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#101 Post by Subito Piano »

Nice theme, i esp. like the menu button and min/max/close buttons. I like VLC, the only problem i have noticed is in Windows the resolution was inferior to WinMediaPlayer - it had lines in the screen on the only computer i tried it with.

As far as using the apps on an older machine, I am having some problems on a 500MHz Celeron Toshiba Desktop running 192MB RAM, running Dingo from CD. I first tried installing without a pup_save file (first run of Dingo on the pc) and it was just bizarre. So i rebooted, reserving a pup-save filesize of 128MB, and reinstalled all four pets. They wouldn't install from the jump drive i saved them to, so i had to move the files to a local directory, then they opened properly. I never was warned about not having enough space either time--??? Neither was i asked if i wished to delete the pet file, idk if this is still standard with Puppy. The menu is showing up whacked, not showing the separators and most of the apps -- but the menu file in ~/.icewm looks to be correct. Weird. Also, i don't have a DVD player in it, but i couldn't play a CD. I didn't try any mp3 files yet.

This is kinda preliminary -- i'm in the middle of a lot of repair work on my house so i'll hafta try again later with a fresh install of Puppy and a larger pup_save file, and making sure the GTK and SDL apps installed correctly. I'll post back when i can. There's a really good chance it's just some fluke in my computer/setup. I'll have to try it on my PIII and let you know as well...

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#102 Post by ttuuxxx »

Subito Piano wrote:Nice theme, i esp. like the menu button and min/max/close buttons. Yes Those buttons took me for ever to design. I spent days on them until I got them just right, It was a real learning process :wink: I was thinking about making newer ones for this release more church related, But that would take a lot more time and I might just do it for the next release. Basically 10 different images and around 100 layers of graphics.

I would personally copy the files from your memory stick to /root to install them. Most the time when I'm running live I can't install from my hard drive, I have to copy the files to root. Or root/mydocuments
for them to install correctly.

This is how I would install the applications in order
First on a clean hard drive I would partition a swap file around 512MB
then I would partition the rest as ext3
Install puppy and grub, then menu/reboot and make your pupsave file on exit
once puppy restarts I would install the 3 04 4 VLC packages, 4 if you want quicktime etc. (located in root)
then I would install the icewm package (located in root)
then click menu/restart X Server
straight away after a small pause you should have icewm up and going
Then I would reboot via the menu
I have been told by one other that it takes 2 reboots before icewm shows up again, thats a bit strange, but would like to have more test done.
actually there is a hidden file in root called /root/.xinitrc
if you open .xinitric as text, (right click on mouse, and select "Open as Text") you'll see the very last line
exec jwm
if you change that to
exec icewm-session
it should make it more permanent
hope that helps
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Ps I've been also working on "Building the 5th Bedroom" in my house for the 5yrs, LOL my wife hates looking at it :x , I just never have the time to finish it. :shock:
oh well :wink:
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#103 Post by Subito Piano »

Yeah - this is on my boy's Windoze unit so i'll be running from the CD and won't have a swap file. I wouldn't think i should need one, considering it's Dingo -- ????

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#104 Post by ttuuxxx »

I have a 500mhz pc that is in a Cocktail Mame cabinet, I might rip it apart and use the motherboard and build a test pc. But that uses the old fat round din keyboard plugs , And then I would have to map a newer keyboard for the controls and replacement motherboard for the mame system. hmmmm probably be better to buy a used 500mhz from ebay.
It all works excellent on newer pc's.
Maybe I could make test cd for you to try out.
thats a possibility
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#105 Post by ttuuxxx »

Subito Piano wrote:Yeah - this is on my boy's Windoze unit so i'll be running from the CD and won't have a swap file. I wouldn't think i should need one, considering it's Dingo -- ????
On Puppy 3 series I was using a 1 gig usb stick that I formated as a swap disk, that worked.
Just an idea
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#106 Post by Subito Piano »

Would you like an adapter or perhaps an old keyboard? We have lots of junk at school...

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#107 Post by ttuuxxx »

Thanks for the offer, But I Can Locate the older hardware at a pawn shop, the are great for buying outdated stuff, lastime I purchased a really old din keyboard and a serial mouse for $5. It was for the mame system. It does need upgrading anyways, I have an older 1.8ghz amd pc that I can use for it.
Thanks again for the offer but the last time I shipped a keyboard from the USA,it cost around $40 USD in shipping, the funny part was the Superman keyboard/mouse was only $30 to start with,lol
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#108 Post by brymway »

Here are my findings. Let me know if you need anything else or any other information.

gnome sword loaded a few different Bibles commentarys, dictionaries and books from the modules. Scanning thru the Bibles it works fine, can use the dictionary and strongs concordance. When I try a search, I type in a common biblical word, love, with the bible chosen, it finds the references. With Commentary chosen, when I click on "Find" or if I use enter, GnomeSword shuts off. It did it five times in a row.
The way it looks now I have the modules on the left, then next to that I have Romans 8:28 in the top section and below that I have a previewer. Then next to that I have a window up high with four directional arrows and a pull down box and below that a larger window with another pull down window. If I click anywhere on the left side of the screen I'm good, but if I click on the right side of the screen anywhere in those two windows with the pull down windows, GnomeSword shuts off.

Opensong works pretty good. I went to the opensong website and downloaded a song pack and unpacked it in /tmp. On opensong I clicked the settings and then install module. When I choose the folder with the songs in it and press ok, Opensong shuts down. So I restarted opensong, in the menu I clicked settings and install module and didn't choose any folder. When I pressed OK opensong shuts down. I repeated the previous sequence and clicked 'cancel' instead of ok and it didn't shut down. I was able to manually move all the songs in the downloaded package into the /root/opensong/song directory an they showed up and were perfectly usable.

VLC is pretty neat. Settings-switch interface-skins or wxwidgets both shut the application down. As there were no internet radio choices I was able to copy the url from somafm (my favorite) and paste it in the url window under file-open stream and listen to the music. Then I put in "A Series of Unfortunate Events". It didn't load automatically even after I mounted hdc. But I was able to open file-open disc, click on the disc tab and type in /mnt/hdc in the device name window and the movie played beautifully. I could change the size of the screen on the fly with no hesitations. I could change subtitles while it was running. I'm using Xorg. Sound was great. I was listening thru headphones, just had to turn it up a little with sGmixer. So I can watch dvds and listen to streaming radio.

What's next?

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#109 Post by ttuuxxx »

brymway wrote:Here are my findings. Let me know if you need anything else or any other information.

gnome sword loaded a few different Bibles commentarys, dictionaries and books from the modules. Scanning thru the Bibles it works fine, can use the dictionary and strongs concordance. When I try a search, I type in a common biblical word, love, with the bible chosen, it finds the references. With Commentary chosen, when I click on "Find" or if I use enter, GnomeSword shuts off. It did it five times in a row.
The way it looks now I have the modules on the left, then next to that I have Romans 8:28 in the top section and below that I have a previewer. Then next to that I have a window up high with four directional arrows and a pull down box and below that a larger window with another pull down window. If I click anywhere on the left side of the screen I'm good, but if I click on the right side of the screen anywhere in those two windows with the pull down windows, GnomeSword shuts off.

Opensong works pretty good. I went to the opensong website and downloaded a song pack and unpacked it in /tmp. On opensong I clicked the settings and then install module. When I choose the folder with the songs in it and press ok, Opensong shuts down. So I restarted opensong, in the menu I clicked settings and install module and didn't choose any folder. When I pressed OK opensong shuts down. I repeated the previous sequence and clicked 'cancel' instead of ok and it didn't shut down. I was able to manually move all the songs in the downloaded package into the /root/opensong/song directory an they showed up and were perfectly usable.

VLC is pretty neat. Settings-switch interface-skins or wxwidgets both shut the application down. As there were no internet radio choices I was able to copy the url from somafm (my favorite) and paste it in the url window under file-open stream and listen to the music. Then I put in "A Series of Unfortunate Events". It didn't load automatically even after I mounted hdc. But I was able to open file-open disc, click on the disc tab and type in /mnt/hdc in the device name window and the movie played beautifully. I could change the size of the screen on the fly with no hesitations. I could change subtitles while it was running. I'm using Xorg. Sound was great. I was listening thru headphones, just had to turn it up a little with sGmixer. So I can watch dvds and listen to streaming radio.

What's next?
Hi the reason why vlc shutdown is because you have to first place a skin in /usr/share/vlc/skins2/ then you click the wxwidgets, What its doing without a skin is trying switch to another one, but none are present. So it has nothing to switch to and closes.
I figured that out the other when I was trying some skins for it :)
Then I figured it would push the size over 10 MB so i decided not to include extra skins, I guess its compatible with xmms, winamp skins also but I only tried the 15 or so at the VLC website.
They all worked :)

I'll have to test the faults in open Song and GnomeSword, did you like Open Song? is it worth keeping, I'm not all that musically inclined. So I didn't test it much. Thanks for your report. I'll do my best to work out the issues. :)
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#110 Post by brymway »

Surprisingly I loved OpenSong and GnomeSword. VLC works fine for me but I don't know why it's better that gxine so I'll just use whatever is on there. I would most definitely use OpenSong because I'm a guitarist and sometimes I play in church so that would be a tremendous help, you wouldn't believe how many times I've had to sit down, writing the words to songs and figuring out chords and placement. This is nice. I've always wanted a computerized version of some of the study books I have and GnomeSword seems to be pretty trick. I imagine there will be more versions of things available but until then it seems pretty useful. The other guys may know a bit more about other software packages but I would use this one.

I really like what you've done with it. The theme is really nice, I can tell you've put a lot of hours into it.

Please let me know what else I can do. I keep checking back. I look forward to the final.

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#111 Post by ttuuxxx »

brymway wrote:Surprisingly I loved OpenSong and GnomeSword. VLC works fine for me but I don't know why it's better that gxine so I'll just use whatever is on there. I would most definitely use OpenSong because I'm a guitarist and sometimes I play in church so that would be a tremendous help, you wouldn't believe how many times I've had to sit down, writing the words to songs and figuring out chords and placement. This is nice. I've always wanted a computerized version of some of the study books I have and GnomeSword seems to be pretty trick. I imagine there will be more versions of things available but until then it seems pretty useful. The other guys may know a bit more about other software packages but I would use this one.

I really like what you've done with it. The theme is really nice, I can tell you've put a lot of hours into it.

Please let me know what else I can do. I keep checking back. I look forward to the final.
I have other software ready but first I wanted to test and fix a bit at a time, so I know whats effecting what and also so I don't get overwhelmed. Thats great that you like it :)
VLC is better for video streams like "ttuuxxx TV". VLC default display is a bit bigger for streams, plus it plays clear and less cpu resources, I was watching a Canadian News stream today with it and my memory was at 4% and the cpu usage was at 2% and I was playing fullscreen. Incredible. Plus fullscreen works and also you can change the aspect radio of the dvd while its playing, I find if you compare VLC Vs Gxine you'll notice less resources and better control of things.

I'm amazed thats its 2x+ the size and does wonders, well worth the extra size. Plus an easier way to play dvd's with it, mount your dvd and drag the video folder straight on VLC, It will start playing :) drag and drop works great on it :)

thanks once again
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#112 Post by brymway »

Interesting to know about VLC, I'll start playing with it. Does that mean you'll make a pet package for it so it can be used on other derivatives?

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#113 Post by Subito Piano »

Hear, hear! I agree about OpenSong. I've used a full music scoring program to enter lyrics, chords, and notes but this little program covers most church's needs for praise choruses and even hymns and you don't need to know notation to use it. An added plus is that it's extremely simple to learn and use. It's nice that you can virtually cut and paste the tab sheets from the internet, add the periods, and transpose -- very handy when some song is too high or you are working with horns and need a better key for them.

Concerning VLC: i've had problems with codecs before when i tried to play a movie in Windows Media Player; VLC came to my rescue and handled everything just fine. Perhaps it's the ONLY player necessary, and it's lighter than gxine. So - does gxine have issues playing commercial movies? or does it come with all the necessary codecs? If it doesn't, then please DO leave in VLC if for no other reason than it WORKS. Mind you, i like it anyway, so again i second Brymway.

On an unrelated issue, do you know why SkipStone isn't used more often in Puppies? It's lightweight like Dillo but works as well as Firefox (no extensions though)...

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#114 Post by ttuuxxx »

Subito Piano wrote:Hear, hear! I agree about OpenSong. I've used a full music scoring program to enter lyrics, chords, and notes but this little program covers most church's needs for praise choruses and even hymns and you don't need to know notation to use it. An added plus is that it's extremely simple to learn and use. It's nice that you can virtually cut and paste the tab sheets from the internet, add the periods, and transpose -- very handy when some song is too high or you are working with horns and need a better key for them.

Concerning VLC: i've had problems with codecs before when i tried to play a movie in Windows Media Player; VLC came to my rescue and handled everything just fine. Perhaps it's the ONLY player necessary, and it's lighter than gxine. So - does gxine have issues playing commercial movies? or does it come with all the necessary codecs? If it doesn't, then please DO leave in VLC if for no other reason than it WORKS. Mind you, i like it anyway, so again i second Brymway.

On an unrelated issue, do you know why SkipStone isn't used more often in Puppies? It's lightweight like Dillo but works as well as Firefox (no extensions though)...
The problem with Skipstone is that it uses Mozilla headers, And at this point we only have it compiled against Seamonkey, Others have tried to compile it against "Firefox" and haven't been successful. You need to have Seamonkey installed basically on the pc where skipstone resides for it to work, It uses about 50% of Seamonkey, Once I did a test and delete around 50% of Seamonkey with trial and error, and it worked but when I deleted about 60% skipstone started acting realllllly slow.
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#115 Post by Subito Piano »

Hmm - GnomeSword crashes every time i try to open study pad. Don't know why (this is my bigger machine so it's not for lack of processor power or memory).

Also -- Sylpheed delivers mail weird -- like, there's a delay, but not in T-Bird which i loaded. This may be a probelm with Dingo, not LW, and idk if you are going to use it or T-Bird.

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#116 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hey Guys

I'm back on living water again, I had a look at my kdebase 43MB plus 8MB Bibletime and figured well that just won't do. 51MB is very big, so I started over on the base so far I have it working already and its 17MB plus 8MB Bibletime :)
Thats a 23MB saving :) Bibletime loaded but had a few minor issues, But I had the same issues before and fixed them once, So it should only be another couple of hours and a couple of MB.
Thanks for all your input on the first alpha. :)
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#117 Post by Subito Piano »

good to have you back on board, Skipper!

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#118 Post by ttuuxxx »

Well I have Bibletime running well, and its still 20MB smaller than the previous version:
Also I have KWord working Its 6.5MB and the dictionary doesn't work yet, Plus it still needs a few libs, But it works. :) I might drop abiword and use it , If I can keep it under 10MB :)
I'll keep you all informed :wink:
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#119 Post by LaneLester »

I'd love to see DansGuardian in a Puppy Linux. I'm just starting to build a computer lab at a small Christian school with little money, and I was planning to go with Ubuntu CE, which includes DansGuardian with a special GUI interface. But all of the first three old clunker towers that I tried it on wouldn't install it, and the developer of that flavor confirmed it was not for older equipment.

Since I successfully installed Puppy on my old laptop that wouldn't accept Ubuntu, I'm hoping Puppy will be the solution for our computer lab. I'm going to try installing it tomorrow.

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#120 Post by Subito Piano »

Hi! I struggled with this for years!! Finally, i found OpenDNS -- which is FREE and works great. I set it up through our cable modem in about a half-hour as per their (easy) instructions and now ANY computer brought into our school is content-filtered. (It can also be configured on each individual unit seperately instead, if necessary.) By the way, it is totally customizable.

Alternatively, use Firefox with the ProCon Latte extension and either hide or strip out Dillo, but you'll have to install it on each computer individually.

Also -- i put together a website after doing a workshop on building a "Computer Lab on a Shoestring Budget" - it's found at http://www.shoestringpc.com. The site is dedicated to free/low-cost solutions for building a computer lab (boy did we struggle!) and includes both Windoze and Linux info; there's even a page regarding content filtering!

Blessings!

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