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Shell shock

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Aug 2008, 23:36    Post subject:  Wine vs Win85 app
Subject description: Scrunched txt in ide
 

Usually use wine 1.1.12 for a Win 1.4 apple emulator program that works flawlessly in it.


Got an 8085 emulator that was free to use and freely available on net.

Win 85 v0.99a


Couldn't find a good linux one that would work easily with the Puppy.


So I tried running this with wine, and although it runs, when you hit new or load a demo the text in each of it's frames appears (all scrunched up)like one line riding anothers. So is unusable that way.


I transferred a copy to windows and rebooted into windows, there it worked perfectly.


Usually in puppy use the smaller xvesa, so thought would go back to puppy and reset to XOrg. No help still same as before, resetting resolution didn't do it either.


I can go to windows to use, but seems should be able to run this type of progam in Puppy with wine, more convienent.

Like to avoid using windows since discovered Puppy,


Any good ideas?


Thanks

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Aug 2008, 04:12    Post subject: Wine and win85
Subject description: Link Win85 8085 processor emulator
 

This is the link for the win 8085 emulator as someone else may want sometime.

http://pythagoras.physics.upatras.gr/~gmanol/license.htm

So far just works perfectly in windows but not with Wine as far as viewable text in the emulators frames.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Aug 2008, 18:15    Post subject: Solution
Subject description: Wine vs Win85 fix
 

Solved found a better program.


8085 microprocessor software stuff


Called a simulator, as is the other but by link improperly called it an emulator.


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This one works great in Wine, a nice learning tool and is also FREE.


Once you load in one of it's demo's pgm's, or code a routine, etc yourself, besides the debug, under options you can Run it if desired,


You can read about, and also download it from here if interested.


http://www.homesoft.gen.tr/products/Sim8085.html



If you find a good free one for 8086 let me know, thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Aug 2008, 19:16    Post subject: 8085 simulator
Subject description: Read materials
 

A link.


http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/heath/index.htm


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Real old stuff site but has *pdf's for the 8085*, under or at bottom of page on the H8 HeathKit area you might want to look at.


A good emulator has pretty much a full real time, real world interface ability, so why I referred to Win85 as being more of a simulator than emulator.

That second one works great with wine 1.1.12 there were no config settings reqd at all for those, so with some doc's very good for interested's learning.


Enjoy

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Aug 2008, 15:18    Post subject:  

Hey, are you still programming the 8085 in assembler?

I've done so professionally for several years, in the early eighties of last century. For execution on *real* 8085 hardware (no simulation), of course. Processor clock speed 3.072 MHz, adressing range 64 KB... times have changed Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2008, 13:16    Post subject:  8085
Subject description: HW
 

Hi Erickson:

That's great man, like the last century quote LOL accurate, good to hear your into it..


Yeah I programmed it in hardware back then too, initially learned from an 8085 trainer kit. Used HMOS Static rams, etc.

The real hard core initially entered your programs ***using switches***. You weren't likely to forget a routine after all that work Smile.


From there entered the 8088 world and back then having a copy of Li Chen Wang's tiny basic (Lost it damn it), translated it to both apple and pc machines it was a Blast.

Did write a manual on a private dtmf phone sys once for Pac Bell, etc.

Afterwards I dropped out of everything for years.

Sooo guess what? You know it, I'm going back in time, to reinvent the wheel and expand, extend myself into assembly again.

To do that, ordered a boat load of parts on the EZ 8085 to put together my basic learning unit and **crawl back up the ladder**. Tho a lot is amazingly coming back to me as I review things.


Here's a lady really into it, nice hardware projects site:

http://www.izabella.freeuk.com/html/8085_project_page.html


Appreciated your comments, and help prior.

Have a good one.

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 09:37    Post subject: Re: 8085
Subject description: HW
 

Shell shock wrote:
Here's a lady really into it, nice hardware projects site:
http://www.izabella.freeuk.com/html/8085_project_page.html

Ah, some ladies make me feel young again Wink

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The real hard core initially entered your programs ***using switches***.

Actually that's what I did in my student time. I could not afford an EPROM programmer (in those days EPROMs, like e.g. the 2708, required several supply voltages plus very strictly controlled waveforms), so I toggled my 600-byte hand-assembled monitor program into battery-powered CMOS RAM (six 256x4bit chips).

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You weren't likely to forget a routine after all that work Smile

You were darn likely to learn how to write bug-free code!

And then I found an employer with Intel development systems (MDS-80 plus ISIS software), with plenty of spare parts, and with a willingness to even PAY me Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 14:35    Post subject:  8085 projects
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Yeah the right lady can make you feel young Smile

So you used 256bit chips, etc. Kit had 6116's 2K type but pin for pin you could put in a 16K one.

That's real neat on the employment deal, nice.


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How far did you take it up too, and did you add UART's, DAC's, or other to it?


Found the Orig Kit, still avail even these days. Uses the 3Mhz A version.

Found another place can order all individual parts from, had a 5Mhz besides the 3Mhz CPU.


The kit will save me some work as far as layout, chose non assembled as orig did, so can wire it up myself.

Has one expansion socket on it plus couple external world connectors.

There's enuff room under it to add perf or vectorboard expansions as well.

So will add a Controller, plus UART and DAC modules there. Found a reasonably priced LCD 4 line graphics mode display that can pretty it up some.

When arrives will be busy a good while.


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 15:27    Post subject:  

I'm not familiar with commercial kits because we designed our own circuitry depending on system requirements.

Our equipment included point-of-sales terminals, statistical multiplexers, access control terminals etcetera.

Most of our designs included several EPROM and RAM chips, and various combinations with 8251 USART, 8253 timer/counter, 8255 parallel I/O, 8259 interrupt controller, 8273/8274 HDLC chips, and special-purpose LSI chips (display controllers, printer controllers, floppy controllers etc).

Good luck with your experiments!

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 16:08    Post subject:  8085 projects
Subject description: Design
 

All that's good, so you would be very current, and extremely versed on all that in use. Must use the UARTS in the terminal com part.


On Design: The expansion adds I make, would be just that.


The only other of years back I was involved with was a PBX , private telephone exchange using an 8048 or 8049 micrcontroller I think, memory a little vague there.

Had to go through all the code on it, and write up it's specs plus two manuals an operators and a troubleshooting manual, and give their tech group one class, before Pac Bell would buy it.

So what I initially learned from the kit back then, later served me, and others quite well.

Some will be experiements literally as found some elec components char eval type setups written by some professors up here.


Appreciate it, and will enjoy the experiements Smile


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 19:57    Post subject:  

hi guys

is this any use?

http://www.ddj.com/web-development/184406381;jsessionid=WVWOQYUSEFUQIQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?_requestid=341

http://www.powerset.com/explore/go/Li%252DChen-Wang

cor, takes me back; trs80 & peter norton & his disk dissassembler

Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 21:25    Post subject:  Tiny 8080 basic
Subject description: LCW TB
 

Thanks Aitech:

Those are sort of go around's it, they don't even list the May 76 Dr Dob's journal in full, just refer to on the net, and Dob's net site doesn't go back that far.

Since it was totally free, anyone could update and modify they probably keep it hid.


Did pick up a tar.gz file that was said to be it, will find out when get to it.


Also I may still have the apple version I typed up years back, or an apple 8080 simulator with copy of it buried someplace.

On latter there's another apple emulator I'd have to install on this pc, that reads wav files, As could from machine apple save to tape, and then make a wav file of it on pc, then use the emulator for rest. <- A lot of work there.


Gotcha on Peter Norton for sure, still have his quite old "Assembly Language Book for the (ahem) New IBM PC Smile


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2008, 22:05    Post subject: 8085 basics
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Only used the Model III a little in past on TRS stuff in past.


http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic/

@CopyLeft All Wrongs Reserved Li Chen Wang's tiny basic is there:

The source and doc all in one Tar.Z file, just opened it, and that's it.

Have a good one.

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