. I have seen example comparisons posted, where I find the Linux fonts horrible, while others have the opposite preference.
Ideally, I would like to be able to tune the font to my liking, like in Windows with the Cleartype tuning app.
In this image I prefer the "thinnest" font at the lower right:
http://i38.tinypic.com/9gx0ra.jpg

On the whole I like the fonts in Puppy very much, they are just a tad to heavy for me. But in Opera fonts look very bad. I tried a few tips to improve it, but that may have made things even worse.
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disciple

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Sep 2008, 16:47    Post_subject:  

IMO it is definitely best not to have any font smoothing for small fonts like you would use for normal on-screen display. The first thing I do when I have to use a Windows machine is hunt down all the different controls to turn off cleartype - in Windows, in Office, in IE. It's quite painful because they hide all the controls, and the ones in Office 2007 always seem to be in different places, but at least it lets my eyes stop screaming Smile
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astrogreek

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Sep 2008, 10:04    Post_subject:  

http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fontswh5.png

I think the non-cleartype is a bit too thin and blocky; the cleartype is just right; and my Puppy Opera fonts are waaaay too heavy.
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Josef

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb 2009, 11:46    Post_subject: Re: Where to obtain good TrueType fonts  

Sit Heel Speak wrote:


Finally, you must tell Puppy that the new subdir exists. Open an rxvt window and issue the commands (do not omit the dot at the end of the middle three commands):

cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
mkfontscale .
mkfontdir .
fc-cache -fv .
xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF

Now you have a very capable set of fonts.


I just copied my c:\windows\fonts folder into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF and followed your instructions above.
A few error messages came up, but however fonts look MUCH better now.

I must admit that your little tutorial was a bit intimidating since my linux knowledge is VERY low. I have bookmarked this thread to come back later when I have enough courage to follow the whole tut.

Thanks!

Josef

(I wonder why fonts in every linux distro I've tried look like shit)
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disciple

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PostPosted: Tue 26 May 2009, 02:38    Post_subject:  

FWIW Openoffice.org does use freetype... the problem is that it includes its own freetype (actually, 3.x may not... I can't remember; but it certainly did before). You can fix its font rendering by replacing its freetype with links to the system freetype.

I hope you get better soon SHS.

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Bosola

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Jul 2009, 08:48    Post_subject: .pet package  

Well, this is my first time posting, and I've only been using Puppy - or, indeed, any version of Linux - for a couple of days now.

Anyway, I'm using Boxpuppy, the Puplet that's integrated with OpenBox. Now, maybe I'm making some terribly newbish mistake here, but I've tried to use the .pet package, and initiating it simply causes my system to go dead. Just black and crash.

Can anyone help? Is this expected behaviour?
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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Jul 2009, 10:24    Post_subject: Re: .pet package  

Bosola wrote:
...I'm using Boxpuppy,...I've tried to use the .pet package, and initiating it simply causes my system to go dead. Just black and crash...Is this expected behaviour?
No, it is not expected behavior. You should just have to single-left-click on the PET package, it should take a minute or less to install, and there should be no problem.

There is more than one version of BoxPup and it is possible that the retro version with kernel 2.6.21.7 may not be compatible, my hunch is that the version of freetype in the PET package may be too new for that old of a kernel (and other libraries). If you will tell me which version of BoxPup you are using, I will download and install it and see what's going on.
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Bosola

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Jul 2009, 13:28    Post_subject:  

I'm using Boxpup 4.1.2. I downloaded the .iso from here only two days ago.
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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Jul 2009, 17:23    Post_subject:  

Bosola wrote:
I'm using Boxpup 4.1.2. I downloaded the .iso from here only two days ago.
Try the version I have just posted here
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trio


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PostPosted: Mon 10 Aug 2009, 04:00    Post_subject:  

Hi Sit Heel Speak,

I need help, maybe off topic, but it's about fonts.

I need to have a list of fonts' REAL NAMES not the name of the .ttf files. Can you tell me how to get this done?

say I save it as /tmp/fontslist.txt:
monofonto
ionic charge
pdingobats
Dejavu Sans

Thanks in advance

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